.mobi Putting An End to the "Why Not Just Use a Com instead of Mobi Debate" ....

[nombre]

the below is from a very interesting page (Global Authoring Practices for the Mobile Web) at: http://www.passani.it/gap/#whatxhtmlmp.

The author makes a _very_ compelling case as to why mobi is necessary and what the difficulties are of implementing a dot com website on a mobile ...

i would suggest that you read from 1.3 down to 1.6

this really clarified for me the nagging question i have had about whether dot com sites can just repurpose toward mobi as well which would of course, reduce the value of mobi

this guy makes a very compelling case of the technical difficulties involved (in plain english and easy to get quickly) in implementing a mobile version of a dot com

after reading i was more confident than ever about the value of mobi and why it is needed

takes about 5 minutes to read and get his points

 

[GeoOwners]

smart person that wrote that...alot of deep thought went into it...confirms much of the pro agruement for .mobi...great find nombre

 

[Sam]

great... if you read this i have no clue what you are trying to prove. It states some good points.

Mobile development is difficult because different devices have different features. This aspect is often referred to as 'Device Market Fragmentation' or 'Device Diversity'.

Creating the mobile version of an existing website does not make sense in all cases. For example:

* Reading news, accessing email and looking at the price of stocks are typical examples of the kind of activities that users may want ot perform while they are mobile.
* Doing research related to their work is something even the most advanced users will prefer to delay until they sit by their PCs in the comfort of their homes or offices (and a broadband connection to the Internet).
* Booking a holiday is something that most people do not want to do through a mobile application: too complicated and the risk of something going wrong is either too high or perceived as such.
In spite of this, it may make sense for an internet-based travel agency to have a mobile site with last-minute offers in order to catch impulse buyers. In this case, the transaction should be finalized through a phone call to an operator. Not only is talking to an operator faster and less error prone, but connecting to the operator is typically just one click away, since mobile devices are primarily built to make voice calls.

Hurts .MOBI and the entire mobile concept in general.

 

[-OutlawBiker-]

Don't see how his writings address the main argument of whatever.mobi vs mobile content on whatever.com/mobi

 

[mjnels]

oh god not this again...


just please, think of .mobi as a vanity TLD for arguements sake.


the mobile web is a huge niche just like TV..

 

[Mark]

I personally don't see the arguement for the "default" setting to .mobi folks .... Sorry , but it makes no sense.

Suppose you're a major company that ALREADY has a "Mobile Ready" site and you have built a site on a "Generic" .com domain name that is extremely hard to protect as your brand.

Using the .mobi default arguement .... Should they be FORCED to buy the .mobi version off of someone else just because ???? Nah ... Not IMO ....

I see nothing but problems and possibly lawsuits if Major Portals / Search engines / Sites start losing "Branded Traffic" over a few Mobile accessory manufacturers and distributors making this decision on their own.

Maybe I'm missing something .....

 

[bidawinner]

Too funny... It dosent do anything of the sort..

You want to use .mobi fine..but to suggest

"why mobi is necessary and what the difficulties are of implementing a dot com website on a mobile "

is just ludicrous

You guys wnat to be taken serious you need to stop this kind of nonsense and just say ..

you're speculating in .mobi, you think it has a future..nothing wrong with that and Good Luck

 

[HBK216]

Yawn........ Do mobi fighters on either side have anything better to do?

 

[labrocca]

That article simply addresses techniques and difficulties of developing for mobile devices. It's laughable that you think this article couldn't have been written even before mobi was thought of. It mentions .mobi only in a very generic sense to describe it's intention but makes no rationale to the viability of .mobi's mission.

this guy makes a very compelling case of the technical difficulties involved (in plain english and easy to get quickly) in implementing a mobile version of a dot com

Ugh..no he doesn't. He discusses the difficulty of implementing ANY website on mobile devices. It has NOTHING to do with the extension.

If adaptation is possible, a popular approach is to advertise one URL ("http://organization-name.com") and look for hints in each HTTP request to understand the nature of the client: requests coming from mobile devices are redirected to the mobile site, while request from web clients are redirected to the web site [SWITCHER]
The advantage of this approach is that a unique entry point to both applications is maintained. Techniques and heuristics to recognize and redirect browsers are available on the internet either as standalone [DIFFER] or as part of a framework such as WURFL [WURFL].

Did you even read this article yourself. He basically says straight out that BROWSER recognition and REDIRECTION are an advantage. This does not require a new domain such as .mobi. He is bascially saying that when a mobile person browses yahoo.com they should be redirected to a mobile VERSION of the site such as yahoo.com/mobile which is EXACTLY what many companies are doing. This is the basic argument why mobi's mission is flawed.

 

[namewaiter]

but all this time, i thought it was as simple as 'including some code' to make your current site mobile?

 

[Mark]

The only reason I speak up .... I see lots of wasted money and ForeSee lots of Crushed dreams.

From what I'm seeing - Anything Truly fitting or investment worthy is long gone .... Buy something from the current owners if you are truly a supporter and believer.

Approximately :
- 30% of what I see registered and mentioned here in the forum has Legal problems from day one Trademarks and Copyrights still apply folks.
- 60% Never fit the idea and intent of the extension. Many are just plain too long and just because there are "highly searched" terms available .... Doesn't mean anything for this extension with a specific purpose. Who's to say what type of results you will get later on searching on a mobile accessory ? Who on a mobile accessory will waste their time searching for many of these type terms ? I'm not going to do major shopping on a phone this way ..... Are You ? I'll check weather / traffic conditions etc ... at most - IMO.
- 10% ARE Great and Fitting names - As I said .... Long gone. Open up your wallets if you want one of them.




