sales Templars.com Sold For $10,203 (10 year LTO) At Unstoppable Domains

[silentg]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970630496171209142

Posting this sale for discussion. This is the longest LTO sale I have seen.

 

[draco]

It was registered in 2020. Maybe after 5 years the Seller thought that's the best offer they could get.

I'm surprised the Buyer would give permission to make the sale public. If you found out a crypto company had to lease a $10,000 domain over 10 years, how much confidence would you have in them? I guess some people could think they're frugal, which would be a good thing. But that wasn't my first thought.

 

[Gabriel360]

That's a 120-month LTO deal.

That translates to about $85 per month.

That's the most UNREASONABLE LTO term I've ever seen.

Ridiculous!

Unless the buyer made a mistake and actually intended to set a 10-month term.

 

[JohnDomainer]

That's scary. Leasing for $85/mo to a crypto venture with high chances of rug pulling, good luck on using this domain again.

 

[silentg]

Atom cancelled LTO sales because of crypto scams.

Yeah if i was the seller, i would keep an eye on the project to make sure they're not doing anything shady.


Tony sold Templar.co for 7,499 EUR

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970701375706181865

 

[pb]

I wouldn't do it. I offer "normal" leasing (not-to-own) at 1% of BIN. Here we have LTO where every instalment is <1% of BIN. No way. But well, money is money, maybe the owner prefers this kind of deal to no deal at all.

PS. This "sale" should be posted 10 years from now. Unless it's meant as a warning, then fine.

 

[Gabriel360]

That's scary. Leasing for $85/mo to a crypto venture with high chances of rug pulling, good luck on using this domain again.

That's another perspective.

I didn't even consider the use case before I made my original comment. The terms of the deal are just so objectively HORRIBLE.

Getting $85 on a $10K sale is just TERRIBLE.

But seeing that it's a RELIGIOUS crypto-project just makes it even worse.

The project is most likely some kind of GRIFT. And they'd spend a lot of money promoting the project to get more victims to rug pull. So the domain name would be inextricably linked to the grift and be forever TARNISHED.

And the seller might not get more than $1500 out of this deal if that happens to be the case.

But even if the project is genuine and not a grift, it's still a BAD deal for the seller.

 

[pb]

Getting $85 on a $10K sale is just TERRIBLE.

$10k for this domain is not even a good price to begin with...

 

[DanSanchez]

That's another perspective.

I didn't even consider the use case before I made my original comment. The terms of the deal are just so objectively HORRIBLE.

Getting $85 on a $10K sale is just TERRIBLE.

But seeing that it's a RELIGIOUS crypto-project just makes it even worse.

The project is most likely some kind of GRIFT. And they'd spend a lot of money promoting the project to get more victims to rug pull. So the domain name would be inextricably linked to the grift and be forever TARNISHED.

And the seller might not get more than $1500 out of this deal if that happens to be the case.

But even if the project is genuine and not a grift, it's still a BAD deal for the seller.

First, this isn’t a “crypto project” in the sense many are thinking. There’s no token, no rug pull, no speculative play here. This is a Bitcoin-only holding company with a Christ-first mission.

It’s easy to post emotionally charged comments on a thread while remaining fully anonymous, but I would encourage anyone to at least look into what the project is about before jumping to conclusions.

We have several projects already in motion, all of them self-funded. No outside capital has been sought, and likely never will. Templars.com was a domain I had my eye on for over a year, and I pursued the seller through multiple marketplaces before we reached this agreement. In my view, it worked out well for both sides.

Finally, this acquisition is about foundation, far from speculation. Templars.com will serve as the cornerstone for building companies, media, and education aligned with Biblical truth and Bitcoin’s incorruptible standard.

Every project we've launched so far has been far from rent-seeking. For example, BitcoinPension.com encourages users to remain fully sovereign in their holdings while pointing them to the most stable and transparent Bitcoin broker-dealers in the industry.

In any case, I'm happy to discuss and welcome discussion/criticism.

 

[JohnDomainer]

It’s easy to post emotionally charged comments on a thread

I don't think anyone was emotionally charged while commenting. We just commented on a public transaction that we were neither on the seller nor on the buyer side.

while remaining fully anonymous,

There's no internet-wide KYC enforcement, so yes, a public thread might attract anonymous comments.

Other than that, I wish both the seller and the buyer best of luck.

 

[Gabriel360]

First, this isn’t a “crypto project” in the sense many are thinking. There’s no token, no rug pull, no speculative play here. This is a Bitcoin-only holding company with a Christ-first mission.

It’s easy to post emotionally charged comments on a thread while remaining fully anonymous, but I would encourage anyone to at least look into what the project is about before jumping to conclusions.

We have several projects already in motion, all of them self-funded. No outside capital has been sought, and likely never will. Templars.com was a domain I had my eye on for over a year, and I pursued the seller through multiple marketplaces before we reached this agreement. In my view, it worked out well for both sides.

