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For those who are fond of downvoting, proceed to doing so if you haven’t already. Yes, you read it correctly. We welcome your downvote. Most of what you read post this point will likely be considered unpopular by the “conventional domain investors” who subscribe to “.com tribalism”. With this stated, let’s get the -23 reputation score up to, or past, a record -100.

Now, there’s a simple question we’d like to pose:

WHAT ARE THE CONS OF THE .COM?

It’s apparent that many domain investors live by the “.com only” investment strategy. Whether this is by choice OR not having the courage/ability to endorse something new is what many don’t openly discuss. We’ve noticed that some investors act like a scorned ex when they hear about any extension other than their beloved .com. Some people might call it an obsession; while others might say it’s “normal”. We simply ask “why”?

Does the .com have any greater utility than any other extension? Last we checked, it doesn’t seem to offer too much beyond what other extensions offer. Does being a die-hard endorser of .com mean one can actually “own” the domains they rent at some point? Does “renting” a .com equate to being immune to online censorship? We’re NOT asking for a friend. We’re inquiring for those who’ve “thought it” but didn’t “ask it”.

We want your thoughts on what makes the .com so supreme. The broken record that is “top sales” and “web traffic” aren’t necessary here. Please forgo the “I also have .net, .org and some .xyz’s” counter. There are over 1000+ ICANN TLDs; and we’d like to know why YOU single out one and treat a few others like slot-filling sidekicks. It feels like the .com bubble is haunting the domain investment world. Maybe it’s just a dream though.

Share your thoughts below. Don’t be shy. Show your devotion to the .com and the downvote.

(Smiles)

Chris
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Have fun with that ^ I ain’t staying with @MadAboutDomains or @Vegas Options or @bmugford

When .xyz was becoming a thing I told everyone here 5 years ago what was gonna happen ^ and these same guys argued against me

No one is against you, and .XYZ only became a "thing" recently and really only highly profitable for a small handful of people as a domain investment.

You say things like we need to "come together" without even really expanding on what that means.

I simply don't see the value proposition in new gTLDs. When you have (1) total six figure sale (outside .XYZ) in new extensions in the last year, over 1000+ extensions, it doesn't seem highly lucrative.

The confusion over different registration rates, renewal rates, premium tiers, etc. makes it even less appealing for me.

What does "come together" mean - promote investments I don't believe in?

I don’t need to argue with three people or the people who support them, I am a firm believer in the transition and advancement of technology as well as time itself and that’s all it’ll take

That's fine, though .XYZ works the same way as other extensions. It is kind of weird to be promoting an extension that operates the same way, then refer to it as advancement of technology.

If you were arguing for blockchain domains or some other system that would make more sense.

You cannot restrict every business in the world to .com / to think you can, again no words ^ like packing sardines in a tin can, there’s a point when it get’s messy

No one is trying to. That is a strawman argument.
The free market will decide.

I have rescinded what I put. Looks like the NPs search has failed me.

In that thread @bmugford appears to have been correct in his questioning of XYZ, as he is to this day.

I will say that I didn't foresee a day where one person would have such a stranglehold on the .XYZ resale market. Outside a few people the .XYZ investment proposition has not really changed all that much IMO.

I guess one major difference is .XYZ has introduced "premium" registration and renewal tiers for almost any decent terms. I would not want to invest in a registry that is directly competing against me as an investor.

Brad
 
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He had mentioned a random example of a .xyz someone else in the other party owned (funnyletter.xyz) which is a terrible name ... not sure about what you mean in his questioning

Nonetheless thank you for acknowledging the poor search tool on Namepros, I removed my dislike

There are many threads I have constantly supported GTLDs in, since 2016 - the majority of these threads I did not start, I just had a lot to say; and honestly over the past 6 years much of what I have said has come to fruition, I’ve been offered a lot of money for some of my names, both .com and GTLDs, but it’s not enough ...
He questioned what gives XYZ some worth. I think he was correct in that assessment.
 

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No one is against you, and .XYZ only became a "thing" recently and really only highly profitable for a small handful of people as a domain investment.

You say things like we need to "come together" without even really expanding on what that means.

I simply don't see the value proposition in new gTLDs. When you have (1) total six figure sale (outside .XYZ) in new extensions in the last year, over 1000+ extensions, it doesn't seem highly lucrative.

