The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[Nem0]

I have read the opinions about Sunday being a good day for eBay auctions, but I think that it applies more to other products, like electronics and computers, than to domains.

Exactamundo :bingo: . I've been ending my auctions on Sunday evenings for 10 years now but most of those years the auctions were for non-domain products. Sunday 5pm-8pm pst is a very good time like BMug said, but in my experience it is best for physical goods, like Mib said.

I've tried ending LLLL.com on every day and have friends that end them at all different times of the day and in my opinion with low-priced domains it basicaly boils down to: Luck... since most buyers bid in the last minutes, and are online at all times of the day. Higher-priced names will of course get last-second snipes (software) and early proxy bids and such.

I don’t recommend auctioning too many domains at once, as you could saturate the buying capacity for that day, and some of your domains could sell for low prices.

Thanks for mentioning that, some days prices get really thinned-out on eBay with so many people listing so many LLLL.com. Spread them out people.

 

[Chef Patrick]

Thanks for mentioning that, it's really starting to get thinned-out on eBay with so many people listing so many LLLL.com now. Spread them out people.

Ahh I should have mentioned there will be no LLLL.com's in my auctions this go around. I have 10 LLLLL.com's and the other 10 are two word keyword names.

 

[Nem0]

so let's say i add a 10 day auction tomorrow, makes it end tuesday 11/25

For max exposure (maybe for some higher-priced items) starting the auction on Thursday and paying the extra .40cents for a 10-day auction works really well. That guarantees your item is exposed through two full weekends.

So, my answer is: yes, it would be smart to buy them if you can.

I agree. This very well could be the lowest that we will ever see these names
(where's that darn fingers-crossed smiley)

Today’s auctions at eBay (others are still running):

YXAU.COM - $29.99
XJCS.COM - $15.50 (expires in March 09)
QQHK.COM - $27.30 (expires in March 09)
XZSD.COM - $20.50 (expires in April 09)

The others...

DZWD $12.50 (expires in a month)
NZYL $11.50 (expires in a month)
NFQB $12.50 (expires in a month)
VWMY $49.00 (single)
VZPA $46.00 (double)
OCQD $56.00 (triple)


Ol' Ergo gettin' close to low Sedo-type prices with those last three names :lala:




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[ddchan]

Namejet today:

ubug.com $560
fohy.com $320
ppfi.com $320
kcms.com $510
cipa.com $5,101

 

[Andrei P.]

Would it be smart to buy LLLL.com's since they're only 10 bucks now?

Not any name just because it's LLLL.com and is only 10 bucks.
Look at higher quality names. Just because everyone was telling sky is falling there are sometimes good triple-premiums + V, K, W, U, Y sometimes going under 40$! I was enough happy to snatch some of them under 30$ even. These names have both reseller value and quite good end-user potential.

ps. Currently having negotiations on LLLL.com with two worst letters Low offer though but still with huge ROI

 

[Tim Schoon]

Not any name just because it's LLLL.com and is only 10 bucks.
Look at higher quality names. Just because everyone was telling sky is falling there are sometimes good triple-premiums + V, K, W, U, Y sometimes going under 40$! I was enough happy to snatch some of them under 30$ even. These names have both reseller value and quite good end-user potential.

ps. Currently having negotiations on LLLL.com with two worst letters Low offer though but still with huge ROI

triple + Y or J are often quite easy to get for around $20 if you know where to look.

 

[gladdy]

Even Y in LLLL.COM can sell for high price, noticed MYIC.COM at sedo auction today, price $5000

triple + Y or J are often quite easy to get for around $20 if you know where to look.

 

[Semtex]

Today on TDNX:

uxgp.com $20
uxrg.com $20
uxtg.com $20
ufgx.com $20
ugxf.com $20
rvrq.com $29
otnq.com $20
oglq.com $20
clkb.com $51
vxtg.com $20
sbhv.com $61

renewals have been added

 

[Nem0]

LLLL.com at Snap today:


FPUN $33
GVGN $28
TSQQ $25
LXWZ $23
GHJO $20
PXXW $19
YQLI $19
NHBX $17
LPJY $16
VJST $15
FYBW $14
GMWX $14
HRQG $14
QNJD $14
RFQH $14
XFGN $14
ZFFQ $14
BXJW $13
GQDW $13
GTKQ $13
JFWX $13
JVLJ $13
MBZQ $13
QBLX $13
QJPR $13
QTKM $13
ZXQL $13
ZPSV $12
VJYJ $10
VKYX $10
VRLQ $10

 

[www.iyii.com]

VJYJ $10
VKYX $10
VRLQ $10

$10 = reg fee + $3

so now the worst LLLL.com price is $3 ?

