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The Cost of Doing Business the eBay Way

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There has been quite abit of chatter regarding ebay raising their fees...again. So let's take look at The Cost of Doing Business the eBay Way.

Lets say you have a domain name you want to sell on eBay. And you don't want to sell it too cheap but you do want to sell it. So you price it at $24.99. The starting price looks enticing enough because it's not 25 bucks...that's called "psychology".

List $24.99
-.60 eBay insertion fee.

Naturally, we all want it to sell for a couple of million bucks but someone does end up buying it for the original starting price of just $24.99. You're tickled to death that it actually sold and you've nearly tripled your money on regging it to begin with.

Sells for $24.99
eBay final value fee 5.25%
-$1.31 final value fee.

Needless to say, there is nothing to ship so the best and most cost efficient way to get the money in a hurry is via PayPal. But, you do not take credit cards as it is a personal account and, no-way, no-how, are you going to be slapped with those high fees.

$24.99 selling price
Paypal fees 2.9% (+.30)
-.75 (2.9%)
-.30
Total PayPal fees
$1.05

But you figure what the heck, so it cost you a buck to do business with PayPal...it's worth it and look how fast I got my money, YEEHAW!

You just netted $22.06 and, gee, I can actually make a living doing this and tomorrow I'm going to walk into my bosses office and stand up on his desk, undo my zipper, drop my drawers, turn around and fart in his face.

The look on his face will be...well...priceless.

Thus far, you cost of doing business is only 11.84% of your gross margin.

Now, you could have gone the cheap route and list it your self with eBay's own tools but you found this site called Vendio that has nice looking slick templates to use for your auctions. This is going to save you money because you don't have to spend a dime on software and everything is there for you to simply plug in and fire away to eBay.

You choose their el-cheapo Pay-As-You-Go-Plan where it only cost 12 cents per listing and a measly 1% of the final value and forego the imaging costs. We're doing things on the cheap and we're just going to make the domain name in a big ass type font and a different color and call that our "graphic".

-.12 listing
-.25 Vendio Final value fee

So, big whoop, we're down to $21.69 or about 13% of the cost of selling the domain on eBay. You are no math wizard but you know that 87% is still quite a hefty sum when you compare what you paid for the thing vs. what you sold it for.

You tell your best friend who happens to be an accountant about your new found road to riches by selling product and services on the internet and how you pocketed 87% off just one sale!

He says he'll be glad to handle your account, being the good chum that he is. He tells you to keep track of all your expense because they are...tax deductible.

Now you're in heaven because not only are you making money hand over fist but you're going to be able to deduct some of this money as a business expense...SWEET!

So we're gonna screw our Uncle named Sam, make money, and "be my own boss. I'm happier than a pig wallowing in shi@".

So you start raking up the deductions. I've got a GoDaddy account, they're cheap enough, only cost me $8.95 to reg the name. Still not a bad deal.

Cost to reg
-8.95 GoDaddy
-.25 ICANN fee

Damn, everything cost something and everybody has a fee of some sort. But, I still made $12.49 off of one lousy domain name which is about a 136% profit over regging the thing in the first place so I got my money back and then some.

In the meantime, your cost of doing business by selling a domain name on eBay and using the services of PayPal and Vendio for convenience's sake has unsuspectingly and unbeknowst to you risen to 50% of your gross selling price.

Your friend, the accountant follows up with a phone call and asks you how's the wife and kids, let's do lunch, and, oh-by-the-way...don't forget you are in the 33% tax bracket and have a nice day.

33% taxes
-4.12 per domain sold
Total net gain
$8.37 cents (29.85%)

The price of doing business on ebay? 70%
The price of the look on your former employer's face when you ask for your job back? Priceless
 
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iNod said:
Nobody is forcing you to use eBay or paypal. If you feel the fees are too high you can go to the other 500 of them and sell the same item for 500% less than you would on ebay. Your choice.- Steve
Nobody is forcing you to read this, no one is forcing you to be part of this forum.