The confusion over different registration rates, renewal rates, premium tiers, etc. makes it even less appealing for me.

What does "come together" mean - promote investments I don't believe in?



That's fine, though .XYZ works the same way as other extensions. It is kind of weird to be promoting an extension that operates the same way, then refer to it as advancement of technology.

If you were arguing for blockchain domains or some other system that would make more sense.



No one is trying to. That is a strawman argument.
The free market will decide.



I will say that I didn't foresee a day where one person would have such a stranglehold on the .XYZ resale market. Outside a few people the .XYZ investment proposition has not really changed all that much IMO.

I guess one major difference is .XYZ has introduced "premium" registration and renewal tiers for almost any decent terms. I would not want to invest in a registry that is directly competing against me as an investor.

Brad

The advancement of technology in this case is the tied in compatibility of .xyz being the only domain .extension that has both ENS and DNC access ... it is the only example I have witnessed where decentralized parties (.xyz) coexist with centralized parties (DNS)

And so what does that mean, well for starters, .xyz can be accessed via the world wide web and web3 meaning you can use your domain as a wallet that is readable on the blockchain

Doesn’t sound so stupid now

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If you got in early you pay a standard renewal even on the best keywords

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To come together ... maybe that is broad @bmugford ... the idea is simple, crypto currency companies and alternative coin companies don’t debate or argue against each other to a point where distrust is created in the investment system ^ maybe they agree that one is better then the other and they state there reasons, but they don’t bash against each other personally

ENS did a deal with .xyz / not .com / not .net / not .whatever ^ they came together and made something more valuable ^ now you know why web3 companies are gobbling up .xyz domains
 
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And so what does that mean, well for starters, .xyz can be accessed via the world wide web and web3 meaning you can use your domain as a wallet that is readable on the blockchain

Doesn’t sound so stupid now

It also doesn't sound that unique.

You can use legacy extensions like .COM, .ORG, and others on the ETH blockchain as well.

You can see the following on ENS website -

ENS.jpg
 
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To come together ... maybe that is broad @bmugford ... the idea is simple, crypto currency companies and alternative coin companies don’t debate or argue against each other to a point where distrust is created in the investment system ^ maybe they agree that one is better then the other and they state there reasons, but they don’t bash against each other personally
Well, maybe they should then.

Many people lose their life savings in scams, rug pulls, exchanges disappearing with funds, "stable coins" (Luna) crashing to $0, and networks fully shutting down (Celsius).

The same is true with "meme stocks".

You can't build an investment on an echo chamber. Sooner or later an investment needs to stand up under scrutiny.

Maybe there should be more questioning and skepticism.

Brad
 
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It also doesn't sound that unique.

You can use legacy extensions like .COM, .ORG, and others on the ETH blockchain as well.

You can see the following on ENS website -

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Cough my friend @bmugford .xyz was the first to open the door to web3 just as .com was the first to open the door to the www

And this is exactly what I’m talking about, ENS partnering with new .extensions and .com ^ that’s wonderful news !
 

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Well, maybe that should then.

Many people lose their life savings in scams, rug pulls, exchanges disappearing with funds, "stable coins" (Luna) crashing to $0, and networks fully shutting down (Celsius).

Brad

I’m well aware of those alternative cryptos ... you have to be aware of your surroundings, you have to have a feel, I get it ^ you feel the same way about GTLDs

My example is more in line with BTC being .com and .xyz being Polygon ...

We could list many analogies but at the end of the day, it proves my point, we are both investors with different points of views but we hold something valuable, wether it is a single keyword .com domain or a new .extension with a matching combination ^

Why are the rich spending their $ on digital pictures that can be screenshotted and turned into a JPEG ... there is no value here ^ the technology “blockchain technology” is valuable ^ the latter, no

Pure speculative investment turned into something that even hedge funds are willing to park their $ in

I mean don’t take my advice, look at SEDO, I messaged their CMO “Christian” after seeing the results ^ of the Great Domains Auction (2022)

Are we not looking to grow the value of .com and the domain name industry as a whole ! People called me a lot of four letter words, they had the impression I was looking to destroy the value of what has made you all a lot of money hence you’ll support it to your graves ...