 

[abcproductions]

VJYJ $10
VKYX $10
VRLQ $10

$10 = reg fee + $3

so now the worst LLLL.com price is $3 ?

get em while you can

 

[Nem0]

VJYJ $10
VKYX $10
VRLQ $10

$10 = reg fee + $3

so now the worst LLLL.com price is $3 ?

Nope.

get em while you can

Yep.

 

[krx]

VJYJ $10
VKYX $10
VRLQ $10

$10 = reg fee + $3

so now the worst LLLL.com price is $3 ?

Not really since worse names than these typically sell for more.

Minimum price doesn’t mean the lowest sale recorded on a given day – esp if that sale is out of keeping with the general trend. There are lots of reasons for unusually high and unusually low sales. For example, multiple auctions all ending at the same time or too many sales in one day (i.e., over-saturation).

Say you have 50 active buyers with budgets of $100 each - on any given day. One sale ending every 10 minutes or so could have the attention of all 50. 10 sales ending at the same time means you will have on avg 5 buyers per sale. Fewer buyers means less demand means lower prices. Also if there are an unusual number of sales one day and those 50 buyers’ budgets are spread out across a larger than normal number of domains. We’re going to see unusually low prices that day.

Such sales are anomalous – in statistical terms “outliers” - and should be excluded from analyses of the minimum. Only if and when they happen regularly enough to become predictable do they warrant being described as the minimum. Otherwise outliers are (by definition) not meaningful as data.

One good indication that the values in question are outliers and not valid data is when the domains getting the lowest values for the day are not the worst ones, as is the case here. Another indication is to ask how much those names could be flipped for today. My sense is with a year’s reg each they could easily get $15 or more.

The minimum price only applies to single sales, conducted normally. Bulk sales will usually get a lower price. What those names could predictably be sold for individually is what I would consider the true minimum.

The minimum price is predictable, meaning it is the normal minimum price for the lowest quality LLLL.com. I am not now watching this market as closely as others here but my sense is that the real (predictable) minimum is more like $10 (not counting regfee). I think it was down to between 0 and $5 a couple few months ago, so it has risen some since then. I think it will be about $15 in February.

Here are all the minimum sales reported here over the last few days, and a couple relevant comments on the topic by others:

Tdnam

17657233 qths.com
$30 3 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 08:26 AM (PST)


17656214 gpvq.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 08:44 AM (PST)


17653495 plqt.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 09:31 AM (PST)


17650558 zvlm.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:21 AM (PST)

17643463 muwt.com
$21 3 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 12:23 PM (PST)


17643399 msvy.com
$30 3 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 12:25 PM (PST)


17650559 zvof.com
$19 3 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:21 AM (PST)


17650482 zdkn.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:22 AM (PST)


17650501 zfgu.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:22 AM (PST)


17650502 zfkh.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:22 AM (PST)


17650503 zfkz.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:22 AM (PST)


17650532 zmmd.com
$50 5 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:22 AM (PST)


17650114 xdhk.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:29 AM (PST)


17650127 xkgu.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 10:29 AM (PST)



17647863 jdih.com
$40 5 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 11:08 AM (PST)



17645026 uzhg.com
$20 4 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 11:57 AM (PST)


17645027 uzrh.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 11:57 AM (PST)


17644388 rqsn.com
$10 1 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 12:08 PM (PST)


17644286 rjao.com
$42 8 AUCTION CLOSED
11/13/2008 12:09 PM (PST)

3 namepros auctions today will selling prices of LLLL.com ~ $10

13 for $130
7 for $75
2 for $20

I expect that most of these domains expire in the next few months.

