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Recently registered domain names have very little aftermarket value.

Located in General Domain Discussion, started by 168, Jan 26, 2016

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Recently registered domain names have very little aftermarket value?

  1. True

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  2. False

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  1. 168

    168 Top Contributor VIP

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    If you registered a domain name last week for $10 the chances of flipping that name for a significant return are small.

    I read this today in an announcement I received. This was my response. What do you think?

    With all due respect, this statement is not true regardless of the price paid. Several million recently registered .com's and others made a significant contribution to the aftermarket in the last 2 years. This also suggests the aftermarket is not worthy of it's pricing, and several large organizations and companies are investing heavily in the wrong future. Stop it. ;)
    The only domain that has value is the one someone else wants or is used to create value.
    Regards,
    168
     
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  2. doubleU

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    I think there is too much emphases placed on a domains age, often buyers who are aware of the domains age will not be willing to pay much if they know the domain has just being reg'd 2 weeks ago.

    However, end users are least concerned about domains age and usually pay the biggest bucks.
     
  3. 168

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    I agree. This was also mentioned however one myth at a time. There may have been a time when "age" was a consideration but that time has passed. When a speaker at NamesCon also mentioned this. I asked Why ? He couldn't justify and realized this may not be true anymore. Value to the end user is all that matters and making these kind of statements only adds confusion.
     
  4. Recons.Com

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    The better the name, the higher the chance that it has been registered for longer period.

    Hence, yes, the age could be a good indicator. Age does not mean a domain is not a pure trash )

    It is about probabilities. For example (made up percentages), among domains with 10+ age, there are 60% trashy ones and among names registered less than 2 years ago trashy ones make 95%. That means you chance of finding a good one among old ones is 8 times higher than among new ones.
     
  5. 168

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    Tell that to all of the end users that are switching. "Short" is the new "King" regardless of Age or Extension.
     
  6. disaac81

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    I think the point is really that there is more chance of finding a profitable domain that is older (it is common sense).

    However, judge a name by its letters, not by its age.
     
  7. 000

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    Age is totally irrelevant.... if you're selling to end users (and you should be).
     
  8. 168

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    I'm in the opposite camp. There is more chance of finding several profitable domains period!, than one that is older and profitable. There are of course old ones out there, they just don't have the profit margins they used to enjoy and I believe the margins will remain stagnant or suffer as the pool of buyers shrinks.
     
  9. Rory Ivey

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    Half the domains i considered trash are now selling like hotcakes.. Domains age is meaningless to endusers.. Many enduser inquiry and sales i have had came not long after i purchased a name. Yes, of-course the most solid names are already registered, food.com etc but that has nothing to do with age; the name is just good. Names you purchased today cannot be valued, because they are not liquid names like llll.com's. The value will simply be how much an enduser pays for the name or how much you ask and get for it. There is no way to value it in a straight forward way. You have to buy names with a vision and idea in mind and an enduser will find you or you find an enduser and workout a deal. I value names based on brandability and nothing else. So if I own bigblue.com you can't tell me it's worth reg fee, because I buy names with a vision where I can see a company using it. If you buy a trash domain like xiokgouioo.com now and keep it for 5years then it will still be trash after 5 years. Inever hear an enduser ask me about domain age.. They simply say this is the name i want for my startup etc..
     
  10. 168

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    You have to buy names with a vision and idea in mind and an end user will find you or you find an end user and workout a deal. I value names based on brand ability and nothing else

    solid names are already registered, food.com etc but that has nothing to do with age; the name is just good


    Great points ! Thanks
     
  11. 168

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    Thank y'all that have cast a vote so far. I know it's early but.....we are at 84.6% that don't believe the statement:
    Recently registered domain names have very little aftermarket value
     
  12. Kate

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    The statement is quite true, so I voted true.
    You can still buy some good hanregs and flip for $$$ possibly $,$$$ if you know what you're doing, but they will not sell for millions. The names that sell for millions were registered long ago.
    What is available today is leftovers for the most part.

    It's not about age, but quality. For obvious reasons, most quality domains were registered early, thus they are aged.

    Bad domains will usually remain bad domains: if you sit on them for 10 years you will find out their value has not appreciated. There are a few exceptions: new words, new trends, new technology etc.

    But one of the biggest myths in domaining is the belief that like wine, domains will always appreciate with time. This is only true is the name is already good today. Good names will become more coveted in the future.

    Domains can also depreciate over time, for example if you bought .mobi generics in 2006 for 6 figures but you can hardly give them away today.
    Time-sensitive domains, names relating to obsolete technology will also lose value.
    Diskette.com would have been nice to have in 1992 but I wouldn't invest in this kind of names for the long haul.
     