That was never my intention, I’d like for us to co-exist and build value and you say “how Alessandro” ... these auction houses listen to you guys, you’re the investors, you can make ideas and opinions happen because they trust your better judgement

Mark my words ^ wether you say it or someone else does ^ this will be the case; I stand by it to the Fullest Degree
 
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Open the door?
Technically the first domain is not even a .COM. It is Nordu.net.

Creation Date: 1985-01-01

It took almost another (3) years to get to the next 100 registrations.

Brad
 
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Are we not looking to grow the value of .com and the domain name industry as a whole ! People called me a lot of four letter words, they had the impression I was looking to destroy the value of what has made you all a lot of money hence you’ll support it to your graves ...

That was never my intention, I’d like for us to co-exist and build value and you say “how Alessandro” ... these auction houses listen to you guys, you’re the investors, you can make ideas and opinions happen because they trust your better judgement

Mark my words ^ wether you say it or someone else does ^ this will be the case; I stand by it to the Fullest Degree

My only issue with .XYZ is I (still) don't see it as a value proposition when it comes to an investment, especially now with premium registration & renewal tiers.

If you want to invest in it, more power to you.

Brad
 
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Technically the first domain is not even a .COM. It is Nordu.net.

Creation Date: 1985-01-01

It took almost another (3) years to get to the next 100 registrations.

Brad

You and me both know that to be true

But don’t be a smart @$$

.com is the first to revolutionize the www as a whole and create a new industry that bridges the gap between business and online

The same is happening here ^ it’s just this time you’re the phone book company telling me I can’t make it in the internet industry ... funny how time changes things
 

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My only issue with .XYZ is I (still) don't see it as a value proposition when it comes to an investment, especially now with premium registration & renewal tiers.

If you want to invest in it, more power to you.

Brad

I understand, to be fair I only own a few exact match keywords in the .extension, quality examples

More so my point was in reference to premium GTLD combinations that make sense ^

As I said to you many years ago, I’m not a genie, I just have a good feeling about what I’m talking about and wether or not you invest, many others will over time, that time factor is important ^ it’s the difference in 5 years and 20 years
 
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The same is happening here ^ it’s just this time you’re the phone book company telling me I can’t make it in the internet industry ... funny how time changes things
Another strawman. You are arguing against a point that has not been made.

I literally said the exact opposite earlier in this thread -

@DNGear found her niche. There is no reason others can't if the money is there.
 
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Another strawman. You are arguing against a point that has not been made.

Brad

In 1985 were you investing in Internet realestate ?

Did you believe the Internet would become as big as it is today (20) years ago
 

WNC HOLDINGS

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MAD…
These two guys are forum spammers, watch your account and wallet.

They bait post, to keep threads alive to show strength to get credit to then pull a move. Whether it’s to show people the carry threads and sell services or what but whatever it is, the topic always revert back to the same thing, GTLD. and they know that will be a hit button, that will get people going.

I am an enabler to these post, that will stop now…. we just have to stop replying to the nonsense now or they’ll continue to feed these threads to get likes and dislikes so they look like someone.

Seen it, know it, lived it.

This is not a post for WNC or
Alessandro to reply…..😡
Watch your account and wallet”? Whatever this statement is meant imply doesn’t align with our core-values and practices. To make such as assertion speaks to a misalignment in your interpretation of our posts and how we’ve engaged since joining this platform. We get it. Some people feel anything alternative is somehow negative. Simply remember that everyone won‘t be an ally; but it doesn’t mean they have to be an enemy by default.

Best Regards,

Chris
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Watch your account and wallet”? Whatever this statement is meant imply doesn’t align with our core-values and practices. To make such as assertion speaks to a misalignment in your interpretation of our posts and how we’ve engaged since joining this platform. We get it. Some people feel anything alternative is somehow negative. Simply remember that everyone won‘t be an ally; but it doesn’t mean they have to be an enemy by default.

Best Regards,

Chris
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Unless you want to clarify who you actually represent using "we", "our", etc. is just weird.

Brad
 

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Unless you want to clarify who you actually represent using "we", "our", etc. is just weird.