Just my opinion , and I'm not bashing the extension as a whole - It does have it's place .... But no one is going shopping for Cars / Clothes etc ... anytime soon this way. Just makes "0" sense.

 

[rosh86]

want to know my opinion why i think it will work ...
because the big boys are spending money and they will make things work eventhough
it may not look that straightforward ...
.mobi will become a 'fashion' kinda thing rather then a necessity perhaps but people
would feel left out if they dont have a dotmobi ... trust me

people are like sheep ... we follow the crowd ....

But no one is going shopping for Cars / Clothes etc ... anytime soon this way. Just makes "0" sense.

ive got a car and plenty of clothes thankyou!

Worst case scenario, ive only lost a couple of thousands bux which id rather spend on a project then on clothes ...


anyway what can you buy these days with this kinda money ...

its not like that 2k is going to change my life even if i lose this money ...


At least I wont kick myself and hate myself for not having tried ...

im a realist, a believer and a tryer and thats something youve got to have in order to be pro-mobi ...
since nothing is clear yet at this point ...

 

[labrocca]

because the big boys are spending money

Any proof of that statement? Who do you consider "big boys"?

people are like sheep ... we follow the crowd ....

Please speak for yourself on that. I personally don't follow. It's the LEADERS that make the money.

 

[Sam]

rosh86 if you think $2,000 is play money, please send it to me. A realist doesnt spend 2k on something he is not extremely confident in.

 

[scandiman]

Just my opinion , and I'm not bashing the extension as a whole - It does have it's place .... But no one is going shopping for Cars / Clothes etc ... anytime soon this way. Just makes "0" sense.

I've heard that people in asian countries use their mobile devices far more than we do here for things we wouldn't even consider yet. In time, the convenience will take hold and many will be browsing the web for info about the next car using their smartphone while on a work break. Right now, few do it simply because few can.

 

[dontknow]

not worth fighting about success or failure of something less than a year old...

 

[scandiman]

not worth fighting about success or failure of something less than a year old...

There you go making sense again.

 

[Mark]

How much detail can anyone find for say .... Buying a car at this moment on a phone ?

Sorry ... I'm not seeing it. I'm not saying "Shopping" as a whole doesn't fit. But I won't buy any Large ticket items this way .... or even try to look for them.

There are websites with full size images already out there ...... not to mention the possible "security" issues of adding your payment info through a mobile device.







ANOTHER point .... Most mobile phone users are using them mostly in vehicles and at work.

Do we REALLY want another reason for people to Drive like idiots ? Do you see a way to Mobi Surf completely hands free ? I've been run off the road enough by mobile phone users and ladies putting on make up. I'm not very keen on another thing to take their Focus from the highway - Thank You very much.

Do employers REALLY want more "on the clock" time wasted surfing the net on a phone ?


Just Food for thought -


Enjoy

 

[nombre]

Don't see how his writings address the main argument of whatever.mobi vs mobile content on whatever.com/mobi

the author of this article addresses many of difficulties of simply implementing a script to change a dot com (or dot net dot org etc ..i.e any site viewed on a full sized screen) site in such a way that it will easily fit on a mobile and look good

such issues as: screen size, bandwidth capacity, keyboard input. multimedia formats, browser behavior etc are so complex taken together that it becomes very difficult to use the same site for 2 purposes i.e a dot com site and a mobile site

he points out that opera (and most likely safari on iphone) don't do a good job of rendering pages on mobiles because they simply try to reformat web pages into columns which doesn't work well and creates large file sizes

he points out that there are so many mobile devices and so many screen sizes and many different implementations of css and xhtml that it becomes very difficult to re-purpose to a mobile

the point of .mobi is to attempt to reduce the complexity down to a set of standards that phone and web developers can follow and in so doing create some consistency for the end user

it made very clear to me what dot mobi is attempting to do .. create a more standard protocol for everyone

this is all entirely apart from the argument of whether it will or won't succeed, i don't know if it will, but it does lay out a good case for why mobi was necessary

 

[rosh86]

rosh86 if you think $2,000 is play money, please send it to me. A realist doesnt spend 2k on something he is not extremely confident in.

Who says im not extremely confident in this .... furthermore, you have your opinion and ive got mine ... at least i have a fair chance ... as i said before 2K, pff its not the end of the world ... im 20 years old and am not wasting my time down the pub, or eating out or spending any unnecesary money at all ...
so ive cut down things i would do in order to compensate this loss (if i have to) ... so no money lost from my side ... i dont have a flashy car with a high insurance ... i dont live in a castle ... i dont leave my computer on or tv on wasting electricity ... if i feel cold i use a jumper instead of heating if i can ...
ive got the cheapest mobile phone deal around and bargain prices all the time ... im not an impulsive buyer ... far away from!

have a look at www.fool.co.uk and you can see how you could save yourself by shopping around ...
Most of my shopping is online, as high street stores rip you off with their highstreet prices ...

Thats my side of the case anyway ...

i dont care what you think about .mobi (beg me pardon for being so blunt but im being honest) as you, it seems, are defenately at this point not going to have any relation to .mobi ...

cant see why you are wasting your time on this if you think its all a joke as
we all know the saying

time = money

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