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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

  1. Both Parties

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    50.2%
  2. Neither Party

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    9.1%
  3. Democrats

    42 vote(s)
    15.8%
  4. Republicans

    66 vote(s)
    24.9%
  1. 168

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    Just where did I call you any name ?
    Not surprised you make an assUmption my commentary was aimed at you. My mistake for assuming Hillbilly was your sweetheart.
    If you read it again it is directed to all people who
    think "like" you. So I don't agree with people hell bent on making the "American process" difficult to move forward. Clearly people
    that think like you want change too but didn't bother to bring forth a worthy candidate of their own nor have people that think like you made any effort to change the voting process to your wishful thinking "populous" vote. So again suck it up already.
    So to people like you or think like you I say either participate in the win for change that the current American process brought forward, participate in making the change successful regardless of who is president, or leave.
    Cheers to the American people who voted in Change and Incest out.
    Cheers to the American people who are willing to participate in making the change voted for successful.
     
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    Except you didn't get change. You got more of all the things you didn't want. More wall st insiders and corporate interests. More cronyism. More corrupt rich guys lining their own pockets who don't give a crap about middle America. A president who takes more vacations than Obama - that's coming out of taxpayers' pockets.
     
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    WOW ten weeks into the change and you already know the outcome? why on earth did you not warn the world!?
    This president has not taken more vacations than Obama. Duh Trump is paying his own. Obama couldn't.
    AGAIN,REGARDLESS OF WHO IS PRESIDENT, Americans, millions of them have started the process of change and resisting, delaying,
    sabotaging, fighting against the process does nothing to promote the success of the need for change!
    Obama was the first vote for change, did you have the same problem with that vote too? Any guess how that turned out?
    Trump is the second. It's not likely Trump would do any worse than Obama, Bush or Clinton.
    Change is a process not an overnight success. It could be 3 or 4 Presidencies from now before the REAL result of change is established.
    If all of the naysayers put out the effort into contributing to the process of change instead of resisting, delaying,
    sabotaging, fighting against the process, it is possible the REAL results would materialize much sooner.
    Surely the naysayers that think Trump is a disaster on America have an alternative in mind? Who is it?
    Another "Rich" person? Another political "Puppet"? A Women? Someone who isn't white?
    If so, why this important information isn't at the top of the news reports is beyond me.
    Naysayers have 3 years to find and promote a better alternative. A much better use of their energy and time.
    Happy Hunting
     
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    - Tillerson says diplomacy "failed" - after 8 weeks. Talk of war. With a country with nukes and an unhinged leader of its own. Great.
    - Us air strike in Syria - civilians killed in nearby mosque. US denies it, but after all the talk on increasing tolerance for civilian casualties and that sh*tshow in Yemen, not much credibility. Terrorist recruiting film in the making.
    - Golf weekends are fine. Let's cut financing to "meals on wheels" claiming you "don't see results." Lots of volunteers and home bound seniors would disagree on that. PS - that 3 million each MaL weekend costs taxpayers? That would provide meals for 500,000 needy seniors (@ $6/meal).
    - Proposed trumpcare is so poorly thought out it may not even get enough republican support to pass the house vote. Note: cliff notes are short too. Doesn't mean they're better than the entire book.

    Many of us who saw these grifters for what they are did warn people. Especially those of us who are local and saw how he operated in NYC and AC for decades. No, Obama did NOT take more vacations (Ok in 8 years he took more than DT has in 10 weeks) and yes we ARE paying for it. We're (along with the city of ny) also paying to support his family in a 2nd residence that was never intended to have that kind of security.

    Obama wasn't perfect but he did all right. A relatively peaceful, scandal-free 8 years, economy and employment rose. ACA needed tweaking (no thanks to partisan obstruction) but was a step in the right direction. I bought my own policies before and after - my premiums increased annually under both, my coverage under ACA is much better.

    Your whole tirade against me falls apart assuming I'm a liberal. I'm more of a centrist. Our fearless leader doesn't have a clue wtf he's doing. I would gladly accept someone who does. I don't care much what party they're from or if they're liberal or conservative, never mind gender or race. "Not compromised by a foreign power", "transparent about their finances", "has some government experience" and "not batsh*t crazy" would work for me. Although I disagree with him very strongly on a number of things, I'd be willing to give Pence a try.

    You talk of "change" - change in itself isnt inherently good or bad. What exactly were you so desperate to change and why?
     
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    "Your whole tirade against me falls apart assuming I'm a liberal."

    Just like E-promote you assUme it's about you and assert a false claim that I said, inferred you specifically were liberal.
    Would you like to assUME I support Trump too ? Feel free to do so. Personally, Rubio may have a future in the "house". Bernie could have made a difference. Sadly it just wasn't his turn. According to the Dem's I know, they are sure the loss was a scam.
    I choose to believe the voters.
    This isn't about you or people that think like you liberal or not. I'm not desperate. LOL My life doesn't depend on who's president.
    Maybe too much of yours does. Maybe that's the "change" you might consider.