Finally, this acquisition is about foundation, far from speculation. Templars.com will serve as the cornerstone for building companies, media, and education aligned with Biblical truth and Bitcoin’s incorruptible standard.

Every project we've launched so far has been far from rent-seeking. For example, BitcoinPension.com encourages users to remain fully sovereign in their holdings while pointing them to the most stable and transparent Bitcoin broker-dealers in the industry.

In any case, I'm happy to discuss and welcome discussion/criticism.

First of all, it's UNCLEAR why you quoted my post and dubbed it "emotionally charged".

The goal of that post was to point out that this particular deal was a TERRIBLE one for the seller. I also speculated on the possibility of the project being a scam or GRIFT. But my last paragraph pointed out that even if the project wasn't a scam or GRIFT, it was still a bad deal for the seller.

There is NOTHING "emotionally charged" in that post. I just pointed out that scam or no scam, it remains an OBJECTIVELY bad deal for the seller. MANY people on this thread agree with that.

Now, let me show you "emotionally charged".

Terms like "christ-first mission" and "BIBLICAL truths" when used in relation to a business entity is the language of a GRIFT.

The moment a business entity is trying to differentiate their business by injecting a Christian, or any religious, theme into it is the moment they become GUILTY of GRIFTING. And the potential victims are the adherents of that religion, in this case Christians.

It means you are trying to appropriate the GOODWILL of that religion without doing the work of creating an INDEPENDENT reputation for your own business.

What is the difference between a Bitcoin Holding and a Bitcoin Holding with a "christ-first mission"?

GRIFT!
That's what.

Plus, you mentioned that the domain name shall be the foundation for several INCREDIBLE projects in the future but the seller is only gonna be getting $85 per month over the EXTREMELY LONG period of 10 years for it.

Now, back to this:

"In my view, it worked out well for both sides."

This is YOUR view. And you are entitled to it.

MY "emotionally charged" view is that you got a GREAT deal with the LTO terms and the seller got a HORRIBLE deal.

 

[alcy]

plz cap lto at 5
there is a reason everyone else does

10yr is too long

 

[alop]

5x5 is 23

sorry can't see what gaybrill said

Congrats to seller and buyer

 

[DanSanchez]

First of all, it's UNCLEAR why you quoted my post and dubbed it "emotionally charged".

The goal of that post was to point out that this particular deal was a TERRIBLE one for the seller. I also speculated on the possibility of the project being a scam or GRIFT. But my last paragraph pointed out that even if the project wasn't a scam or GRIFT, it was still a bad deal for the seller.

There is NOTHING "emotionally charged" in that post. I just pointed out that scam or no scam, it remains an OBJECTIVELY bad deal for the seller. MANY people on this thread agree with that.

Now, let me show you "emotionally charged".

Terms like "christ-first mission" and "BIBLICAL truths" when used in relation to a business entity is the language of a GRIFT.

The moment a business entity is trying to differentiate their business by injecting a Christian, or any religious, theme into it is the moment they become GUILTY of GRIFTING. And the potential victims are the adherents of that religion, in this case Christians.

It means you are trying to appropriate the GOODWILL of that religion without doing the work of creating an INDEPENDENT reputation for your own business.

What is the difference between a Bitcoin Holding and a Bitcoin Holding with a "christ-first mission"?

GRIFT!
That's what.

Plus, you mentioned that the domain name shall be the foundation for several INCREDIBLE projects in the future but the seller is only gonna be getting $85 per month over the EXTREMELY LONG period of 10 years for it.

Now, back to this:

This is YOUR view. And you are entitled to it.

MY "emotionally charged" view is that you got a GREAT deal with the LTO terms and the seller got a HORRIBLE deal.

There’s nothing unusual about a business openly dedicating its labor to Christ. Some of the longest-lasting enterprises in history were explicitly faith-founded. The Templars are one example: they built financial systems, infrastructure, and communities that endured because they operated under vows. That history has always spoken to me, and it aligns with the years I’ve spent building publicly.

You call “Christ-first” a grift, but that is your projection. Declaring values openly is my discipline. It sets the standard for every decision before the work even begins.

The seller listed, and I bought. Equal and voluntary exchange of value. Many here would have taken the same deal if it had been in front of them, and I've been a domainer for well over 15 years. If what bothers some is that this name will not be flipped, it was a great deal, and it's actually put to work, then let it be so. I’ll take the misguided criticism as confirmation that I am exactly where I should be. The projects will stand on their own merit, wasn't asking for your penance. Non nobis, Domine.

 

[Future Sensors]

There’s nothing unusual about a business openly dedicating its labor to Christ. Some of the longest-lasting enterprises in history were explicitly faith-founded. The Templars are one example: they built financial systems, infrastructure, and communities that endured because they operated under vows. That history has always spoken to me, and it aligns with the years I’ve spent building publicly.

Was that also the motivation behind your decision to develop for Epik / Rob Monster at the time?