Brad
The guy is trying to sell us his book. So he just uses the "we" as if we are his potential customers. :xf.grin:

One guy trying to sell us the new .blockchain useless extensions because, you know, there is no censor and no renewals lol

And the other one trying to sell us the new .nondotcom extensions, as if they are really new... new gtld extensions have been already here for years and they have shown they are not even close to the king .com

.com has been, is, and will be in the near future, the daddy of the rest of .nondotcom extensions. And it is what it is, no matter how much they try to sell us "the future". The future is nothing. The present is everything.
 

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The guy is trying to sell us his book. So he just uses the "we" as if we are his potential customers. :xf.grin:

One guy trying to sell us the new .blockchain useless extensions because, you know, there is no censor and no renewals lol

And the other one trying to sell us the new .nondotcom extensions, as if they are really new... new gtld extensions have been already here for years and they have shown they are not even close to the king .com

.com has been, is, and will be in the near future, the daddy of the rest of .nondotcom extensions. And it is what it is, no matter how much they try to sell us "the future". The future is nothing. The present is everything.

No one is selling you anything here man, not sure where you got that connotation

I believe what I said was taken out of context; if you do not want to invest in prime examples of GTLDs, there’s no reason to “dog” over them, it is your words that effect the market

But again it doesn’t matter what you say or do ^ time is of the essence

Mark my words, there will be seven figure GTLD sales in the near future
 

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@poweredbyme read the exact post everyone else read; and “chose” to answer the question that was emphasized from the onset:

“Now, there’s a simple question we’d like to pose:

WHAT ARE THE CONS OF THE .COM?”

Needless to say, everyone reads and interprets things differently. We don’t find fault in anyone’s interpretation of the post. We truly appreciate anyone who took time out to read and respond. (Regardless of their stance.)

No matter how it’s framed, the proverbial picture stays the same though. The question was clearly posed; and could’ve been answered similarly. Providing “choice views” was always optional; but they definitely revealed a lot here.

I don't get what you mean. I answered your question, the CONS of COM, you liked my answer and then you posted the above confused thing. I just answered your question, listed 3 negatives of COM. Is your question something different? Is my answer not satisfactory? If you try to say I didn't vote, yes I didn't. Because it's not clear what to vote. The most clear thing in your original post is your question, the cons of com. The rest is not clear. You want to say something in your original post but it's not clear.

For me, from technical view point, all extensions are the same. If you ask my opinion on why is com king, there is only one reason: It's the first of its kind. Therefore it's the most known. That's typical for all the firsts. However com differs in one point. Usually the followers are upgraded version of the first. For instance bitcoin is the first one of its kind and its followers have better technology. I don't see the similar pattern in domain extensions. All the ICAAN regulated extensions have the exact same technology. Com, net, org, info and hundreds of extensions technically are the exact same things with different names.
 

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Watch your account and wallet”? Whatever this statement is meant imply doesn’t align with our core-values and practices. To make such as assertion speaks to a misalignment in your interpretation of our posts and how we’ve engaged since joining this platform. We get it. Some people feel anything alternative is somehow negative. Simply remember that everyone won‘t be an ally; but it doesn’t mean they have to be an enemy by default.

Best Regards,

Chris
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Exactly, +1.

I wouldn't put too much credibility into someone who accuses you of spam, backs up another who actually spams night and day if you dig into their posts. Look at his signature:

"Today`s Domainer" A dreamer, gambler, speculator, cheap, compulsive, and confused by reality.

Really? Who's the one confused here? This person actually seems the perfect fit for a thread "the cons of dot-com", and yet they admonish you. Combined with their links in the signature, tells a bit of the story.

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Alessandro has always been a valuable contributor to the merits of new G's, without downplaying the continual importance of dot-com. And this is where a few of us stand, yet people only see what they want, not what's really there.
 
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Exactly, +1.

I wouldn't put too much credibility into someone who accuses you of spam, backs up another who actually spams night and day if you dig into their posts. Look at his signature:



Really? Who's the one confused here? This person actually seems the perfect fit for a thread "the cons of dot-com", and yet they admonish you. Combined with their links in the signature, tells a bit of the story.

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Alessandro has always been a valuable contributor to the merits of new G's, without downplaying the continual importance of dot-com. And this is where a few of us stand, yet people only see what they want, not what's really there.
Thank for your observant reply, your reply was appreciated. I’m glad you came in to this thread and replied . I want to hug you, your opinion matters and we value your time. 😂😂 The WNC,AC team!
Such BS lmao…..

