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The USA Political Thread

Located in The Break Room, started by lennco, Jul 20, 2012

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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

  1. Both Parties

    229 votes
    45.3%
  2. Neither Party

    47 votes
    9.3%
  3. Democrats

    102 votes
    20.2%
  4. Republicans

    128 votes
    25.3%
Total: 506 vote(s)
  1. bmugford

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    If you are making the argument for the US to join every other country in the modern world, and offer some baseline form of affordable, guaranteed healthcare, I am on board.

    Desperate people should not have to worry about this shit when they are sick. They should not have to beg on GoFund me to cover medical bills.

    Medical bills should not force people to lose everything they worked a lifetime for.

    Brad
     
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    I have said multiple times in the past I don't support forced vaccinations.

    Now the government or private companies can require it to do certain things - like fly to another country, attend schools, etc. That however is not forced. You still have the option to not take a vaccine. No one is holding someone down or sending them to jail for not taking a vaccine.

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    How is that a fallacy. People don't have a right to their opinions? And how does claiming that right discredit opposition?

    Or are you arguing that people don't have the right to hold wrong opinions? That seems to be a trend in the west these days. Not an encouraging one.
     
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    Sending someone to jail is not the only way to force them to do things. Depriving them of the ability to visit their family, get an education or make a living is enough for most. This has been the practice in many authoritarian countries to reign in those that aren't fully on board - and it is, essentially, a kind of force.
     
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    Fallacy Fallacy.
     
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  8. bmugford

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    Fair enough, but the freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom from inconveniences. It is not unreasonable to have public health standards via federal, state, or local governments or private companies.

    I think it is pretty hard to make any reasonable case that vaccines have not done far more good for the world than bad. However, if you want to pass on a vaccine that is fine. No one is actually forcing you to take it.

    Brad
     
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  9. Cannuck

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    Stating one has a particular entitlement to opinions is irrelevant. The notion of the right to an opinion side-steps natural discourse for justification, or argument against the validity of the assertion. The idea of a "right to opinion" entitlement may simply be an excuse for ignorance, insertion of propaganda, or simply refusing the system of logic - regardless of whether or not they are right or wrong.

    "The Fascist and Syndicalist species were characterized by a type of man who did not care to give reasons or even to be right, but who was simply resolved to impose his opinions - the right not to be right, not to be reasonable - the reason of unreason." - Revolt of the Masses, José Ortega y Gasset
     
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    Allowing, even amplifying the voice of unchallenged unreason is a sign that history is repeating itself. :oops:
     
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    And forbidding free speech certainly sidesteps natural discourse for justification. You can't have the discourse needed to arrive at the truth while you are silencing some of the voices. You are worried about one person hanging onto their unreasonable view of reality, but I am speaking of broader discourse. If people are silenced, that discourse won't happen - and people will remain even more estranged from the truth.
     
  12. Cannuck

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    Sounds much like the Indian Reservation System and Residental Schools. At least you have the right of refusal.

    https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/indian-reservations

    https://indigenouspeoplesatlasofcanada.ca/article/history-of-residential-schools/
     
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    Nobody is forbidding free speech. I assume you are referring to "cancel culture". Fear not, the cult is alive and well at CPAC.

    In 2021 the conference seems to offer proof that the Republican party is no longer in the political mainstream but has veered into far-right extremism. Speakers have raged against “cancel culture”, radical socialism and “big tech” companies while pushing Trump’s bogus claims of election fraud and denying he has any culpability for the subsequent insurrection at the US Capitol.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/27/donald-trump-cpac-speech-2021

     
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    We were talking about hate speech laws, which are antithetical to free speech principles.

    If it's far right extremism to be opposed to giant tech companies acting as proxy governments, radical socialism (communism?), and to question the laughably biased narrative (pumped uniformly by corporate media, big tech and the state) that the protest on Jan. 6th was a violent insurrection... then I guess I must be a right wing extremist.

    I'm not, of course, but facts and consistent definitions mean so little these days.
     
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    We've already established that there is no violation for hate speech in the US, as it is protected under the 1st Ammendment. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said, “freedom for the thought that we hate” is important to the discovery of truth, because sometimes viewpoints change. I would say most people have their biases, but hate is an extreme emotion that breeds violence. Even an automatic weapon has a safety.

    Questioning authority is a healthy aspect of free society. IMO it's always okay to question authority, as free thinkers often do. I'm not in the military, nor do I have to obey anyone's orders, nor am I in fear of the draft... likewise, I can also choose or refuse the service of media companies or start my own blog, publishing company even, hell, I've got enough domains :xf.wink:.
     
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    Questioning authority also holds leaders accountable. Approx. 75% of Americans polled say that the former president did not take Covid seriously (43% Republicans vs 94% Democrats), while 56% of recently polled have confidence in the ability of the current administration.

    A leader's opinion (vs logic & science) may help to explain why he himself contracted Covid, his nation is suffering nearly 30 million active cases (almost the entire population of Canada), and over 1/4 million deaths in one year on his watch...any rational thinker would not just question his authority, but in fact, his ability to lead a nation :xf.confused:
     
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    The truth is that TDS is accepted defensive language of supporters who view those who oppose DT and his policies as nothing more than the blind hatred of those who preach tolerance and free speech. The problem is not TDS, the problem is DTSD: Deranged Trump Self-Delusion. Viewed more broadly, TDS and DTSD syndromes are a function of increased polarization, which in turn begs the question, "Do you want what's better for America or what's best for Trump?" :xf.confused:

    It will be interesting to hear the message he delivers at CPAC today (esp. now that we've had a break from his hyperbole)
     
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    Just when I was feeling a friendly vibe you go full leftist on me and try to appropriate TDS into something else than Trump Derangement Syndrome:) What is next lennco? rewriting history? teaching kids there are 72 genders? that the weather changes? forced vaccination? Where do you draw the line you monster:)

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  22. lennco

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    I have been saying TDS = Trump Deranged Supporters for a few years now......And its true.
    I do need to update my meme to show the Capital's Trump Deranged Supporters.
     
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    This entire exchange has gone viral;

    Depending on who’s side you’re on;

    Worth a share; today this most polarizing topic
     
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    Equality Act is the “Unequality Act”

    It’s also a war on Religion;

    Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
    Sometimes, they intertwine;
    Permission to interject religion? LOL.

    @lennco seriously, crazy how leftist evolved; and most criticism;
    this Bill is an attack on religious beliefs;
    Getting the government involved in churches;
    Any house of worship, really. Therein problem. Trumpism doesnt look so bad. Reagonism 2.0

    We changed “Make America Great Again” to
    “Keep America Great Again.”

    Leftist Democrats’ made it easier to go back to the former.
     
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