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Here is a comprehensive strategy for buying domains at Expiring/Deleting Domain Auctions, as of Sept 2015. This process describes how the process of capturing .COM/.NET domains work.

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PRE-RELEASE DOMAIN AUCTIONS

A Pre-Release Domain Auction is an Auction for a domain which has Expired but which can still be renewed or transferred out (restrictions apply.. see below) by the current Registrant.

This is the first stage of the domain dropping process. From 0-45 days after expiry. (The Auto-Renew Grace Period, in ICANN speak). All Pre-Release Auctions end whilst the Registrar still has control of the domain before Day 45 after expiry. On day 46 the domain is given back by the Registrar to the Registry and it will definitely be deleted. There are only very rare exceptions. Renewal (the renewal price plus the Registrar's penalty) by the original Registrant is the most common.

Usually these Auctions begin at most Registrars or Drop Catchers at around 35 days after expiry (varies with Auctioneer) and the domain has still not been renewed by the current Registrant.

The main venues for these auctions are either at a Registrar which has an Auction System, like GoDaddy, or at Snapnames/NameJet which have entered into agreements with some Registrars to be the sole Auctioneer for their Expiring Domain Names.

Usually the current Owner of these domains still has the right to renew the domain. But sometimes Registrars who have agreements with Snapnames/Namejet restrict these rights. GoDaddy is the most generous. Allowing transfer out (or renewal at Godaddy with a penalty) up to 42 days after expiry. You need to read each individual Registrars ToS to know the time they give you to renew the domain or then lose your ownership rights. ICANN says it should be at 45 days. But no significant Registrar follows ICANN rules, here.

GoDaddy is the biggest Pre-Release Auction Market on the planet by way of the fact they are by far the biggest Registrar. SnapNames/Namejet are 2nd and 3rd to GoDaddy, respectively. Everyone else are bit players in this Market. They have a small Market Share. How much? difficult to say, but probably less than 10% for all of them combined. No facts to substantiate this.

It is highly recommended that if you see a domain in a Pre-Release Auction Market you want, you should bid on it at that Auction and not anywhere else. ie: If it is at SnapNames then only bid on it at SnapNames because they control the domain. It is your first and best chance of obtaining the domain.

The biggest downsides are, 1) The existing registrant can still renew the domain, and will be motivated to do so if they see it has value. 2) It is a Public Auction, so you can be outbid by anyone joining the Auction.

The biggest upsides are, 1) You sidestep the Pending Delete Auction which is open to everyone (including Dropcatch/HugeDomains. More on them later) 2) You retain the original registration date (which I like personally. YMMV)


PENDING DELETE DOMAIN AUCTIONS

A Pending Delete Auction is an Auction for a domain which has entered the Pending Delete stage of it's current registration. Almost dead and dropped.

Domains enter Pending Delete stage 75 days after expiry (46-75 days is the Redemption Grace Period, in ICANN speak). There is no coming back from Pending Delete. The domain will delete 5 days after it enters Pending Delete and will be available for re-registration the next day (day 6 after entering Pending Delete or 81 days after expiry).

These Auctions begin when the Domain hits Pending Delete status. It is a free-for-all when a domain drops. The company with the best drop catching system usually wins most drop-caches. This is DropCatch with over 500 registrars knocking on the Registry's door.

The main venues for these Auctions are DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet. There are a miriad of other competitors, but they are only bit-players. Bit players ocassionally get lucky and capture Pending Delete domains. Usually (not always) the domains nobody else wants.

There are no official statistics, but DropCatch probably captures at least 50% of all drop-caught domains. It could be a lot more. they are the Goliath of Pending Delete Auctions. The reason for this is mainly because their sister company, HugeDomains, wants to snap up all dropping domains which have any value, and to place them on their own Domain Marketplace for sale. Partnering with Dropcatch has, to date, been a very successful strategy for them. But we cannot see if this is profitable or not for them.

The previous Goliaths were SnapNames/NameJet, who held the position now held by DropCatch.

It goes without saying. If you are serious at wanting a domain, you should be backordering it at all 3 of these companies. backorders are free. You only pay if you win the domain. If you are the only backorderer at the capturing company, you win the domain outright.

Now this is where it become interesting because of the different policies of DropCatch to SnapNames/NameJet relating to more than one backorderer.

For SnapNames/Namejet, if there is more than backorder placed at their venue and they capture the domain, then the domain goes into a three day Private Auction. Highest bid wins the domain.

For DropCatch, if there is more than one backorder placed on a domain at their venue, and they capture the domain, then the domain goes into a 3 day Public Auction. Where anybody can bid on the domain.