Here are all LLLL.com sales (eBay) for today:



XRRH $26.00
QIJZ $19.99
KZJW $9.95 (expires in 1 month - Dec 2008)
LDMQ $11.50 (expires in 1 month - Dec 2008)
DWJB $22.49 (expires in 1 month - Dec 2008)
YXAT $17.75 (expires in 2 months - Jan 2009)
DUXF $26.99
YZAR $16.00
YZAP $16.50
GXOF $26.00
ZYYQ $31.00
ZABQ $22.50
JCYE $32.05
JCXE $16.50 (expires in 2 months - Jan 2009)
FKIW $32.65
JCVX $16.50 (expires in 2 months - Jan 2009)
RQDH $16.00
XGYB $16.50
TEJH $70.00 (this was the last one ending today; was hoping to grab it for about $30 but it jumped up to $70 the last second! sheesh)

Today on TDNX:

qths.com $40
lrob.com $180
gpvq.com $20
plqt.com $20
zvlm.com $20
zvof.com $29
zdkn.com $20
zfgu.com $20
zfkh.com $20
zfkz.com $20
zmmd.com $60
xdhk.com $20
xkgu.com $20
jdih.com $50
uzhg.com $30
uzrh.com $20
rqsn.com $20
rjao.com $52
muwt.com $31
msvy.com $40
gyia.com $140

renewals have been added

I think prices have increased, but whether it will last is unknown. Was only a few weeks ago that I picked up some double premium for $8 with full year of reg left while now expiring ones with no premium letters are going for $10

Today on TDNX:

qvpa.com $20
qxkq.com $20
qyqj.com $20
qagn.com $20
qbef.com $25
qbif.com $25
qglk.com $20
qgmj.com $20
qhkp.com $20
qjpa.com $20
qjxg.com $20
qkls.com $20
qmjf.com $20
qngb.com $20
qrsb.com $31
qssp.com $70
mjfw.com $35
zndw.com $20
zcwi.com $20
zcye.com $20
zdxe.com $20
pqld.com $20
ypuq.com $20
yqvq.com $20
yvxn.com $20
yzvk.com $20
ympz.com $20
xksu.com $20
paqg.com $50
npqz.com $20
jqdt.com $20
jtxv.com $20
jhrq.com $20
jmqi.com $20
iwjq.com $20
izqw.com $20
vznt.com $25
vpgx.com $20
uqss.com $30
mqgb.com $20
ijqm.com $20

renewals have been added

IMHO, yes. Prices have been increasing in November after a prolonged period of decline, and I expect this trend to continue during next year, especially after the number of drops starts to fall. It’s not a risk-free investment, of course, considering the uncertainty of economic conditions, but I can’t think of an alternative investment free of those same risks.

I’d say that if you find LLLL.com’s with a full year registrations for $10 it’d be smart to buy them. However, I also think that you may find quite difficult to obtain that price level in the practice. Prices at eBay, for example, have been consistently above $15 for similar domains in recent days, and the minimum at TDNAM (Goaddy) is 18 to $20 when renewal is considered. Your best shot at obtaining similar prices would be Snapnames (for anti-premium or single-premium buyout names), the domainers forums or bulk deals.

There have been a few sales at that price level in recent days, but they are the exception and not the norm. I have tried to buy similar domains at eBay every day and have not succeeded even in one name. The few that went for lower prices didn’t appear in my listings for some reason, as other members here have reported. In any case, those exceptions are an insignificant portion of the total number of domains auctioned at eBay in those days, so I’m pretty sure that you would have a very hard time trying to gain them.

So, my answer is: yes, it would be smart to buy them if you can.

Today’s auctions at eBay (others are still running):

YXAU.COM - $29.99
XJCS.COM - $15.50 (expires in March 09)
QQHK.COM - $27.30 (expires in March 09)
XZSD.COM - $20.50 (expires in April 09)

The others...

