.tv The cleaning up of a toxic wasteland.

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Firstly for those who are still posting as though I am negative on all the changes being made at the moment, Give it up!

I’ve told people for 10 years this extension was awful for domainers due to pricing and now that is changing. It is time to take a very hard look at these changes, because when fundamentals change your position *must* be revaluated. You can say the chocolate bar is lousy value when priced at $10, but when it is 50 cents that is a completely different proposition.

Opportunities Versus Waste

The current .tv auctions & sales will create opportunities, there will also be money wasted by people getting hyped up and expecting unrealistic things, the people who get in at the right price and make sensible realistic decision will make money. Personally I think a lot more money is going to be wasted than made but that it is true of other alt tlds as well. However there will be opportunities.

New recession pricing.

What Verisign are doing is mixing up the entire landscape. The jig appears to be up on premium pricing. Personally I’m surprised by their move. The number of people who still think those names are worth buying is perhaps limited and change may well have been forced on Verisign, change due to lack of revenue, change due to people realizing they were duped, not duped as in Verisign stole from them, duped as in they made stupid decisions and Verisign played the game far better.

“Once announced, there could be a domain buying frenzy and you could lose out on some quality names.”

Enom itself have sent people an email using the word “frenzy”. That is the hope, a frenzy, a frenzy of bad decisions, impulse purchases, first in best dressed! Be careful…the donkey might well win this race. Make sure you are in a very sober state before hitting the register button on anything.

Enom and Verisign not your friends.

Verisign and Enom are not on your side, they never were and they haven’t changed…they do want your money back though, and they are getting it.

In one sense they won round one when everyone overpaid for premium stuff for years…..they lost round two when most people walked away, England.tv anyone? So a change now is an attempt to salvage something, to get the speculator money flowing again. It is a good thing and I’m in favour of the change, but it is very likely grounded upon falling revenue. Don’t kid yourself, they are not trying to do you a favour.

Now we have round three, who will win? I don’t know.

Cleaning up a toxic wasteland

What we are seeing now is the transformation of .tv as an investment from a “toxic wasteland” to whatever happens to toxic wastelands when they are cleaned up and made fit for habitation (made investment worthy). How do you turn sub prime into something less sub? You try and take out all the bad bits and hope people will like what is left. In truth cleaning out probably takes longer than people might think, is full of mistakes and often leaves a bad smell and bad sentiment for a long time.

The fundamentals of .tv development are still what they always were, most of those geo’s still have no really clear business model apart from something “broad” and the development efforts are unlikely to be any better than in past. Producing quality video isn’t cheap or easy.

So .tv is terms of domaining is getting better, development wise things haven’t changed much except the holding costs are coming down to something more palatable for 2010.

Oversupply

Keep in mind a few things, firstly there is likely to be a lot of premium .tv offered, there is 50,000+ names on this list and it look like they want to sell them all off. Enom priced names in the main at one years reg fee in their email offer. If we say assume that average price of roughly $1800, that is $90,000,000 worth of stock they have to sell.

Obviously either there is going to be a decade+ of oversupply in the market or names will be sold via auction or private sale for far lower than many would have thought.

So whilst this new pricing makes a lot more sense than before it is only an attempt to put it on a similar level to other alt extensions. It is a bit like .mobi where there needs to be dozens of auctions to get rid of everything. Ok .tv is far more well known, but .tv does have baggage.

The Baggage

The main issue that is likely to linger is confusion about pricing. That will dissipate gradually over time, but there will still be confusion for years. Sedo will still have to run those warning messages about premium pricing for some time (unless Verisign gives everyone a free conversion-which I think is unlikely). The general developer community will still be cautious “don’t some of those names have $1000 per year renewals?”.