Every thread they start swings back to their agenda (that’s spamming)
And the truth hurts, my signature says it all….😂 it’s perfect for this thread.

"Today`s Domainer" A dreamer, gambler, speculator, cheap, compulsive, and confused by reality.

By the way, My signature has been this for 12 years, that should tell you a lot, y’all are not the only ones who have debated gtlds and then poof! 🤔
 

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I don't get what you mean. I answered your question, the CONS of COM, you liked my answer and then you posted the above confused thing. I just answered your question, listed 3 negatives of COM. Is your question something different? Is my answer not satisfactory? If you try to say I didn't vote, yes I didn't. Because it's not clear what to vote. The most clear thing in your original post is your question, the cons of com. The rest is not clear. You want to say something in your original post but it's not clear.

For me, from technical view point, all extensions are the same. If you ask my opinion on why is com king, there is only one reason: It's the first of its kind. Therefore it's the most known. That's typical for all the firsts. However com differs in one point. Usually the followers are upgraded version of the first. For instance bitcoin is the first one of its kind and its followers have better technology. I don't see the similar pattern in domain extensions. All the ICAAN regulated extensions have the exact same technology. Com, net, org, info and hundreds of extensions technically are the exact same things with different names.
@poweredbyme,

It seems you MAY have misinterpreted our response. It’s very much positive.

We were simply highlighting the fact you read the same post many others read and kept focused on the question by providing the clear, and very insightful, answer you provided.

The fact we were responding to someone else, but also referenced you, might be where the confusion came in. It was nothing negative.

We were genuine with the upvote and our response. We’ve set a record for downvotes thus far; but we aren’t shy about pointing out a balanced and fair response like yours. Kudos!

We’re not the bad guys or making anyone else out to be one either. Despite the votes. (Smiles)
 
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HotKey

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Thank for your observant reply, your reply was appreciated. I’m glad you came in to this thread and replied . I want to hug you, your opinion matters and we value your time. 😂😂 The WNC,AC team!
Such BS lmao…..

Every thread they start swings back to their agenda (that’s spamming)
And the truth hurts, my signature says it all….😂 it’s perfect for this thread.

"Today`s Domainer" A dreamer, gambler, speculator, cheap, compulsive, and confused by reality.

By the way, My signature has been this for 12 years, that should tell you a lot, y’all are not the only ones who have debated gtlds and then poof! 🤔

Oh, I am not poof, I assure you. And my buyers sites they have built upon my new gTLDs, have not gone poof either.

Agendas? Please. Mine are merits on good domain names. What's yours? I support the many nuances to domain investing as well, I think it is crucial to appreciating the past and giving credence to the future. This, for me, also includes stuff that doesn't typically meet popular logic.

That ok with you? Because I think WNC bringing up the downsides to is something long overdue and deserves a lauding for its against-the-grain subject.

I have never hidden the complexities in new gTLD investing, and I don't see a reason why we should hide the cons to dot-com.

- another con: it blinds people to the reality that domain investing has a big failure rate for newcomers. Something that is so popular seems lucrative and easy on the surface.
 

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The guy is trying to sell us his book. So he just uses the "we" as if we are his potential customers. :xf.grin:

One guy trying to sell us the new .blockchain useless extensions because, you know, there is no censor and no renewals lol

And the other one trying to sell us the new .nondotcom extensions, as if they are really new... new gtld extensions have been already here for years and they have shown they are not even close to the king .com

.com has been, is, and will be in the near future, the daddy of the rest of .nondotcom extensions. And it is what it is, no matter how much they try to sell us "the future". The future is nothing. The present is everything.
Here’s some simple communication math:


Chris (Admin for WNC HOLDINGS NP profile)

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We (Acknowledgment of our team’s viewpoint)

=

A genuine, and rather selfless, formality.


The goal is to STAY positive, engaging and creatively challenge the status quo outlook on domain investing here. We want every investor here to thrive. In today’s climate, we know that might be hard to believe; but it’s the truth.

Nevertheless, we are both genuine and do care.

Lead with respect in the face of fire is our approach. Nothing less.

@Alessandro Couteau @HotKey
 
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