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It happened on 23rd Aug 2022 and this matter lasted almost one month without any process. Masterbucks.com declined my fund withdrawal and disabled the button of fund withdrawal. And I contacted Epik.com and got no further action even if Rob Monster got involved in it for two weeks. All the time I was told in email by management review.

What is wrong with Epik.com? Do you think it is normal to disable fund withdrawal? How can I get back my fund from Epik.com? Thanks for your suggestion.

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Absolutely.

For accounts here, this is the only one I'm using. I'll look into the others - they may be old, or had been used by others. Really, we only need this one.

Sarah works for us now, yes. I've worked with her extensively over the past year, and she's one of the good people. I've heard a lot about former Epik employees, and I'll say that she doesn't fall into that mold. I'm not asking you to take my word for it, of course, but I'm certain that as time passes, you'll see that it was a good hire. I even sent her a box of gourmet chocolate chip cookies a couple months ago for going above and beyond. But I'm a softie like that.

To my knowledge, I'm pretty sure she's the only one we made an employee of our Epik.

Christopher
 
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Thanks Christopher.

There was some confusion about which people from the "old" Epik still work for you.

I assume you are aware that Sarah was responsible for Compliance as a Director. It was precisely in this area that things went completely wrong. While one might argue that Sarah was following orders from higher authorities, job titles exist for a reason, and she chose to continue with those assignments.

I will trust you when you say she is a good person.

Please let @Bravo Mod Team know which Epik representatives can be removed from the current overview.
 
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This "one of the good people" did not answer where the money stolen by her company was.
 
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Thanks Christopher.

There was some confusion about which people from the "old" Epik still work for you.

I assume you are aware that Sarah was responsible for Compliance as a Director. It was precisely in this area that things went completely wrong. While one might argue that Sarah was following orders from higher authorities, job titles exist for a reason, and she chose to continue with those assignments.

I will trust you if you say she is a good person.

Please let @Bravo Mod Team know which Epik representatives can be removed from the current overview.
I don't know anything about her as a person, but she did an objectively shitty job.

Escrow compliance = fail.

Epik was offering unlicensed escrow services and commingling the funds with other funds.

Insurance compliance = fail.

Epik was fined for offering unlicensed insurance products.

ICANN compliance = fail.

Epik was given a breach notice by ICANN regarding several issues.

And, there are many other "compliance" related issues as well.

I am sorry, but the compliance officer is responsible for that stuff.

That is an objectively bad job. If she is still employed by "new" Epik, that says a lot.

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I wonder how the Enron and FTX compliance officers are doing now?

Epik's downfall was almost entirely about compliance related issues.

If Epik followed industry standard practice and regulatory requirements, the "escrow" funds would have been separate.

Even if Epik went under, those funds would have been protected.

Brad
 
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There are many, and with each one, the threads just multiply - perhaps if I started an AMA post?

Christopher
Hi Christopher. I agree - 442 pages about the old Epik's scam is just about enough. Starting an AMA sounds like a great idea. Please do that, and link to the new thread from here.
 
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A separate AMA thread about Christopher’s professional life would certainly be interesting, but it cannot replace this thread for several reasons.

This case, with its multitude of details, is still unresolved for many victims, and this thread provides them with the opportunity to discuss within the existing context. This thread still serves as a Warning/Advisory thread.

An AMA thread has a completely different format, focusing more on a question-and-answer approach. Additionally, an AMA thread can be closed at any time at the request of the AMA thread starter, and many AMAs are currently closed.

Therefore, while I look forward to an AMA thread about Christopher and perhaps even a dedicated thread about Epik the registrar, it is important to maintain this thread for ongoing discussions. Strangely enough, to my knowledge, a central, dedicated thread about Epik the registrar does not yet exist, despite the numerous threads already written about Epik on this forum.
 
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There are many, and with each one, the threads just multiply - perhaps if I started an AMA post?

Christopher

just sheer curious... why did u keep old name if u want to start anew
 
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A separate AMA thread about Christopher’s professional life would certainly be interesting, but it cannot replace this thread for several reasons.

This case, with its multitude of details, is still unresolved for many victims, and this thread provides them with the opportunity to discuss within the existing context. This thread still serves as a Warning/Advisory thread.

An AMA thread has a completely different format, focusing more on a question-and-answer approach. Additionally, an AMA thread can be closed at any time at the request of the AMA thread starter, and many AMAs are currently closed.

Therefore, while I look forward to an AMA thread about Christopher and perhaps even a dedicated thread about Epik the registrar, it is important to maintain this thread for ongoing discussions. Strangely enough, to my knowledge, a central, dedicated thread about Epik the registrar does not yet exist, despite the numerous threads already written about Epik on this forum.
Yeah, I was thinking a separate AMA (or dedicated thread) about the new Epik.
 
