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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

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Poor Liberals... so fucking brainwashed! You don't like Columbus, then go back to where your forefathers came from!

Doesn't the NBA discriminate against short people? Time to ban the NBA as well as Popovich since he's a tall SOB...
 
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Poor Liberals... so fucking brainwashed! You don't like Columbus, then go back to where your forefathers came from!

FACT: Columbus didn't discover America. He was looking for a passage to the riches of the East when he found another resource: slaves. He captured slaves as soon as he landed and history records that sent more slaves across the Atlantic Ocean than any individual of his time.

Call him what he was, a well-financed explorer (and slave trader). Whether or not you are liberal or conservative, knowing the real historical record, how can one morally celebrate opening the continent to slavery? :facepalm:
 
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Christopher Columbus... one of the GREAT explorers and navigators the world has ever known....

The Invention of Christopher Columbus, American Hero

Veneration of Columbus in the U.S. dates back to colonial times. The use of Columbus as a founding figure of New World nations spread rapidly after the American Revolution. This was out of a desire to develop a national history and founding myth with fewer ties to Britain. Prior to the late 18th century, he was a historical footnote with no connection to the 13 colonies.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-invention-of-christopher-columbus-american-hero/


What I think about Liberals views about Columbus...

Read some truth... Bartolomé de Las Casas´s accounts of the events preceding Columbus´s first voyage and those that occurred during his second and fourth voyages.

Bartolomé de Las Casas is certainly the most controversial figure in the long and troubled history of Spain's overseas empire. The fierce 'defender and apostle to the Indians', as he become known, Las Casas dedicated most of his adult life to describing the atrocities which the Spaniards had perpetrated against the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas. He was also, however, the man who perhaps did most to chronicle the life of the 'discoverer' of America, Christopher Columbus. For Las Casas, Columbus was the key figure in Las Casas's own prolonged conception of the Spanish presence in America and his interpretation of what had taken place there since 1492.

Las Casas on Columbus
Background and the Second and Fourth Voyages



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From a 1992 article Those who condemn Columbus ignore history's complexity [Chicago Tribune], older than some forum members here, but attempts at rewriting history are old as history itself..

Poor Christopher Columbus.

He's a dead, white, European male, politically incorrect on a score of counts and charged with a litany of sins ranging from genocide, racism and slavery to environmental destruction, plundering, pandemics of disease and general decadence.

History can't even get his name right. It was probably closer to Cristobal Colon.
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The world Columbus opened up was not a pre-apple Eden peopled by noble innocents living in ecological harmony with the unscarred land and with each other, as some revisionists suggest. The hemisphere held many vastly differing civilizations and cultures, a few of them comparable in sophistication, splendor and art to European cities of the time.

But they included some of the bloodiest, cruelest civilizations ever known to exist, where genocide, cannibalism, torture and human sacrifice were common, where priests would cut the beating hearts out of thousands of living victims in a single day, where maidens were drowned as sacrifices and losing teams in basketball-like games were beheaded.

It's interesting to fantasize what might have happened had the Aztecs or the Mayans beat Columbus across the Atlantic and tried to impose their culture on Europe-or Africa.
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The clash of civilizations would have happened sooner or later anyway. At least the way it happened stopped human sacrifice and other atrocities that were customary with locals at the time in a short timespan of maybe a hundred years or two.
 

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From a 1992 article Those who condemn Columbus ignore history's complexity [Chicago Tribune], older than some forum members here, but attempts at rewriting history are old as history itself...

It was Washington Irving (Legend of Sleepy Hollow fame) who rewrote the American myth about Columbus. Glossed over, it was an easy pill for early American gradeschool kids to swallow.

Washington Irving’s Columbus and the Flat Earth
The clash of civilizations would have happened sooner or later anyway. At least the way it happened stopped human sacrifice and other atrocities that were customary with locals at the time in a short timespan of maybe a hundred years or two.

The clash of civilizations would have happened, but looking back with rose coloured glasses does not paint the true historical account of the inhabitants forced conversion into Christianity and slavery, a practice that continued in the Americas for the next 350 years following Columbus' arrival.

Cortez a Conquistadore (not an explorer but a treasure hunter), was not kind to the Aztecs either. The disease he and his men brought, allied with rebels that overthrew Motecuhzoma, led to the fall of the the largest empire in North and Central America... not in a hundred, but 3 years!!

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/916/cortes--the-fall-of-the-aztec-empire/
 
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Has USA become an oligarchy? :xf.confused:

Oligarchy is a form of power structure in which power rests with a small number of people. These people may or may not be distinguished by one or several characteristics, such as nobility, fame, wealth, education, or corporate, religious, political, or military control.