  13. theSun

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    It simply means time to BUY and HOLD on all your newly registered names. In Chinese language, we call this: 逆向思維. In English, it means Reverse Thinking. When an article tells you to sell, you BUY FAST, and in HUGE amount. As the goal of the article is written by a small potato of a Big Boss company, in an attempt to persuade the general public to sell more names to the big boss buyers group cheap (they will come in disguise, you will not know them). But I see you guys are quite smart. As of right now. 16 votes of false, 3 votes of true. Just stick to your price and have confidence in your domains.

    Wealth always tend to favor the bold. In Chinese, it is: 膽量決定財富.

    [​IMG]
     
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    tekz999,

    Well spoken. It's nice to know the China market observation of miss information. Thank you.
     
  15. garptrader

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    I would say generally speaking handreg domains have little value - particularly for newbies who have not yet learned what makes a domain name valuable. The domain space has existed for so many years that the most logical search phrase or short brandable keyword combinations have already been registered. However, two of my highest all-time sales were 2008 .COM handregs. Even last year I found an exact match real estate term low XXXX search volume for a city with over one million population available for registration.
     
  16. james haw

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    I think the entire premise of the question is pointless, as the generalisation of an ambiguous scenario while at the same time expecting a boolean answer is a bizarre concept.

    "Recently registered domain names have very little aftermarket value - true or false"
    It's not a black and white scenario, and entirely depends on the domain names registered, and current market trends - among other things.



    I think the logical conclusion is:
    It's more often that a new hand reg is not worth big bucks than one is based on a percentage of all recently hand regged.

    But it's not possible to have a boolean answer to such a question and it be of any use, so I cannot vote :)


    "value" is also open to interpretation. Some would be happy with $100 from a $10 hand reg, while to others it's not a valuable use of their time regging, selling, and pushing etc. So what is the basis of "value" in the question?
     
  17. 168

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    "particularly for newbies who have not yet learned what makes a domain name valuable"
    Depends on who one chooses to follow. My choice is the market. It's saying something very different than the long held mantra of "Experts" that didn't see the most recent boom. This ain't my first rodeo y'all.
     
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    "It's not a black and white scenario, and entirely depends on the domain names registered, and current market trends - among other things"
    "value" is also open to interpretation"
    You got the point of the discussion exactly!. An "Expert" is suggesting this: "Recently registered domain names have very little aftermarket value" It's misleading/confusing end users and investors. Currently 75% rate this statement as FALSE. This kind of blanket statement doesn't reflect the market.
     
  19. 000

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    LOL.... so the benchmark for success is now a million dollars? Riiiighhttt. I'll be content with those piddly $8.37 > $$$ / $$$$ flips. Good luck with the millions.... MAKE IT RAIN!!! Gotta say I applaud you for really shooting for the stars!
     
  20. doubleU

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    There are still many unregistered gems at any giving time, take for example SELFIESTICKS .COM was only registered for just over a year and then sells for 29K at namejet last year.

    You can see many examples of new gTLD reg's making handy buck's also.
     
  21. Kate

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    I didn't say the benchmark for success is a million dollars ;) I am just saying that the thread title is an accurate statement imo: "Recently registered domain names have very little aftermarket value".
    Or as the OP put it: "If you registered a domain name last week for $10 the chances of flipping that name for a significant return are small.". I agree with his.

    That doesn't mean you shouldn't buy any handregs. However people need to have reasonable expectations. In terms of quality there is no comparison between what is available today vs what was available 20 years ago. The rewards do not compare.

    Exercise: analyze a sampling of reported sales. Compile a list of domain names and their respective registration dates. For this you check the whois record (just the registry record is enough).
    Then calculate the average age.
    How many are decent regs ?

    Now take it even further. Fetch a larger sample of reported sales, including 6-figures sales. Do a breakdown of average sales price by year of registration.

    There is also the famous example of camroulette.com (something like that). But these are exceptions. It's a good example of capitalizing on new trends, but there are not many such examples. Which confirms the statement that as a rule recents regs have little resale value.

    Good example. If only the seller was not almost always the registry ;)
     
  22. Debt.tv

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    So True! 10x your money is GOOD MONEY! While some people wait, I'll be flipping domains like hotcakes!
     
  23. 000

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    Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Clearly you're not trying very hard. Or perhaps you just don't see 25x or 50x or 100x profit as "significant".... but either way, you're wrong.

    Totally irrelevant.
     
  24. Recons.Com

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    This is not necessarily true. Snapnames.com expired domains somehow get registration date reset for some reason. I got ydeo.com from there and its date of registration got reset for June 2015. Of course, you don't believe there were LLLL.coms available for hand reg in 2015, do you?
     

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