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StellarHand.com

Labeled as domain in Domain Appraisal started by Makbliss, Dec 5, 2019.

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  1. Makbliss

    Makbliss Cancer Survivor, domain and crypto enthusiasts Gold Account

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  2. Makbliss

    Makbliss Cancer Survivor, domain and crypto enthusiasts Gold Account

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    Any thoughts appreciated.
     
  3. Joe Nichols

    Joe Nichols Common sense consultant VIP

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    Hey @Makbliss,

    As a poker player, I can see the appeal of the name. It's certainly a term you might use or hear when rehashing a poker session with friends.

    As a domain name, I think it comes up short. Its focus is extremely narrow, and I can't find any examples of poker/gambling sites branding themselves with this style of name. The best use case I can think of for the name would be a poker strategy site or blog... but as you can imagine, you would have to get very lucky to find someone starting this type of site who would be willing to pay more than reg fee for your name.

    The best thing you can do for yourself before buying a name is to see if others are already using the term to advertise, promote a product/service, or name a business/project. If they are, it's your first clue to knowing you might have a better than average chance of selling the name,

    This one is reg fee value for me, but I can understand why you liked it.
     
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  4. Not a robot

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    I didn’t see the connection until I see the logo.

    Checked USPTO and found no trademark with the two words.

    “stellar” is a positive word, and “stellar hand” could be related to surgeon, magic trick, or hand craft. I think it has some value.
     
  5. Joe Nichols

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    Just remember that "could be related to" is very different from "is used by".

    One is our dream of what a name could be, the other offers real value and potential for a sale. It's crucial that newer domain investors do not buy names just to chase their creative dreams; it's a recipe for losing money. Focus on real, existing commercial use.
     
  6. Makbliss

    Makbliss Cancer Survivor, domain and crypto enthusiasts Gold Account

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    Thanks for everyone's feedback.
    I have this in auction currently at sedo and am experimenting with selling this domain,
    AND including 5 other domains for free to the winner of the auction. (if there is one)

    Anyone ever tried this?

    Here is a copy of the description in my listing:

    ***PLEASE NOTE** This is a BUNDLE AUCTION for 6 DOMAINS!---***
    ALL of the following domains are included complimentary, (FREE), to the winner as added brand protection.---
    -StellarHand(s).com
    -StellarHand.co
    -StellarHand(s).co
    -StellarHand(s).co.uk

    -StellarHand.co.uk


    Possible End User ideas include:
    *Online Poker/blackjack Casino
    *Tattoo business.
    *Sushi Restaurant
    *Poker related community/resource/Forum site
    *Clothing/Merchandise, Poker related Branding of StellarHand.com -
    Classy, Modern & Memorable
     
  7. BrandAptly.com

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    The logo certainly reduces the ambiguity. I find that end users are more inclined to buy when they are provided with some sense of direction. It may work better as a brandable if packaged with the logo.
     
  8. Joe Nichols

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    Also available to hand register:

    AwesomeHand
    WickedHand
    DynamiteHand
    IncredibleHand

    So the question you need to answer is: If a potential buyer likes this style of name, why would they pay you hundreds or thousands of dollars for "stellar" when they could spend $10 for one of the above?
     
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  9. Not a robot

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    Awesome and Incredible are not the same as Stellar. Wicked might be closer. CleverHand is for sale by HugeDomains for 5.5k (way too high) and CleverHands redirects to an Etsy shop.

    I think StellarHand(s) has some value. Problem is if you are a tattooist, you probably don’t need a Web site, and even if you do, StellarHandTatoo(.)com is good enough. So, if the primary user is a small business, you probably don’t want to change hands to keep the cost down.

    I am not a fan of the logo. As I said, I initially didn’t see the association with gambling. A potential buyer who wants to use the name for non-gambling business will turn away as soon as he/she sees the logo. (Actually, I think it’s counterproductive to incorporate a logo with any for-sale domain).
     
  10. Makbliss

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    I made that logo in about 2 mins with an app on my phone and the only place that logo has been seen is on here..I'm not advertising or listing the name with any logo so it cant be counterproductive my friend..
     
  11. Makbliss

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    Thank you
     
  12. Joe Nichols

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    Subjectively speaking, they convey the same message. And that's the issue... any perceived value here is entirely subjective, because no one in the world is branding with this term. Even if they wanted to, they have other cheap options in the same ballpark.
     
  13. Not a robot

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    That’s an issue with every domain. A dot-com is valuable if
    • There is high potential multiple medium or large corporate will want to use it. And I think that’s the biggest issue with this name.
    • All replaceables have been taken. So @Makbliss is correct in registering both the singular and plural form. However, he missed WickedHand(s). If many domainers own other similar name, then one of them will have a good chance of a good sale.
    Domaining is like a gamble. If StellarHand .net/org/io/co... are taken, then .com has value. But you have to be the first one to take the jump.

    And we know what happen to the first mouse to the cheese...
     
  14. Joe Nichols

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    I see what you're trying to say, but the reasoning is a bit faulty.

    You say a name is valuable if multiple extensions are taken. That's not true. If it were, I could register zqpthdybr.com in 10 extensions and give it value.

    Having many extensions taken is one indicator that a name might have value. In other instances it's just a case of one domainer buying a highly speculative name in many extensions (case in point).

    Is domaining a gamble? Yes. But like poker, the more money you invest into good gambles, the more you increase your odds of winning. Good gambles are names that are already being used commercially.

    StellarHands is a gamble, but not a good one.
     
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  15. Not a robot

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    This should probably go in a separate thread

    It has been said many times in DomainSherpa that, if you could hand register a dot-com, that means you are the only one in the world who thought of the name, so it probably had no value.

    That’s not to say you can’t do hand register. You could go to ExpiredDomains and look for those that have expired. At least you aren’t the first mouse.

    Another way is to give SquadHelp $10 and become a creative there. When you submit a dot-com that had been submitted by others before, the system will tell you X creatives have submitted it Y times. Of course that means it has been rejected as many times, but it also means it has many potential uses.

    One such name is Bloomergy, which I like. It was an expired domain. It was submitted quite a few dozen times. It’s not easily replaceable. And someone registered it and it’s now on SH’s marketplace.

    I don’t know if StellarHand was an expired domain. But this is how I would go about it:
    1. Check if StellarHand(s) are dropped domains.
    2. Check the history to see what kind of business used it. It gave you clue on potential business. It also let you know of potential issue (was it used for, say, adult site?)
    3. Check for *hand and stellar* domains to see if your target can easily be replaced.
    4. Also check the market place (check competition)
    5. Try come up with replacements yourself and check if other businesses use them. Be wary of registering names that are “confusingly similar”. If you don’t know why I used quotation marks, Google it and stop domaining until you understand.
    6. Think of potential buyers. Don’t register names if it’s only good for yoga, dentistry, or some local business.
    7. Think twice, thrice, and think again. Collect a long list of potential hand regs and pull the trigger only on the good ones. If it’s available today, it would probably be six month from now. Wait for sales like Black Friday.
    8. Only buy names you like. I would pull trigger on Stellar and Wicked, but not on Awesome (doesn’t sound right to me).
    9. Be financially responsible and be ready to pass on good names. A good name may come up on NameJet and you may need every $10 you “saved”.
    10. Never reg a name for domaining industry. Domainers are cheap. There is a reason why Epik is even considering the lousy NameLiquidate name
     
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  16. Paul T

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    All really good advice- especially the bit about you being the 'only one'. Remember that as a species we like to re-affirm our own bias. 'Clever names' you think of yourself tend to grow on you - but not necessarily on others.
     

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