    This isn't about who likes the president or who doesn't regardless of political positioning. This isn't about the president!. People that think like you and E-promote give way too much importance to the position and very little importance to the American voting process. I'm not desperate for change the American population is, demonstrated by the last 2 presidential elections that had nothing to do with me.
    Wa Wa Wa taxpayers have always paid for every presidents travels, vacations, overseas meetings, Bush romps to the family farm
    Specialized care for foreign dignitaries. Where's the difference? Believe what you want what ever the honest unbiased media feeds.
    If the previous administration wasn't so happy to kick the can down the road, there might not be talk of War, record deficits, and outrageous healthcare costs and you want to make the newbie responsible for all of this? pathetic. The highest deficits created ?
    More than all of the presidents put together? - Yea. peace bro.
    OBcare may have worked for you and hospitals that now offer valet service, and copious amounts of other unnecessary freebies
    for non-paying visitors, record profits for insurance companies that routinely deny covered benefits, Emergency charges of 10k+ just to be there regardless of the quality or depth of care, the monopolies that exist all around the country for different markets, all on the payers backs, the ones that were supposed to benefit from this "care"
    It didn't make a difference for Vets they still got shi** care. No scandal there. Millions of Americans paid more- in the billions for no good reason., If more were forced to pay the costs should have gone down over all. Cronyism at it's best. Hillbilly scandal free ? Laughable.
    The quality of care got worse, more expensive and people had no choice in keeping their doctor despite good o'l boy promises.
    Is it also Trumps fault terrorism has thrived and grown in the last 8 years ? Why not blame all "leaders" of the world?
    Are you aware War and infrastructure projects are historically used to improve the economy ? and it works? Do you prefer fiat pumps to the too big to fail, trade deficits and selling to the highest bidder American assets ? Yea, uhuh Obama did alright and no question Trump already screwed up the country. The majority of Americans did not have the benefit of "record profits."
    All of the people in the government, state, county, cities that voted out incest don't know better than you or people that think like you? How about border patrol, local police, VETS, Current armed forces? Y'all know better than them too?
    There will never be a dream candidate in the presidents office. None of the presidents had anywhere near the "experience" dreamers wish for.
    AGAIN > :-P THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO HAPPENS TO BE PRESIDENT.
    Americans, millions of them have started the process of change and resisting, delaying,
    sabotaging, fighting against the process does nothing to promote the success of the need for change!
    Surely the naysayers that think Trump is a disaster on America have an alternative in mind? Who is it? Pence? Fine. make it happen.
    It isn't going to make any difference in the majority of American lives who is president. A historical fact.
    Naysayers have 3 years to find and promote a better alternative, better systems. A much better use of their energy and time.
    Happy Hunting
     
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    At what cost in human life?

    Where did you get that number? Most ACA Silver/Bronze plans have a copay of $100 for an ER visit.

    Only reason I didn't keep my doctor was they moved and I didn't like the others in the practice. Keep your PLAN? That was not the case, but what I have now covers more for comparable premiums.

    As long as the private insurance companies are involved, they're going to game any system to make as much profit as they can.
    Do you think the new proposed plan is "better?" How? Premiums are expected to rise dramatically for the groups who can least afford it.
     
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    I have to say I find it hard to understand that women could vote for that man... the macho culture that prevails in some countries is not the norm in the US, where sexual harassment is something that is vigorously prosecuted, can land you in jail, even when you're a bigwig working at IMF for example. What a great role model we have.
    At least we can rest assured that corruption, cronyism, conflicts of interests, foreign influence, incompetence, wishful thinking, amateurism, naïveté, narrow straits are not going to shape national policy.
    Because he's obviously better than his predecessors, no matter which angle you're looking at.
     
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    I see, so quoting and replying to my post with insults aimed at people that "think like me" are not actually insults that I should feel include me. That's some alternative reality you have going there, now where have I seen alternative realities and alternative facts used extensively to avoid taking responsibility...

    You should be thankful that I am a caring guy that understands the challenged among us need things repeated at times, so here we go, now take your time and read your insults again slowly. BTW when I say "the challenged among us" I am not referring to you just to people that "think" like you :)
    • ...why don't you move to anywhere else but here?
    • Your sweetheart Hillbilly...
    • How about Americans that want change force people like you out?
    • Suck it up. I'm sure Hillbilly would be happy to help you with that.
    • "Guys help me out, can't decide how much I want to piss on America today".
    • People like you and your fellow worshipers...
     