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just sheer curious... why did u keep old name if u want to start anew
This is what he said about it:

Many of you are building a brand from scratch. In a way, we are too. In 2023, we acquired the sinking ship that was “old Epik” and are working hard to right it. Still, we know the name carries baggage. So why did we keep it?

Because the word “Epik” made us think of long journeys, full of growth, change and surprises. Of continual learning.

Since then, weve been on a quest to make your online journey simpler, safer, and easier than ever before.


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I get it - it's a pretty good name in that regard. But the baggage far outweighs any benefit. Maybe they had committed to keeping the name before they realized what a mess things were (and just what the baggage was). But surely once they became aware of just where things were at, it would have been wiser to drop it like a hot potato....
 
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Yeah, I was thinking a separate AMA (or dedicated thread) about the new Epik.
They can start an AMA if they want.

However, I bet pretty much every question is going to be about what happened.

I doubt many people really care about the journey of building "new" Epik.

I get it - it's a pretty good name in that regard. But the baggage far outweighs any benefit. Maybe they had committed to keeping the name before they realized what a mess things were (and just what the baggage was). But surely once they became aware of just where things were at, it would have been wiser to drop it like a hot potato....
FTX.com is a pretty good brand also. It would not be a wise decision to launch a "new" crypto exchange on it, this time owned by "FTX LLC". :ROFL:

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It happened on 23rd Aug 2022 and this matter lasted almost one month without any process. Masterbucks.com declined my fund withdrawal and disabled the button of fund withdrawal. And I contacted Epik.com and got no further action even if Rob Monster got involved in it for two weeks. All the time I was told in email by management review.

What is wrong with Epik.com? Do you think it is normal to disable fund withdrawal? How can I get back my fund from Epik.com? Thanks for your suggestion.

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I am also waiting for my 5k$ bro.
 
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My posts here are all signed with my name at the bottom - so no, those earlier posts were not me.

And yes, if you said that we were taken in by Rob's spin, you'd be correct. At this point, though, a year into it, we're focused on building a better registrar and expanding to service business customers with much of what Registered Agents does well. Rob was spoken about for two reasons, really. One, we thought he was being helpful. And two, once we realized he wasn't we didn't want to churn the mud until the ICANN process was done. That was, in my opinion, a smart decision to just finish the process.

I just wanted to answer those specific questions so there's no impression I'm avoiding questions - but seriously, this thread is long and old. I'd be happy to continue to engage, but we really should use a threading forum as it's intended and have a post for discussion about where we are now, rather than a years-old Epic. (see what I did there? :))

Christopher

I have a question.

Registered Agents Inc is perfectly capable of setting up companies (that’s their specialty). However, to establish Epik LLC, you chose to use a service from one of your competitors, Northwest Registered Agent. This allowed total anonymity regarding who had actually acquired Epik for about 8 months. During this period, while awaiting accreditation changes, Epik continued to operate through the "old" Epik Inc.

In the footer of the website, Epik Inc was listed:
ttps://web.archive.org/web/20240106224837/https://www.epik.com/

In the privacy policy, Epik Inc was mentioned:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240122154122/https://www.epik.com/privacy/

In the general terms, Epik Inc was indicated:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240122153940/https://www.epik.com/terms/

In emails regarding domain renewals and purchases, Epik Inc was always mentioned.

Purchase receipts also indicated Epik Inc, with instructions to make payment to Epik Inc bank account in Sammamish.


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The only emails that originated from Epik LLC were directed to individuals who were simply asking to be paid for domains sold on the same site and during the period when the registrar still operated as Epik Inc.

Only after the accreditation change occurred, was there a switch from Northwest Registered Agents to Registered Agents Inc, revealing the actual buyers of Epik.


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The simple question is: what was the need for such anonymity?

Now that the transition period is over, can it be candidly admitted that the choice was intended to protect the new parent company from potential lawsuits during the time you had to continue using parts of the old Epik, namely Epik Inc?

And if so, does this not imply that there was some uncertainty regarding the actions of the previous Epik administration?

Thank you.
 
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To the above question - I had to go ask to find out, as I don't deal in those aspects of the business, but the boring answer is that the original Epik used Northwest, so it looks like we did, too, until the transfer was complete, to keep things as simple as possible.
 
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Absolutely.

For accounts here, this is the only one I'm using. I'll look into the others - they may be old, or had been used by others. Really, we only need this one.

Sarah works for us now, yes. I've worked with her extensively over the past year, and she's one of the good people. I've heard a lot about former Epik employees, and I'll say that she doesn't fall into that mold. I'm not asking you to take my word for it, of course, but I'm certain that as time passes, you'll see that it was a good hire. I even sent her a box of gourmet chocolate chip cookies a couple months ago for going above and beyond. But I'm a softie like that.