 

[DanSanchez]

Was that also the motivation behind your decision to develop for Epik / Rob Monster at the time?

Ironically, when Rob first met me I was openly mocking religion and considered myself an atheist. He actually mentored me back into faith, we had weekly meetings called "Fast Brothers" and that group of men (mostly outside of Epik) can surely be credited for saving my life.

 

[Gabriel360]

There’s nothing unusual about a business openly dedicating its labor to Christ. Some of the longest-lasting enterprises in history were explicitly faith-founded. The Templars are one example: they built financial systems, infrastructure, and communities that endured because they operated under vows. That history has always spoken to me, and it aligns with the years I’ve spent building publicly.

You call “Christ-first” a grift, but that is your projection. Declaring values openly is my discipline. It sets the standard for every decision before the work even begins.

The seller listed, and I bought. Equal and voluntary exchange of value. Many here would have taken the same deal if it had been in front of them, and I've been a domainer for well over 15 years. If what bothers some is that this name will not be flipped, it was a great deal, and it's actually put to work, then let it be so. I’ll take the misguided criticism as confirmation that I am exactly where I should be. The projects will stand on their own merit, wasn't asking for your penance. Non nobis, Domine.

Rob Monster, the Epik scammer, could not have said it better. He also ran a similar Christ-first "Kingdom Ventures".

He also perfected the act of SELF-PERSECUTION much like you.

That said, I maintain that mixing religion and business is a GRIFT. Religious bodies like the original Templars going into business is still more understandable than BUSINESS-FIRST entities who are forcefully insisting that they are "christ-first".

Even the original Templars were grifters. They were a Catholic Military bodies that took the donations and gifts given to them and turned into a banking business.

It got so bad that their Military might was weakened in favour of their business pursuits that they lost their territory in somewhere called the Holy Land.

At the end of the day, both the King and the Pope at the time turned AGAINST them and some of them BURNED at the stake.

Bear in mind that this was at a time when religion was FAR STRONGER than it is today. Yet a Christian fighting force lost public sympathy, Papal and Royal support.

Why?

Because EVERYONE saw them for there grifters they were.

Mixing religion and business is the beginning of a GRIFT.

Finally, I am available for more "emotionally charged" comments.

 

[pb]

First, this isn’t a “crypto project” in the sense many are thinking. There’s no token, no rug pull, no speculative play here. This is a Bitcoin-only holding company with a Christ-first mission.
(...)
We have several projects already in motion, all of them self-funded. No outside capital has been sought, and likely never will.

Could you look really closely and let me know if some of that bitcoin are my coins "lost" with the Masterbucks account? Thanks in advance!

 

[DanSanchez]

Rob Monster, the Epik scammer, could not have said it better. He also ran a similar Christ-first "Kingdom Ventures".

He also perfected the act of SELF-PERSECUTION much like you.

That said, I maintain that mixing religion and business is a GRIFT. Religious bodies like the original Templars going into business is still more understandable than BUSINESS-FIRST entities who are forcefully insisting that they are "christ-first".

Even the original Templars were grifters. They were a Catholic Military bodies that took the donations and gifts given to them and turned into a banking business.

It got so bad that their Military might was weakened in favour of their business pursuits that they lost their territory in somewhere called the Holy Land.

At the end of the day, both the King and the Pope at the time turned AGAINST them and some of them BURNED at the stake.

Bear in mind that this was at a time when religion was FAR STRONGER than it is today. Yet a Christian fighting force lost public sympathy, Papal and Royal support.

Why?

Because EVERYONE saw them for there grifters they were.

Mixing religion and business is the beginning of a GRIFT.

Finally, I am available for more "emotionally charged" comments.

The irony here is that you’re so eager to throw “grift” at everything that you end up rewriting history to fit your bias.

The Templars were not grifters. They took vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. Their banking system came centuries before modern finance, and it was built to protect pilgrims from theft on dangerous roads. They were stewards in a world that prosecuted individuals for their beliefs. Their order fell because a king in debt to them colluded with a pope to crush them. Your confidence exceeds your historical perspective.

You repeat the same projection when you see “Christ-first” today. To you it signals deception. To me it signals accountability. Declaring my allegiance to Christ sets a higher standard than profit or applause. If that makes you uncomfortable, good. It means the line is drawn clearly.

As for business, I built NameLiquidate while at Epik, and it still operates under the same rules we set. That is verifiable, transparent fruit of my labor. I left Epik long before its collapse, and I carry none of that baggage.

You can keep calling me a grifter if it pleases you, but the record stands: vows built the Templars, projection fuels your comments, and my work continues.

Non nobis, Domine.

 

[DanSanchez]

Could you look really closely and let me know if some of that bitcoin are my coins "lost" with the Masterbucks account? Thanks in advance!

Thankfully my role was NL, it was the main reason I was hired at Epik. But please, if you believe what you’re implying, name it openly and prove it. Otherwise, keep your fantasies to yourself.