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    The stupidity of the Left has no limits. I'll bet this useless POS would be happy if they chanted "allahu akbar"

    [​IMG]
     
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    Oh now I see
    No dis intended. There is no name calling as you describe but you are "insulted"
    that I call you out along with people who think like you.
    I don't get people that think like you that choose to rant and IMHO dis what America has voted for.
    I am disagreeing with your point of view just like you disagree with what America voted for.
    I'm no "idiot" because I believe that all of this ranting people are piling in on is destructive to the process
    IMHO what a waste of energy that could be better spent on alternate solutions if people that think like you
    don't like the current outcome.
    It's absurd, insane to think any president has so much power. They don't!
    In spite of differences of opinion the American people ain't gonna let it happen just like voting out incest!
    What this ranting says to me is there is a portion of the population that thinks they have less power than the President.
    That the American people are powerless.
    From my perspective not one dumb ass president in all my years affected my life but the political incest has. It is wrong
    to allow it to continue. A win for America regardless of who put on the suit.
    Cheers
     
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    Agree. Insurance companies is a big factor that needs attention.
    I have clients in healthcare. I see the waste, I see lots of people that don't have low cost co-pays, I live/work in high cost area
    No question some people benefited In my area this is mostly not the case. People lost their doctors because the plans they were forced into did not have their doctor as a participant. You would have to understand the relationship between doctors and Insurance Cos. this was especially true for "Specialists"
    I don't listen to the main stream STD's I wait till the fat lady sings. Proposals can change even after the ink is dry.
    Since when has the world truly cared about human life?
     
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    Doesn't mean we all need to become so cynical that we stop trying. Economic benefit would be a poor justification for sacrificing our sons and daughters. Especially when it involves countries with nukes - you have to wonder who would be left to appreciate it?

    McMullin is a conservative, not a leftist. And white nationalism is not an American value.
     
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    Years ago I believe it was Mcain and a couple democratic senators tried to pass a health plan that eliminated the tax deduction for all health plans for businesses, as well as Medicaid and just give every citizen a 5k tax credit, to buy a health plan with no discrimantion for pre existing conditions,so a married couple would get 10k, it would have been revenue neutral, but would insure every citizen, families with kids would have gotten more, and it would not be based on employment. I believe every citizen should be covered and it only adds expense to the whole system to have uninsured. A national health plan would never pass but I think a good basic health plan if every citizen was insured would be goog for the whole system. Lets face it one way or another we already cover everyone but at enormous cost for emergency care etc.
    Joe t
     
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    The problem with the flat rate credits is that premiums aren't a "flat rate." Older citizens pay higher premiums just because of their age, regardless of their personal health status. A 64 yr old marathon runner with no pre-existings would automatically have premiums several times those of a sedentary overweight 20-something. Currently under ACA companies can charge that person 3x as much, under the proposed replacement plan insurers could charge them 5x as much. A flat 5K wouldn't go far.
     
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    - NO evidence to support DT's wiretapping lie ... er... "claim." In other words, 45 outright lied about 44.
    - Counterintelligence investigation of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign
    - Confirmed that Russia intervened FOR A SPECIFIC PARTY - and it was not the Democrats.,
    - Question about Roger Stone gets a "no comment." Which is almost as good as a comment.

    ... aha! Make that 4 names getting a "no comment": Manafort, Flynn, Kislyak and Stone
     
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    Remember back during the Presidential campaign when the republicans kept saying over and over if Hillary was elected that she would be nothing but Drama? One big Soap Opera?
    LOL

    Her Soap Opera would have been nothing compared to what is happening now with Trump.

    [​IMG]
     
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    And he's still trying to tweet his way out of it - :xf.laugh:

    What did they try to impeach Clinton for? Lying?
     
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    Nice try Eric, but not enough of a distraction to override today's news
     
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    Hearing an FBI Director use the phrase "the president's tweets" during a Congressional hearing pretty much sums up the "Sad!" state of affairs our Country is now in.
     
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    LOL.......I thought the same thing, it sounded like he was talking about a child....oh wait....
     
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    Aides Wrestle Drill From Trump’s Hands As He Tries To Remove Obama Listening Device From Skull

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    WASHINGTON—Rushing toward the president as he pressed the eight-inch bit into his temple, several White House aides managed to wrestle a drill from Donald Trump’s hand Monday while he attempted to remove Obama’s listening device from his skull. “Obama implanted a microphone inside my head to record everything I say!” Trump reportedly shouted shortly before three White House staffers pinned him to the floor and pried apart his fingers to seize the power tool. “You don’t understand, he can hear everything we’re saying! Obama can even hear my thoughts! I have to get it out! I can feel it! I can feel it! I can feel it!” At press time, staffers were panicking after Trump locked himself in the bathroom and began cutting his stomach open with a razor blade in an attempt to find the tracking chip he said The New York Times had put in his food.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/aides-wrestle-drill-trumps-hands-he-tries-remove-o-55576




    I love theonion :ROFL::xf.wink::sneaky:
     

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