Rick Schwartz went on a new gTLD buying frenzy !

[loupe]

I was just checking out thedomains blog of Michael who is also into the new gTLDs and saw his latest article about Rick. Looks like the new gTLDs are getting more and more traction with serious domainers entering the arena

 

[McDuke]

JB, I agree, I don't like to see .com is out, gtlds are in etc. 75% of my portfolio is .com.

Sure registries held back lots but there were still many decent names available. The names that were held back were out of my ball park so it didnt affect me.

Some extensions just baffle me, i wondered what some were snorting when they picked their extension name.

 

[McDuke]

just read the addition about .name.

This was before my domaining time but don't you think this gtld tsunami is a little different than .mobi, .biz, .name rollouts?

Anyways JB i'll say I'm sorry if egged you on in my statements. I just am care free regarding the new roll outs. The industry i have names in, is years away from being a beast so i planned on long term regs anyways.

I actually think we would get along just fine in person, "you just dont like new extensions" and "i think they are cool". 1st world problems hey lol

 

[Ms Domainer]

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The .xyz CEO predicts 1,000,000 regs in the first year [NOTE: This is a correction; I originally said "month."]

If one makes such bodacious predictions, then one should make sure he/she isn't just blowing smoke from you-know-where.



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[JB Lions]

just read the addition about .name.

This was before my domaining time but don't you think this gtld tsunami is a little different than .mobi, .biz, .name rollouts?

Anyways JB i'll say I'm sorry if egged you on in my statements. I just am care free regarding the new roll outs. The industry i have names in, is years away from being a beast so i planned on long term regs anyways.

I actually think we would get along just fine in person, "you just dont like new extensions" and "i think they are cool". 1st world problems hey lol

You have nothing to apologize for. People get into disagreements from time to time, it's normal and it's going to happen on forums.

.name was before my time too. It was just interesting to read some of the comments from back then. It's the same for all of them.

"but don't you think this gtld tsunami is a little different than .mobi, .biz, .name rollouts?"

Yes, and not in a good way. I think it's easier when you have the spotlight all to yourself, not just for a week, maybe more based on marketing.

Whatever (insert new extension) gets in terms of regs, it would be more if they came out all by themselves. If .name came out tomorrow, would it get 150,000 regs, what it has now (dropping tho)? No. It would probably be hanging out in the bottom with the other 60+ that haven't hit 5,000 regs. Some of those will eventually hit that, some won't. I think .name would be in .pink territory, they haven't even hit 1,000 regs. name is just a horrible extension.

 

[McDuke]

"but don't you think this gtld tsunami is a little different than .mobi, .biz, .name rollouts?"

Yes, and not in a good way. I think it's easier when you have the spotlight all to yourself, not just for a week, maybe more based on marketing.

Whatever (insert new extension) gets in terms of regs, it would be more if they came out all by themselves. If .name came out tomorrow, would it get 150,000 regs, what it has now (dropping tho)? No. It would probably be hanging out in the bottom with the other 60+ that haven't hit 5,000 regs. Some of those will eventually hit that, some won't. I think .name would be in .pink territory, they haven't even hit 1,000 regs. name is just a horrible extension.

yeah but how do they release 1000 gtlds... what i don't get because i am new to domaining is how was .name an extension before .music or .games?

This is how i see it,

gTLD's

• sensible single keyword combos "value increases" (5-8 yrs)
  
• rare hacks or combos "value increases" eg ire.land (5-8 yrs)
  
• 2-3 keyword combos "gtld use will increase", but overall value for any 3+ combo drops (current)
  
• limited brand potential (always)
  
• sub directories will be used more (10-15 years)
• language specific extensions for large population masses "value increase" (current) * i think if the Chinese gov wants a name or doesn't agree with a name "for whatever reason", they will take it.

.com

• 2 keyword combos that match gtlds decrease, where there is no gtld option they increase (5-8 yrs)
  
• 3 keywords "value decrease" (current)
  
• LLLL "value increase" (3-5 yrs)
  
• Brands "value increase" (current)
  
• NNNN+ value increase due to universal use (current)

.com + gTLD

• having both will fetch a bonus premium in sales (current)

ccTLD's

• .me, .tv, .co single keyword values will increase
• other geo restricted cctlds will remain fairly unaffected

.net, .org, .info

• all will lose long winded / 2-3 keyword combo regs "many drops"

.biz, .name, .mobi etc

• may lose stigma and sneak into the mix of other gtlds, .mobi is a weird name

Adult Sites

• will eventually be filtered out of main stream "hopefully"and used only in .xxx, .porn, .sex, .adult but i think .xxx will be king

What do you guys think?

 

[JB Lions]

On the gltds, I think I disagree with just about everything, I know that's not a shock. I think the highest values are in the beginning, not years down the road. That's what history has shown so far. At the beginning there is hope/potential. But then later, reality. Never liked hacks like - ire.land. Fun to look at, some are pretty clever, but build a business on something that can confuse people? No. ire dot land. eh.