Because everyone is used to the old system at SnapNames/NameJet where a domain goes to a Private Auction, they reel at the though that anybody can bid on a drop-catch with multiple bidders, if it is caught by Dropcatch. they feel cheated. But it is only the marketplace at work. Of course a Private Auction is preferred because the domain has fewer bidders, not everyone. But with DropCatch capturing the lions share of all drop-caught domains, they have chosen to hold Public Auctions, where prices are naturally bid higher than at Private Auctions. Some say too high. But in general, it is only being bid up to a price where another Domainer can still sell the domain and make a profit, in their opinion. Of course opinions between domainers vary about the price.

There is a twist to this DropCatch dropcatching. As as sop to other domainers, they have stated that HugeDomains would not be permitted to participate in any Dropcatch Auction. This of course is fine, until they are being bid up by other domainers :( What is not so good, is they recently introduced a Discount Club, where HugeDomains have priority over any backorder. this is not good at all, as users of this service see most of their backorders being captured by HugeDomains. IMHO, you should never use their Discount Club and only participate in their full price backordering, which cuts out HugeDomains access to the domain. You still need to participate in the Public Auction if there was more than one backorder at DropCatch, if you want to capture the domain. The exception only would be if you are placed at the highest bidder and nobody else bid on the domain, which is quite rare.

Personally, I see DropCatch's method of doing business as a paradigm shift. It's not going away. Either embrace it or hate it. It will make flips harder because of the higher pricing, and will usher in longer hold times for domains. I actually like the fact I can poke my finger in the eye of HugeDomains (our biggest single competitor) by placing a full price backorder on DropCatch. Even if I don't bid on any auction, and I just take the captures where I was the only backorderer. It's peanuts in the big scale of things, but it gives me satisfaction :)

For domains which are not worth the $59 dropcatch fee. I usually backorder at Pheenix. They capture some but not all. With their recently added 100 drop-catch Registrars, they should become more competitive. But they have announced the same policy of as DropCatch of Public Auctions on domains with more than 1 backorder placed on their system, from Sept 19th 2015. This won't suit everybody. But I believe it is the wave of the future. Some day, all dropcatchers will operate like this. IMHO.

CONCLUSION

For Pre-Release domains I only bid at the Auction House which has the domain up for Auction. Nowhere else works. GoDaddy, or SnapNames, or NameJet, or if the domain is registered at a Registrar which runs it's own Auction House, eg Dynadot.

For Pending Delete domains which have value and desirability, I backorder at all three major players DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet. For domains which I think won't get picked up by any of these three, I use the cheaper drop-catcher, Pheenix. The hundred registrars they just added will make them very competitive in this section. I might even add them to my top three and see how many they catch :)

See more about DropCatch and Domainers/HugeDomains backorders below.
 
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I do nowadays go thru the Pool dropping keyword lists. Which emails you all the domain with the single keywords you have setup with them. All in 1 email daily. For the next 5 days. I don't believe this is the best method of finding dropping domains with keywords you are watching. And I'm open to suggestions for improvements. With using this list my backorders are approx 0-6 daily. The biggest problem I find with them is you can specify your keyword can be at the start of the domain, but not at the end of a domain. I'm not so much interested in the keyword being contained within the domain. OK. I could miss a few. But that's ok with me.
 
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Thank You. You are Great Sir.
 
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exactly how many places are there to get a drop?

some ones today that were popular like unplanned.com and luckyslots.com.. i was expecting them to end up on dropcatch.. but the registrar says "moon shot domains" and "DOMAINDUCKS, INC. PERSONALNAMES.COM"

im lost here
 
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Those two were caught by snapnames. The quickest way to tell right after they are caught is that snapnames uses the name servers: interimnameserver.com
 
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I've noticed 1 dramatic shift in the last week. Pheenix are now capturing more domains than Dynadot. I would say they have now deployed their additional registrars. In fact, it's now the polar opposite than I was saying before. Pheenix is now whitewashing Dynadot, at the moment. We shall see if that continues.
 
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Pheenix beat snap and DC on a bigger name today, not unheard of but stands out when it happens.
 
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Pheenix beat snap and DC on a bigger name today, not unheard of but stands out when it happens.

This could also be taken as some evidence that all their additional registrars are now deployed for drop-catching.
 
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That would be SnapNames, but it could still go to auction if others ordered as well...

Thank you for the quick response.
As a newbie I am not sure how to check this. I'm on my SnapNames account but I can only see the name on "Pending Orders". This should be in the beginner section but I ask here anyway:

1. Do domains caught by several people on SnapNames go to auction on NameJet?
2. In the auction, is it open for everyone like DropCatch?
3. And how long time does it usually take to find out if I got it or if it goes to auction?

Thanks

EDIT: I read now that NetworkSolutions had ended their partnership with SnapNames?
Old article? I'm confused..
 