DZWD $12.50 (expires in a month)
NZYL $11.50 (expires in a month)
NFQB $12.50 (expires in a month)
VWMY $49.00 (single)
VZPA $46.00 (double)
OCQD $56.00 (triple)

Today on TDNX:

uxgp.com $20
uxrg.com $20
uxtg.com $20
ufgx.com $20
ugxf.com $20
rvrq.com $29
otnq.com $20
oglq.com $20
clkb.com $51
vxtg.com $20
sbhv.com $61

renewals have been added

LLLL.com at Snap today:


FPUN $33
GVGN $28
TSQQ $25
LXWZ $23
GHJO $20
PXXW $19
YQLI $19
NHBX $17
LPJY $16
VJST $15
FYBW $14
GMWX $14
HRQG $14
QNJD $14
RFQH $14
XFGN $14
ZFFQ $14
BXJW $13
GQDW $13
GTKQ $13
JFWX $13
JVLJ $13
MBZQ $13
QBLX $13
QJPR $13
QTKM $13
ZXQL $13
ZPSV $12
VJYJ $10
VKYX $10
VRLQ $10

Apart from these last ones, I see nothing under $10 (plus regfee). I'd say that's the true minimum right now.

 

[Dean]

I cant sell one with 11 months till expiry for $13 so it is less then 10$ + reg fee

 

[krx]

I cant sell one with 11 months till expiry for $13 so it is less then 10$ + reg fee

Where are you selling it - just out of curiosity?

EDIT: just found it in the fixed price auction. You just listed it yesterday so I would give it a couple more days. Things slow down over the weekend.

 

[Dean]

Where are you selling it - just out of curiosity?

qcvx.com

 

[Nem0]

KRX that was a damn fine explanation of minimums and such a few posts back. I agree with it all. Snoop, take heed.


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Here are all LLLL.com sales (eBay) for today:

VMJP $13.00 (expires Dec 2008)
KYIG $13.77 (expires Jan 2009)
VFOW $70.00
JJYB $17.01
KFQF $15.40
WUZC $70.00
NUHJ $32.00
KVQR $22.49
IXEJ $31.00
DVUN $40.00
UPZH $29.00
UMTQ $7.00 (expires... Tomorrow)
ASYJ $7.50 (expires Dec 2008)
EVTJ $26.03
Pack of 5 LLLL.com (VUZQ, GJUQ, HSUQ, QPUI & QGUH) sold for $43.78 (about $8.70 ea)




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[snoop]

Minimum price doesn’t mean the lowest sale recorded on a given day – esp if that sale is out of keeping with the general trend. There are lots of reasons for unusually high and unusually low sales. For example, multiple auctions all ending at the same time or too many sales in one day (i.e., over-saturation).

Say you have 50 active buyers with budgets of $100 each - on any given day. One sale ending every 10 minutes or so could have the attention of all 50. 10 sales ending at the same time means you will have on avg 5 buyers per sale. Fewer buyers means less demand means lower prices. Also if there are an unusual number of sales one day and those 50 buyers’ budgets are spread out across a larger than normal number of domains. We’re going to see unusually low prices that day.

It has been said so many times before, but minimum means exactly that.....minimum, it doesn't mean selling under the best circumstances, it means the worst. Fair enough to ignore one outlier that is particularly low. But to start discounting numerous sales because you think too many dropped that day or that the timing wasn't perfect is denial.

 

[-REECE-]

Agree with you completely there Snoop. So with that in mind, it appears the minimum is currently around $7.

It has been said so many times before, but minimum means exactly that.....minimum, it doesn't mean selling under the best circumstances, it means the worst. Fair enough to ignore one outlier that is particularly low. But to start discounting numerous sales because you think too many dropped that day or that the timing wasn't perfect is denial.

 

[Nem0]

I left one sale out on purpose, I will post it later.. just making sure it gets finalized.

Oh and, To Any eBay Sellers Here: If you put "LLLL" or "LLLL.com" in your listing Title and you are not selling a 4-letter domain name me and a couple friends are gonna start Reporting you and your listing(s) to eBay -- you get too many of those violations and you will get in deep do-doo so... please quit doing it. Sorry but am gettin' sick of it. I hope some of you others will report them as well.

Reece, what do you think about putting a very small tidbit on your site or something describing exactly what "LLLL" means so it can possibly be referenced to the eBay dunderheads as to why these sellers are keyword spamming their titles? (It may prove to be a chore trying to explain to these non-domainer eBay-workers why it is keyword spamming without a solid reference)


Edit (oops I thought this was gonna be added to my post above, but you guys already over-posted me)

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[-REECE-]

Will do Daniel. I think that's an excellent idea. It really detracts from the eBay experience and also makes reporting prices much more time consuming.