With this - .me, .tv, .co values will increase

Disagree simply because people have more choices in alternate extensions now for those that want to go in that direction. More choice means less bargaining power if you're a seller.

With - biz, .name, .mobi etc, yep, pretty much fcked.

With adult sites - "will eventually be filtered out of main stream and used mainly in .xxx, .porn, .sex, .adult but i think .xxx will be king"

I think com will still rule, simply because adult sites don't want to be filtered, that can only hurt the bottom line. It's just too easy to get zapped that way. But I'm guessing at that one, somebody from the adult world would have to chime in on that one. I know I wouldn't want to flag myself.

Kind of agree with you on net, .org, .info. I know .info has been dropping, think jmcc mentioned something about .org as well. But still think .org is good, it's the one after .com people have actually seen and are familiar with, lots of quality sites/organizations.

 

[McDuke]

I think everyone is in shock and not sure what to do, if extensions rolled out individually i think higher early sales would occur, but because of the massive volume, investors have many options so they wont make large impulse buys like flowers.mobi etc.

Regarding .mobi, domaining is like the stock / collecting market, big sales lead to many little sales. So I wonder if Rick made some of his flowers.mobi money back selling other .mobi after the fact.

I agree .org is better than .net or .info, but .npo could take business from .org.

 

[DU]

I think everyone is in shock and not sure what to do, if extensions rolled out individually i think higher early sales would occur, but because of the massive volume, investors have many options so they wont make large impulse buys like flowers.mobi etc.

Regarding .mobi, domaining is like the stock / collecting market, big sales lead to many little sales. So I wonder if Rick made some of his flowers.mobi money back selling other .mobi after the fact.

I agree .org is better than .net or .info, but .npo could take business from .org.

No one is in shock (except if you count those who are shocked at how low the registration numbers are).

The sales aren't here because of massive volume - how will that change?

It's .NGO. If managed correctly as a closed TLD it will take some business from .org; however, I'm slowly losing faith that anyone is doing anything properly. Last time I checked there isn't a real global definition of NGO - with it varying country to country. Strict policy management needs to be in pace but this just adds registry cost and who knows if it's worth while.

Things will change but I don't ever see the kind of value some people do. I already think there's plenty of decent value to be found in the existing known or recognizable namespaces. If my garden is green... why would I pay a premium to play in a garden with dead spots?

Domain pricing is totally variable now.. talks of increase/decrease are non-meaningful. The question is more whether the likelihood of finding a true undervalued liquid asset is increasingly or decreasingly likely - and that's almost 100% dependent on how you operate.

 

[Name Trader]

No. It's much more than that He has a talent for negotiation which all of us mere mortals aspire too, when we are wondering whether we should hold out or sell a domain at the offered price, and we sell Rick says, if you don't like my price, then F.O, it's just gone up. Even though he knows there may be equivalent domains the prospective buyer could buy at a much cheaper price. He plays on the buyers greed that they must have the domain they are negotiating for. I've done that, but only managed to parley that into mid four figures. How he parley's that into high six figures and seven figures is certainly a talent I'd like to possess. Perhaps we should also ask for a personal profile from the buyer and what they intend to do with the domain before we offer up a price, not knowing the buyer.

Of course he has a foul mouth for his critics. I have a foul mouth for my critics also. But I manage to keep my mouth shut (well... most of the time... at least)

 

[Kate]

This was before my domaining time but don't you think this gtld tsunami is a little different than .mobi, .biz, .name rollouts?

How is it different ? IMO the only difference is the scale of the change. The outcome is still the same: we have a truckload of extensions that nobody cares about.

From the POV of a domainer, I think new gTLDs are an awful investment. Flukes will happen of course, but the pattern we are seeing is that the registry is always the biggest seller. Domainers are chasing a dream.
You know, sales have happened in almost any extension... even .tk.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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The .xyz CEO predicts 1,000,000 regs in the first month.

If one makes such [not so] bodacious predictions, then one should make sure he/she isn't just blowing smoke from you-know-where.



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FYI: TheDomains source for this [not so] bodacious prediction:

http://www.thedomains.com/2014/06/0...tions-in-first-year-its-my-gift-to-the-world/

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[loupe]

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FYI: TheDomains source for this bodacious prediction:

http://www.thedomains.com/2014/06/0...tions-in-first-year-its-my-gift-to-the-world/

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A "minor" correction; he predicts that amount in first year, not first month.

Btw, if you are bored with the gTLDs, why are you the proud owner of some ?

 

[Ms Domainer]

A "minor" correction; he predicts that amount in first year, not first month.

Btw, if you are bored with the gTLDs, why are you the proud owner of some ? ​

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Duly corrected in my original post, so not so bodacious a prediction. I think it may still be overly optimistic, but we'll see.

I'm bored with the new gTLDs because I see a pattern emerging: super hype, a rush to reg, then a spectacular drop off and a moving on to the "Next Big Thing."