Top 1% of U.S. Earners Now Hold More Wealth Than All of the Middle Class


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rs-hold-more-wealth-than-the-u-s-middle-class
 
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Quoting a grifter and a hollwood liberal talking about Donald Trump. I thought you were getting better. Do we need to find you a Trump Hatters Anonymous meeting?

I wouldn't wear a Trump hat :xf.laugh::ROFL::xf.laugh: J/K, I habour no hate for the man. Did you know him before he was prez?

On the other hand, today we're celebrating Thanksgiving Day in Canada. Native people treat every day as if it were Thanksgiving Day, but Columbus Day has a special significance.

@Domainace, notice in Trump world, language like sinister, radical activist and extremist etc. - sounds totally fascist to me. :vomit:

Here is a segment of the transcript from the former US presidential proclamation on Columbus Day (2020):

Sadly, in recent years, radical activists have sought to undermine Christopher Columbus’s legacy. These extremists seek to replace discussion of his vast contributions with talk of failings, his discoveries with atrocities, and his achievements with transgressions. Rather than learn from our history, this radical ideology and its adherents seek to revise it, deprive it of any splendor, and mark it as inherently sinister. They seek to squash any dissent from their orthodoxy. We must not give in to these tactics or consent to such a bleak view of our history. We must teach future generations about our storied heritage, starting with the protection of monuments to our intrepid heroes like Columbus. This June, I signed an Executive Order to ensure that any person or group destroying or vandalizing a Federal monument, memorial, or statue is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
In contrast, this from the White House (2021):

Today, we also acknowledge the painful history of wrongs and atrocities that many European explorers inflicted on Tribal Nations and Indigenous communities. It is a measure of our greatness as a Nation that we do not seek to bury these shameful episodes of our past — that we face them honestly, we bring them to the light, and we do all we can to address them. For Native Americans, western exploration ushered in a wave of devastation: violence perpetrated against Native communities, displacement and theft of Tribal homelands, the introduction and spread of disease, and more. On this day, we recognize this painful past and recommit ourselves to investing in Native communities, upholding our solemn and sacred commitments to Tribal sovereignty, and pursuing a brighter future centered on dignity, respect, justice, and opportunity for all people.
Happy Thanksgiving!

Cannuck :xf.grin:
 
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I wouldn't wear a Trump hat :xf.laugh::ROFL::xf.laugh: J/K, I habour no hate for the man. Did you know him before he was prez?
Only like I know any famous person, by reputation.
Happy Thanksgiving!

Cannuck :xf.grin:

Thank-you, same to you and your family.
 
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Due to bad weather SWA pilots have resorted to covering their planes with flags to protect them from the elements. -- MSM

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Southwest Airlines Offering Free Flights To All Passengers Who Are Vaccinated And Can Fly A Plane

DALLAS, TX—A spokesperson for Southwest Airlines has announced delays in flights due to strange weather that seems to pass over competitors’ planes, only affecting their own signature blue and orange aircraft. The airline has stated these delays have no connection to their pilots protesting vaccine mandates.

The spokesperson then announced a new Southwest Airlines incentive program for potential passengers: All flights, domestic or international, are free to any passenger who is vaccinated and can also fly a plane.

“The requirements to take advantage of these incredible savings are simple,” said Southwest CEO Bob Southwest to a crowd of customers who have been stuck at the airport all weekend and were frothing at the mouth in anger. “Show us proof of vaccination against COVID-19 and promise us you know how fly commercial airliners, and your flight is on us.”

The CEO then mentioned other skills that were not required, but beneficial: Experience calming herds of rabid, sleepless passengers, expertise in flying through mysterious, invisible weather events, and the ability to land the plane.

https://babylonbee.com/news/southwe...engers-who-are-vaccinated-and-can-fly-a-plane
 
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What went wrong with democracy?

Guys like this historian, for one. He is obviously intelligent, and has obviously given deep thought to the situation, and yet he remains completely blind to the crimes of people who call themselves reporters but are shills for oppressive and corrupt elites. He speaks of media today manipulating emotions, and his own emotions are part of that. The interviewer speaks of the WAPO and NY Times as having good reputations when they have been exposed regularly as not only being wrong, but as intentionally lying, misleading and covering up. He speaks of Trump calling them the enemy of the people (and throws in the obligatory Hitler reference) as though that's the same as Belarus hijacking a plane to arrest and probably kill a journalist. (A real journalist, incidentally, with a blog. Not an overpaid hack working for the WAPO.) He ignores the journalists who have been imprisoned by the USA, not under Trump but under Obama. (Though Trump did nothing to rectify that in the end.)