To my knowledge, I'm pretty sure she's the only one we made an employee of our Epik.

Christopher
Please return my $6,000. As the new owner, you should have been aware of the hack and the amount Epik owes to its users.
 
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Please return my $6,000. As the new owner, you should have been aware of the hack and the amount Epik owes to its users.
Epik had been sold out?
 
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I’m going to try to hit every question asked so far, so I apologize if there’s any repeated stuff. Then I’m going to let this huge thread do its thing but will use other threads more narrow to specific things if asked.

Oh, and happy Friday and I hope everyone has a great weekend! :)

On the issue of retaining old Epik employees, while we only made an offer to one employee of the old Epik, I should note that you all know the company was owned by Rob Monster and run by Brian Royce. It was a very tightly-held company and to our knowledge, all final decisions were made by Rob and Brian. To pin Epik's failures on a front line employee that hits buttons and answers emails and routes problems to their superiors is not an accurate portrayal on any level. For example, the compliance director for a registrar monitors complaints from ICANN. An employee that's a compliance director can't somehow magically get the owners to be good people or the CEO to not run a Ponzi scheme.

We got fooled by Rob Monster more than anyone. He's a very compelling person. He's a great salesperson, but most importantly, he's very smart and knows not only how to seek out weaknesses, but prey and pounce on them in an extremely sneaky and manipulative way. Flat out, he fooled us. We should have let him and Brian get crucified on the false cross they preach under. Things happen for a reason. Hard to tell why on earth we got roped into this epik mess at this point. Time will tell.

I would like to expand on what we bought, though, as it seems to be asked a lot. Our original intent was to build our own registrar from scratch to serve our business customers. Those of you who know me know that this is a thing I've done a few times already. It was clear that this was no small task, however, so when the opportunity came to acquire the assets of Epik, we had our eyes set clearly on their registrar platform. More-so than even their customer base. We bought a small amount of assets. We didn't buy Epik Inc or Epik Holdings Inc, or Masterbucks LLC. or any of the weird creations of Brian Royce or Rob Monster to take over the free speech world. The business itself was something we intended to completely replace with our own. But from our perspective, after doing the due diligence, we realized very quickly something was very very wrong with "escrow" and anything to do with those types of transactions. Masterbucks was in a class of dumpster fire all by itself. Legally speaking, there was a very hard line there we couldn't touch with a football field length pole. It looked like full-blown fraud to us. So we agreed to buy assets like the customer base, the domain registrations, software, and the web sites. Basically, the functional components that make a pure-play registrar. But if we would hop into Masterbucks and start trying to make things right for every one of Rob Monster's victims over the last 10 years, that's just not something we could legally get into. We saved a lot of people and relationships with what we were able to do. We established a victims fund and helped hundreds of people get paid, and hundreds of vendors, and saved hundreds of thousands of domains from being in a real mess for registries, ICANN, and the registrants. Remember, there were domains that had been paid-for to Epik, Inc but never to the registries. Rather than let them be lost, we paid for those that could be recovered, even those in grace periods.

To a lot of people, the questions continue why not pay off anyone and everyone claiming something against Rob Monster, Brian Royce, Epik Inc, Epik Holdings Inc, or Masterbucks LLC. I don't know how to be more clear about it. We bought assets, not stock in those companies. We bought the Epik brand, and that like many of you have said, was probably a mistake, but we can't legally get into the mix with any of those people or entities. We established and funded a victims fund to pay off the debts based off what they disclosed to us.

Did we underestimate the toxic mess that Epik was? That would be the understatement of the year. We had no idea there could be such evil in a company as what Epik was. We were naive. We manage over 4 million US businesses for customers. And we've never seen anything as toxic and evil as what Rob had created with Epik. We all here hope Rob Monster and Brian Royce get what they deserve and many people come forward and hold them accountable.

Before now, Registered Agents had never even done social media. Look at the Registered Agents social profiles - the company didn't even have a Twitter account let alone know how to run one. Before I got here, they tried hiring a few sub contractors that specialized in social and that turned out really really bad. They rightfully don't want to care about social media, preferring to focus on improvements like returning money to people when domains expire (you've seen that we're pretty-much the only company that shares the purchase of an expired domain as credit by default. Who else does that?!). Improving the privacy and security of the software was our first goal. We actually shut down some features because of security issues and brought them back only after we brought them up to our standards. Our overarching goals are helping people maintain their portfolio. Helping people stand up their entire identity in minutes. Being the technology end of business services as well as leveraging our platform to make a solid offering for those who just need domains, hosting, email, and other things that all registrars should do well. Wait until we give domain investors a way to sell domains to over 4 million businesses that we have active relationships with, that no other domain registrar has access to. We are building things out as a platform. For the aftermarket, we think domains should sell through lawyers that have ethical requirements, not "escrow" companies. Where the old Epik makes a mockery of "escrow," we intend to do it right. We have relationships with 50,000 plus lawyers and are trying to make the software to where those in the aftermarket can choose from thousands of lawyers willing to transact sales for parties so it's easy for a domain seller and buyer to get a third party attorney to help them. This is where we leverage what Registered Agents is already doing as a leader in the field.