Correct pricing

So when the auctions start (and I expect lots of them), personally I don’t think we’ll see huge prices. I doubt Business.tv will be getting 6 figures. I look at California.tv which looks to have been bought for 25k and I really wonder if that makes sense. Is anything really going to happen with a name like this after novelty of a great keyword wears off? It is cheaper than in the past but is it cheap? I think once things have settled, say in 6 months time things will be a lot clear on valuations. I think it will take a few auctions before the situation is clear on what these names are likely to be worth. Again it comes to back to supply. That is something that could be easily ignored at the start when hype levels are highest.

Having said all that this is obviously the biggest opportunity in .tv ever, because basically there was very few opportunities in the past aside from the rare mispriced name or names with traffic. Play you cards carefully, and be the donkey, that is my advice. There is 50,000+ names coming down the pipeline so beware the “frenzy”.
 
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Excellent Post Snoop.

Repped.
 
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Welcome to dot tv.
 
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Wonderful post. Sums my mind up :)
 
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One thing to consider is that what Enom considers premium. I looked over their list and the majority of it is junk that will never sell. Freeze.tv, FS9.tv , FreeLSD.tv etc etc are all considered premium names.

The cream is being skimmed but I would whole heartedly agree to be cautious and not over buy as with any extension there will be too many flippers and not enough buyers for some time to come.
 
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A well laid out, well thought out post. Thank you.

By the way, I do appreciate the reference to the donkey(twice!) B-)
 
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The Tuvalu ".TV" is the shorter .MOBI with lipstick :p for all intents and purposes ... and it's going to face even further stagnation & obstacles including dilution down the road with the release of the highly brandable .WEB along with many more, new TLD's IMHO. :gl: :talk:

Over time, ".TV" market prices will head lower and lower ... lots of hype still from remaining enthuiasts, but very little substance; no real content and unique developments (which, in the same analogy, is the same lack of developed "ecosystem" that ultimately buried the .MOBI, IMHO).

Current euphoria aside, lots of landmines and toxins ahead for this sideways extension! :tri: :imho:

Nice post,
Jeff B-)
 
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I never thought I'd say this......Nice post snoop. :)
 
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The Tuvalu ".TV" is the shorter .MOBI with lipstick :p for all intents and purposes ... and it's going to face even further stagnation & obstacles including dilution down the road with the release of the highly brandable .WEB along with many more, new TLD's IMHO. :gl: :talk:

Over time, ".TV" market prices will head lower and lower ... lots of hype still from remaining enthuiasts, but very little substance; no real content and unique developments (which, in the same analogy, is the same lack of developed "ecosystem" that ultimately buried the .MOBI, IMHO).

Current euphoria aside, lots of landmines and toxins ahead for this sideways extension! :tri: :imho:

Nice post,
Jeff B-)

Your critiques are always welcome here, Jeff!

Thank you for your thoughts.
 
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Peace,
Jeff B-)
 
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Snoop, that was an excellent post to start this thread.
 
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snoop great post
 
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While I always thought of (most) .TV premiums as an over valued neighborhood, as opposed to a "toxic wasteland", your post is well reasoned and well timed.
 
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novelty? if california where its own nation it would be the worlds 8th largest economy. 35 million people call it home. most of them watch television. wheres the novelty?

the only reason i didnt buy it is that dollar for dollar i found even better deals.

Where is the obvious business model for the name? (esp for a domainer) Videos about California?
 
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what good would it do me, or you, to try to explain? even if i wanted to i wouldnt. dont expect me to just give away whats taken me years of thoughtful consideration to see. if its not obvious to you what it could be used for then thats not my fault or problem. i wish you the best and all snoop but the opportuity that geo names represent to me is about a lot more than making a few bucks on a flip or "developing" in order to enhance value for an eventual sale.

The best explanation is probably in what domainers had done with similar geos over the years, and that is absolutely nothing. Removal of premium reg fees won't change the development outlook much for those names.
 
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I can't believe I just repped Snoop for a post on .tv!

The changes just keep on coming.
 
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Where is the obvious business model for the name? (esp for a domainer) Videos about California?

this is silly statement, Geo domaining is a great well documented niche with loads of prior sales across every tld and cctld. It makes perfect sense from an investment, development standpoint IMO.
 
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