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auctions on snapnames are private (big difference ;) )
 
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auctions on snapnames are private (big difference ;) )

Thanks.

That sounds nice. But I'm still confused. At some places I read that SnapNames and Networksolutions have ended their partnership and some say SnapNames and NetworkSolutions are owned by the same company (Web.com).

How do I figure out if it will be an auction or if I caught it?
 
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Caught by SnapNames or NJ go to auction on SnapNames. Just go to "buyer dashboard" and click "My auctions", the name will eventually show up with either just you (no auction) or other bidders.
 
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yes it's the same company, all domains goes to nsi.
 
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@PAINC You will receive an e-mail, I think within an hour or so, stating if you won the name outright or if it has gone to a private auction (because others also ordered it).
 
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Thanks guys, it went to auction. Me and 42 other bidders :xf.grin:
 
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That was a nice reading.
 
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Thanks guys, it went to auction. Me and 42 other bidders :xf.grin:

Best of luck with that one. Probably a pretty good domain :)
 
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Best of luck with that one. Probably a pretty good domain :)
And thank you for sharing your strategy.
Yes a pretty good one, I could not help laughing at my self yesterday thinking I might be the only one.
 
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And thank you for sharing your strategy.
Yes a pretty good one, I could not help laughing at my self yesterday thinking I might be the only one.

:)
 
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I just read through this post and I am uncertain how to proceed as I am all new to acquiring a domain someone else already owns. The domain expires in 10 days. It is registered with GoDaddy. I have never negotiated buying a domain off of someone but thought I might try to attempt it, I then found out their contact information on the domain registration is invalid as the email bounced back and the domain goes to a server not found.

I am assuming they will not renew so going forward am I best off placing a backorder with Godaddy for this domain, going through their buyer service or going through the name drop services ?
 
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I just read through this post and I am uncertain how to proceed as I am all new to acquiring a domain someone else already owns. The domain expires in 10 days. It is registered with GoDaddy. I have never negotiated buying a domain off of someone but thought I might try to attempt it, I then found out their contact information on the domain registration is invalid as the email bounced back and the domain goes to a server not found.

I am assuming they will not renew so going forward am I best off placing a backorder with Godaddy for this domain, going through their buyer service or going through the name drop services ?

There could be many reasons people don't want to be found. One of which is they only use the domain for emails only. So your assumption this won't be renewed could be wrong. The older the domain, the more wrong you could be.

Your best bet to acquiring this domain is to bid on it at GoDaddy's Auctions site. It will get listed approx 27th day after expiry and will be listed for 10 days. There are 2 stages to these expiring domains. The bids start at $12, and when the domains goes into closeout, where they can be picked up with no competition for 5 days with the price dropping every day, for between $11 down to $5. The strategy you use is up to you. Just be aware that you should bid just before the last 5 minutes of the auction closes, and there are many people look for this kind of activity, which might overbid you, and you can fuel that frenzy, by adding more bids. But once it goes to the closeouts, you can buy the domain for the current listed price of $11...$5. The choice is yours.
 
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There could be many reasons people don't want to be found. One of which is they only use the domain for emails only. So your assumption this won't be renewed could be wrong. The older the domain, the more wrong you could be.

Your best bet to acquiring this domain is to bid on it at GoDaddy's Auctions site. It will get listed approx 27th day after expiry and will be listed for 10 days. There are 2 stages to these expiring domains. The bids start at $12, and when the domains goes into closeout, where they can be picked up with no competition for 5 days with the price dropping every day, for between $11 down to $5. The strategy you use is up to you. Just be aware that you should bid just before the last 5 minutes of the auction closes, and there are many people look for this kind of activity, which might overbid you, and you can fuel that frenzy, by adding more bids. But once it goes to the closeouts, you can buy the domain for the current listed price of $11...$5. The choice is yours.

So there is no advantage to the GoDaddy backorder service then? Just wait for it to hit the GoDaddy auctions?
 
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So there is no advantage to the GoDaddy backorder service then? Just wait for it to hit the GoDaddy auctions?
If you place a backorder with GoDaddy for a GoDaddy-registered domain before or while it is going through the GoDaddy auctions process, the backorder will automatically count as an immediate $10 bid on the domain. This bid will be publicly visible to everyone, and this will likely attract other bidders far in advance of the auction end, that may not have noticed the name otherwise. There is no benefit to doing this, compared with placing a manual bid in the last minute. Your best bet is to wait for the name to be listed as an auction at auctions.godaddy.com, and then place a bid 5 minutes before the auction count-down ends. If it's a decent name, it's likely you will be joined by other bidders and will have to battle it out in a bidding war.
 
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im guessing theres no website or software that can show domains in the redemption/grace period before they go to the drop?
 
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