It's a shame to see otherwise intelligent people fall into delusion like this. But that's the nature of a mental illness epidemic.

Has USA become an oligarchy?

Of course it has. And the dream president of the oligarchs was just elected. How does that help?

Today, we also acknowledge the painful history of wrongs and atrocities that many European explorers inflicted on Tribal Nations and Indigenous communities. It is a measure of our greatness as a Nation that we do not seek to bury these shameful episodes of our past — that we face them honestly, we bring them to the light, and we do all we can to address them.

Not crazy about historical debates when we have so many very real problems facing the world today. Columbus, like 99% of the great leaders we remember in history books, was not a nice man. The world was brutish, and "great leaders" were generally exceptionally brutish. This is the way it was.

We can "face this honestly," but that's never the intent of such speeches as this. The intent is to create tribes and divided loyalties that can be exploited. Yugoslavia saw an ugly war because leaders used historical grievances to excite the lowest emotions. China and Korea both engage in the similar use of historical victimhood. It's not out of the question that they might carpet bomb Japan with nuclear weapons because of this. Tell me how this is helpful?

An honest understanding of history is important. But not an obsession with it. We move on. The issues in front of us are existential. The ones behind us only serve politicians and other psychopaths who hope to sow division and hatred.


@Domainace, notice in Trump world, language like sinister, radical activist and extremist etc. - sounds totally fascist to me. :vomit:

Thank you for expressing your emotions. What do you suggest Trump folks should call extremists?
 
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Not crazy about historical debates when we have so many very real problems facing the world today. Columbus, like 99% of the great leaders we remember in history books, was not a nice man. The world was brutish, and "great leaders" were generally exceptionally brutish. This is the way it was.

We can "face this honestly," but that's never the intent of such speeches as this. The intent is to create tribes and divided loyalties that can be exploited. Yugoslavia saw an ugly war because leaders used historical grievances to excite the lowest emotions. China and Korea both engage in the similar use of historical victimhood. It's not out of the question that they might carpet bomb Japan with nuclear weapons because of this. Tell me how this is helpful?

An honest understanding of history is important. But not an obsession with it. We move on. The issues in front of us are existential. The ones behind us only serve politicians and other psychopaths who hope to sow division and hatred.

What is with the obesssion of preserving symbols of the past that represent despotism? When do they become irrelevant?

While this speech plays mostly lip-service to the present, at least there is an acknowledgement of a real past vs some hero myth. When do we draw the line between respecting the beliefs of others and calling it BS? Having an honest understanding of the historical record will help all move forward in this post-truth world.

What do you suggest Trump folks should call extremists?

Ummm, "good people"? :xf.laugh::ROFL::xf.laugh:
 
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China and Korea both engage in the similar use of historical victimhood. It's not out of the question that they might carpet bomb Japan with nuclear weapons because of this. Tell me how this is helpful?

I suppose the same could be said of Isreal-Gaza scenario. Just follow the money...

President Proposes $1.9 Billion FY 2021 Budget Request for the Bureau of Indian Affairs

Of course most of the money ends up in beaurocratic red tape...

https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/fy2020-budget-justification-ost.pdf

Meanwhile,

 
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What is with the obesssion of preserving symbols of the past that represent despotism? When do they become irrelevant?

All cultures and nation-states use myths to some degree. Without agreement on a common myth, a society will dissolve. They may change over time, but not overnight.

When do we draw the line between respecting the beliefs of others and calling it BS?

You don't just tell people that a myth they grew up with is not only wrong, but that believing in it makes them evil - unless your goal is to divide and destroy. This is common sense. Again, change in culture in not only normal, but necessary if it is to survive. But trying to force change overnight is simply destructive. It can only be excused in extreme cases, such as Nazi Germany or the racist policies of the South in the 1950s. Despite the efforts to compare, say transgender rights to transcend established gender guidelines in sports, to those situations, they have little in common. And in the case of segregation, the civil rights movement was eventually taken over by power seekers who have done much harm to the community and are even setting civil rights back. Like the speech above. It's not the message, but the intent behind the message that needs to be questioned.

Ummm, "good people"?

A good example of what I was talking about. A complete fabrication created by so-called reporters and journalists employed by billionaires. Yet repeated to this day. They create these lies on a daily basis almost. These are not people who need protecting. They are scum. Real journalists need protecting - corporate propagandists are vile. And here you are, a thoughtful guy, repeating their lies even though the truth is out there for those who care about it.
 
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