What was meant to be humor is taken too damn literally by you.

Let me guess...you didn't even read the whole thing. You just saw someone lampooning ebay and paypal (or course, you didn't read it so you don't know that it was meant to be lampooned) so you thought you would rush to the defense of ebay and PayPal.

Where are you in the other posts and threads regarding commentary for or against PayPal and eBay?

And by the way...it does have everything to do with domain names because buying and selling domain names is what this site is all about and ebay is but one vehicle used in the purchase and selling of domain names.

If you want to support ebay and paypal and tout their benefits and business practices, then how about starting your own thread.

My God, get a sense of humor.

-Gerry
 
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circa1850 said:
Nobody is forcing you to read this, no one is forcing you to be part of this forum.

What was meant to be humor is taken too damn literally by you.

My God, get a sense of humor.

-Gerry

Uh huh.

And what does ebay have to do with domains lol? eBay just started allowing domains to be sold a few years ago. But it was and still is mainly for items/electronics.

Also why start my own when I can hijack yours?

PS. I had a sense of humor, but I sold it on ebay for $5.99 and I only got $3.25 because I had to pay all those fees and such :(

- Steve
 
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Well, I can appreciate the tongue-in-cheek humour of the original post, but this bickering is almost more fun...

eBay is a good option for selling certain classes of domains, although they really should improve their niche listings to cater more to sellers/buyers in various areas (such as domains/websites, etc.) as they have with cars
 
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rocketfly said:
Well, I can appreciate the tongue-in-cheek humour of the original post, but this bickering is almost more fun...

But don't forget that some domain investments can be depreciated/deducted as well.

bickering? Where..

:o

- Steve :tri:
 
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listed a few times on ebay, but the name did not get sold.
 
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This is the first time I know I can sell domain on eBay!

Thanks for the info, you made me laugh off my chair!

You just netted $22.06 and, gee, I can actually make a living doing this and tomorrow I'm going to walk into my bosses office and stand up on his desk, undo my zipper, drop my drawers, turn around and fart in his face.

The look on his face will be...well...priceless.
 
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You've forgotten the "most fun" part of selling on eBay (Which you've alluded to in other posts...): The not-so-unlikely chance that the buyer will claim that the domain was never delivered and you can be out ALL the fees, plus the domain in question, and your of doing business with PoopPal (tm) ends up being 143%.

Excellent :tu:

-Allan :gl:
 
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Feel that this is true and funny. Many domain sellers ended up making a loss instead of gain thru ebay and pay_pal charges. And to say that there are cases where no one wants to buy that domain...

Flora.
 
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Don't forget the random people who registered on the day you place your item for sale, buy it at BIN, and never pay. :)
 
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Dan said:
Don't forget the random people who registered on the day you place your item for sale, buy it at BIN, and never pay. :)

Thats why they invented "immediate payment required"

I have never had a problem with paypal or ebay :/ so I guess I don't get why all these people complain and say they lost $7000 :/

- Steve
 
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I don't use eBay, and I've only had problems with PayPal with my debit card on sites that use a similar system to PayPal's payment system. The debit card sets the payment to pending and so did the site. So when the payment was finally accepted, I got charged twice. It wasn't a big deal, so meh.
 
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IAmAllanShore said:
...and your of doing business with PoopPal (tm) ends up being 143%.

Excellent :tu:

-Allan :gl:
TradeMark rights granted!:hehe:. Bet I can guess what kind of paper the EULA will be on :lol:

MissFlora said:
Many domain sellers ended up making a loss instead of gain thru ebay and pay_pal charges.Flora.
So true. I assure you if you list about 20 or 30 at a time and only 5 or 6 sell, from the listing fees for all total as well as the final value fee and paypal fees for the one's that did sell, you will be in the hole.

And, if you want to draw attention to you listing by including a gallery image...look out!