As for the Epik brand, well, frankly, we don't need the Epik brand. If the product is good, our customers will adopt it. Epik was loosing $400,000 a month when we bought it and it's already profitable and we haven't even offered the products to our customers yet. But hindsight is 20-20, and at this point, we're just focused on making the decision to eliminate over a year of software development pay off. We're here to help. We're here for the long haul and will be an independent option for people if they want it. At some point, I would like to direct my attention on moving forward. We can keep rehashing the Masterbucks and Rob Monster story, or we can focus on better things. I've personally never met Rob Monster or Brian Royce in person, we'll keep it that way.

I hope I hit everything. If you'd like to continue discussions about registrar operations and how Epik can help you or questions on our services, I’m going to open an Ask Me Anything Thread after this weekend and will direct my attention over there, as well as any new (more focused) posts. For now, the weather looks to be cooperating, so I’m going to do some serious gardening this weekend. I recently moved back to the Seattle area from California, and it’s really nice to have space to grow my own stuff again!

Christopher
 
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I appreciate you taking the time to make a lengthy response.

However, I do want to touch on this point.

To pin Epik's failures on a front line employee that hits buttons and answers emails and routes problems to their superiors is not an accurate portrayal on any level. For example, the compliance director for a registrar monitors complaints from ICANN. An employee that's a compliance director can't somehow magically get the owners to be good people or the CEO to not run a Ponzi scheme.

Clearly the blame is almost entirely on Rob Monster and Brian Royce for the collapse.

However, we are talking about an (ICANN) compliance officer.

Set aside compliance issues with escrow or insurance.

This was an ICANN breach notice that involved more than just financial issues.

If the argument was the employee could not properly carry out their duties because of meddling by Rob Monster or Brian Royce, maybe she should have quit.

An ICANN breach notice certainly reflects poorly on a compliance officer.

The criticism is perfectly reasonable.

Brad
 
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Took me a while to catch up on the thread.

Interesting info, thanks to all posting questions and new info. Bottom line for me Monster/Epik took off with over $20,000 of my money. This 'buying assets and not liabilities' bullshit is enough to make all of my sphincters slam shut at once.

I nearly died this past February, but one of the things that kept me going is my plan to recoup my funds. So I guess I've got those wacky folks at Epik (new and old) along with the king POS Monster for keeping me going.

EDIT: I was just reminded there were a few things that kept me going.
 
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If newEpikChristopher starts an AMA, I'd ask:

But from our perspective, after doing the due diligence, we realized very quickly something was very very wrong with "escrow" and anything to do with those types of transactions. Masterbucks was in a class of dumpster fire all by itself. Legally speaking, there was a very hard line there we couldn't touch with a football field length pole. It looked like full-blown fraud to us. So we agreed to buy assets like the customer base, the domain registrations, software, and the web sites.

How does new Epik respond to the perception that "buying assets" comes off as new epik bailing out old epik/rob by giving them a golden parachute and exit strategy to escape prosecution or bankruptcy proceedings?

An employee that's a compliance director can't somehow magically get the owners to be good people or the CEO to not run a Ponzi scheme.

Will new Epik pledge to turn over/report any evidence of said ponzi scheme and/or other wrong doings to the appropriate authorities?

The only way I see new epik fixing their reputation is if new epik were to become whistleblowers against old epik/Rob.

I'd love to start using nameLiquidate again when it opens back up to outside registrars, however I don't think the buyer/seller pool will be strong until new epik changes the perception of them being Rob's scapegoat.
 
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If the argument was the employee could not properly carry out their duties because of meddling by Rob Monster or Brian Royce, maybe she should have quit.

What other options did she have besides quitting?

Could she have reported to ICANN (or is there a more appropriate authority?) that the CEO was meddling in her compliance duties?
 
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For now, the weather looks to be cooperating, so I’m going to do some serious gardening this weekend. I recently moved back to the Seattle area from California, and it’s really nice to have space to grow my own stuff again!

Be careful not to drink the koolaid made from Washington blueberries. It may or may not have played a part in taking down Epiks last CEO.


Did anybody else think of the blueberry video after hearing NewEpikChristopher talk about gardening in Washington?
 
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