When I regged most of my own new gTLDs, this pattern hadn't yet occurred; I was cautiously optimistic at first -- and I did nab some appealing ones (the registries have since clamped down on the premium one-word terms, hogging them up for themselves and their shell/shill registrars) .

Since then, I have bought a few .domains for defensive and personal reasons, but I have refrained from .guru, .link, .club, among others. I recently regged one .wiki during availability.

Of the new gTLDs, I think the more appealing .web will have the best chance of breaking out, but I'm still not overly optimistic, given the "success" of .info and .biz (admittedly a weird and unappealing extension. A thorough lashing of a wet noodle to the person who thought this term was a good idea.)

In short, what I thought a few months ago has undergone a dramatic shift in thinking.

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[loupe]

But there is no hype because there is hardly any end-user marketing YET. With .club being the real exception i don't think the rest spend much on marketing to end-users. To me this looks like just deploying until at some point there is more organic attention before real marketing is done. Right now i bet most of those registrations are domainers of the first "moment" which is still ongoing.

I'm guessing later this year we'll see some more real marketing and the next years. Right now i don't expect much in terms of marketing to end-users. They're still too busy deploying and working out issues.

As for the .xyz, to be honest, i don't know about this gtld. I have none and for now i have enough.

PS: Was just checking that Rick Schwartz topic on thedomains blog and i see Rick & the CEO of xyz in a fight with each other. Not sure what that is about, but it looks like the gloves came off.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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The hype is being targeted to domainers, not end users; I doubt very much if there's going to be much advertising to end users.

Besides, why wait "until later this year" to target end users?

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[JB Lions]

"But there is no hype because there is hardly any end-user marketing YET."

So in the future, when the "real marketing" begins. You actually think good keywords are going to be available? Just went over the problem with marketing most of these.

"Not sure what that is about, but it looks like the gloves came off."

He said this to him:
"Trying to Cyber – bully me into paying you ? Check mate grandfather of domains. Move over.. their is a new king in town."

So Daniel is the new king in town, with .xyz.

 

[Kate]

But there is no hype because there is hardly any end-user marketing YET. With .club being the real exception i don't think the rest spend much on marketing to end-users.

Back in the day, Telnic (.tel TLD) did some advertising. But it probably didn't help much, because the TLD is a disaster and a money-losing venture. It's really hard to sell something that people have no interest in, no matter how hard you 'promote' it. Marketing is not a magic wand that turns crap into gold. On the other hand, good products sell for themselves and word of mouth will do the rest. Alas, domain names are not mass consumer products. Even in developed countries, the people who own domain names are a minority.
You know what I mean ? Domainers always end up blaming the registry, because it's not doing enough to promote the TLD in which they invested money.

 

[Dondomainer]

I Do not understand why these three letters (XYZ)..would have been better ( myz or TYZ!!) I do not think he get more than 200,000 in one years.. - the question is,
When they finish publishing all new extensions?

 

[forge]

- the question is,
When they finish publishing all new extensions?

When hell freezes over.

 

[JB Lions]

Just saw this update - http://ntldstats.com/tld/xyz

3,265 - 458 of which are registry reserved.

Not sure if that is just a first update or how they do it and final numbers come out tomorrow. I've seen some people posting they got a lot of them, so I figured the number would be much higher than that, thought it would get 5 figures. I guess we'll know tomorrow.

.ninja 7,813 - http://ntldstats.com/tld/ninja
Thought that one was supposed to challenge .guru, but ninja is getting it's butt kicked.

 

[DU]

Thought that one was supposed to challenge .guru, but ninja is getting it's butt kicked.

It might not... have you seen the premium prices on even average keywords? Might make up for volume in price.

The random terms I checked $975, $675 . I don't know if it's a one-off or recurring.

 

[JB Lions]

It might not... have you seen the premium prices on even average keywords? Might make up for volume in price.

The random terms I checked $975, $675 . I don't know if it's a one-off or recurring.

Ah ok. Just went to GoDaddy, I see where it says they're $24.95. Tried some random ones, they were not available, some for that $24.95 price then saw affiliate.ninja available for $1,499.99. Crazy price.

 

[jmcc]

It seems that nobody has noticed the growth velocity in .com slowing. Some of the other non-core gTLDs are also showing signs of slowing. This is not due to the launch of the new gTLDs. Despite the new gTLDs being talked up on some blogs, the reality is that they are not generally, as yet, end user driven. Focusing on domainer sales and reserving/warehousing domain names might make some of the new gTLDs appear to be successful in terms of registration volume but new gTLDs have not hit the mainstream yet.

Regards...jmcc

 

[The New Guy]

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Besides, why wait "until later this year" to target end users?
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Because by then everyone will have had time to develop their new domains and the world can visit them.

Just kidding. 95% of .moneygrab domains will be parked by the end of this year - or pointed to an existing .com which will remain the main focus of whatever company bought up the new extension.

 

[TheWatcher]

The xyz is almost 18K registration today. I'm still looking to register a keyword domain, but no success. I guess I will let this one go