I left one sale out on purpose, I will post it later.. just making sure it gets finalized.

Oh and, To Any eBay Sellers Here: If you put "LLLL" or "LLLL.com" in your listing Title and you are not selling a 4-letter domain name me and a couple friends are gonna start Reporting you and your listing(s) to eBay -- you get too many of those violations and you will get in deep do-doo so... please quit doing it. Sorry but am gettin' sick of it. I hope some of you others will report them as well.

Reece, what do you think about putting a very small tidbit on your site or something describing exactly what "LLLL" means so it can possibly be referenced to the eBay dunderheads as to why these sellers are keyword spamming their titles? (It may prove to be a chore trying to explain to these non-domainer eBay-workers why it is keyword spamming without a solid reference)


Edit (oops I thought this was gonna be added to my post above, but you guys already over-posted me)

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[Nem0]

Fair enough to ignore one outlier that is particularly low.

Then please do that when one outlier pops up per week.

Agree with your other points though.

Will do Daniel. I think that's an excellent idea. It really detracts from the eBay experience and also makes reporting prices much more time consuming.

Cool.

Yeah, it's exhausting searching through them sometimes. And lately it seems as if more keyword-spamming sellers are using "LLLL" in their titles -- I sure don't remember sorting through this many names the past few months.

 

[snoop]

Agree with you completely there Snoop. So with that in mind, it appears the minimum is currently around $7.

I'm on the fence on this, on one hand take those lowest sales yesterday, look at the quality relatively speaking,

UMTQ.com $7.00
ASYJ.com $7.50

Those are a long way from the bottom in my view. Having said that though all the worst quality names have now been through the renewal cycle so it would make sense that the lowest value names should be higher quality combinations than a month or two ago.

What I would say thoough is nothing has really changed in the market since the $2-$3 sales, it is just that people have paid a renewal fee and those names are now worth $10.

Then please do that when one outlier pops up per week.

Agree with your other points though.

Always have ignored the true outliers, like the ~$1 sale when the next highest was $2-$3. The issue though is many LLLL.com fanatics like to constantly discount sales, sales which are numerous (rather than just single examples), sales which actually indicate the minimum.

 

[Nem0]

I just got into thinking. I don't even like the word "minimum" for this industry. I mean, does it really even fit in with domaining? Surely the word and the true intent of its' meaning came decades before our little ol' domains came along. Sure you can apply the word here but to me it just seems a bit out of sorts with domains when you have examples of several that expire right away (such as many I posted above) that sell for $13+ next to some $2 name that sold that low because some seller forgot to put "LLLL" in the title, or because that $2 auction ended at the exact same time as 20 other llll.coms. To me that outlier is just caused by seller error.

Or maybe it's just eBay, maybe I really have a problem using the minimum term for eBay sales when there are too many variables that can make an occasional sale go out of whack. Sorry but you just don't see those types of "outliers", as you guys explain, on other venues like you do on eBay once in a great while.

Anyway just rambling. Minimums schminimums.

 

[-REECE-]

Daniel, here's what I posted:

An LLLL.com is a 4 letter .com domain name. If there are not exactly 4 letters in the domain name, it is not an LLLL.com. The use of the letter “L” to denote letters in a domain name dates back many years and is the accepted domaining standard of denoting the length of a domain name.

LL.com = 2 letter .com

LLL.com = 3 letter .com

LLLL.com = 4 letter .com

Similarly, LL, LLL, and LLLL can be used to denote a domain of length 2, 3, or 4 without specifying the extension.

eBay has recently seen increasing amounts of members keyword spamming LLLL and LLLL.com in their listings when they are not 4 letter domains. This makes it more difficult for eBay buyers interested in buying an LLLL.com to find LLLL.com listings. Any additional traffic sellers receive by incorrectly listing domains as LLLL or LLLL.com is untargeted traffic — this is not the kind of traffic which will convert to extra sales and detracts from everyone’s user experience when using eBay. If you or anyone you know is keyword spamming on eBay, please make sure it stops. Many of us very much enjoy using eBay as both a domain name buying and domain name selling platform, however your actions are making it more difficult for us to conduct business and market research.

Please feel free to use any part of it however you see fit, no need to quote LLLL.com.