Dan said:
Don't forget the random people who registered on the day you place your item for sale, buy it at BIN, and never pay. :)
Been there, done that, got burned, they go on a spending spree with "virtual" cash, no one gets paid, they get booted, you gotta wait 7 days to file a fee credit...time is money.
 
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Is ebay any good for selling developed sites?
 
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ebay has never worked for me. Had like 5 bad transactions out of 24. Pretty high percentage.
 
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blue^ray said:
Is ebay any good for selling developed sites?
I have seen turnkey sites go for quite hefty sums of money. There are any number of templates available for free, some charge for usage, and the seller slaps on a domain name and pushes it as a site ready to go and make boatloads of money. Bidders take the bait, entrepreneur wannabees jump in the mix, and the next thing you know you are making a couple hundred bucks on a piece of crap domain name.

I do not endorse this method of salemanship but it is obviously working. Or should I say, it obviously did work at one time because now ebay is flooded with these turnkey sites for sale. The competition is now heavy and too much of the same product. I think you would be right where this discussion started...in too deep into your own pockets having to pay ebay the listing fees for sites not selling. You can't just list one, you have to list many many to reach a broad market and appeal, and don't forget...you are the one regging the name and trying to unload the domain.

Several problems with this...usually the domain name is a dud or an extension not heavily searched, the site does look nice but not content rich, and it will languish. But most buyers buying these sites do not know this.

I have never seen any well established legitimate sites be auctioned off let alone sell on ebay. Legitimate is the key word here, as in ones that have been around for a while and actually have traffic. Much hype and hocus-pocus go into the salemanship and barking up the benefits of the turnkey business.

tzsxc said:
ebay has never worked for me. Had like 5 bad transactions out of 24. Pretty high percentage.
I dumped ebay after 75% of my sold domains were going unpaid in the final two weeks I was on ebay. You'd list about 50, sell 10, and...lo and behold...3 out of four were not being paid for.

So if you list 50 at a starting bid of $9.99 and add a gallery image to draw attention to the listing, your fees are 35 cents for listing (soon to be 40 cents) and 35 cents for the gallery image, you're out 75 cents x 50 just for trying to sell a few domain names. It just cost you $45.00 to list 50 names, you only sell 10 at 9.99, your gross take is $99.99, but only x number of buyers actually pay.

Guanandamntee you that ebay will get their $45.00 for listing all those names they'll get their 5.25% final value fee, you'll have to wait a week to file a final value credit, then you have to wait another 10 days until it is granted unless by chance the jerk is kicked off ebay in the meantime and those that do pay use PayPal and PayPal will get their 2.9% + 30 cents per transaction.

So your $9.99 sale just cost you 75 cents to list, 52 cents to sell, 59 cents to use PoopPal (TM).:notme: It adds up.

When I was selling, I would typically list 50-100 domains per week. One month I overdid it, listed a boatload and sold quite a few but still my monthly bill to eBay alone was $769.00. I was using Vendio to list and I only accepted PayPal as a form of payment. I am sure I was easily spending $1000.00 each month selling on ebay, using PayPal, and utilizing the service plans from Vendio. And very doubtful I reached a breakeven point. Yes, I had several individual multiple hundred dollar sales but those are few and far between on ebay.

But sales on Sedo and TDNAM more than made up for the loss so it was still a good year. But don't get me started on their customer service :'(
 
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oh well I wont try then.
 
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That's why I only BUY on eBay :).
 
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Nice and true post. Had fun reading it (though get dizzy by all the numbers as well...)
It seems to better to sell domains using forums rather than eBay. The fee nearly eats up everything. Not to mention if the domain is sold at super low price (done that, got in negative amount of cash).

Off topic:
I was curious and went to check if PoopPal is registered. <- and wow it is :'(
 
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circa1850 said:
TradeMark rights granted!



"PoopPal" Sounds like a new laxative product, lol.

Dismounted said:
That's why I only BUY on eBay :).

eBay has always seemed to me like a buyers market for domains. I just think the supply is much much higher there than the demand.
 
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