discuss Oh dear.. .xyz and Daniel Negari

[Dave]

32 NNN .xyz were released at reg fee, obviously a mistake, and now they are clawing them back by setting pending delete status. If you made a mistake you should stick by it!

https://twitter.com/JensWeegar/status/870870980557545476

Laughable stuff.

 

[Fancy.domains]

Agree!

 

[4pm]

32 NNN .xyz were released at reg fee, obviously a mistake, and now they are clawing them back by setting pending delete status. If you made a mistake you should stick by it!

..so if i buy a name from you for say $100 but make a mistake and accidentally send $1,000 instead you wouldn't return me $900 back, right? because i made a mistake and i should stick by it

i'm more than sure that you would, not even thinking for a second about it or waiting for me asking you to
and most people here would too..
then why xyx/Negari should be treated differently?

...starting to feel a little scared by the level of cruelty here

 

[Premiums]

dont waste your time on .xyz..

 

[lambo.com]

..so if i buy a name from you for say $100 but make a mistake and accidentally send $1,000 instead you wouldn't return me $900 back, right? because i made a mistake and i should stick by it

i'm more than sure that you would, not even thinking for a second about it or waiting for me asking you to
and most people here would too..
then why xyx/Negari should be treated differently?

...starting to feel a little scared by the level of cruelty here

not a fair comparison. If you buy a product or in this case a domain name, pay for it and then have possession - it should remain as yours. Sellers remorse or technical difficulties should be irrelevant when a transaction has concluded if title is in buyers name. That said, TOS tend to cover such glitches/ issues so there's not much you can do about it except kick up a stink publicly.

When airlines have such issues and undersell an airfare, they usually honor it because of the PR mess it makes all over social media if they don't go ahead with the done deal.

then why xyx/Negari should be treated differently?

because they are the house and ARE different to you.

because they created the game and all it's rules yet if they mess up there are no consequences. What about all the idiots spending countless millions on their .xyz? Are they going to get a refund, of course no.

in a game of monopoly, should the bank NEVER pay out anything for community chest or chance cards or landing on GO?

 

[bmugford]

..so if i buy a name from you for say $100 but make a mistake and accidentally send $1,000 instead you wouldn't return me $900 back, right? because i made a mistake and i should stick by it

I don't think that is comparable at all.

The registry is selling a priced product. All the buyer did was purchase an item that was available, and ownership was transferred to them. WHOIS confirmed that.

Then the registry reclaimed it, or stole it back depending how you look at it.

If I go into a store and buy a priced product, then take it home the store has no right to reclaim the item from me. Why should a domain be any different than any other product?

If I make an error pricing my domain, and it sells on a venue like GoDaddy premium and is transferred to the buyer, do I have the same rights to "reclaim" the domain by blaming a mistake?

Or, is it just registries that are allowed to fuck customers?

Brad

 

[4pm]

I don't think that is comparable at all.

The registry is selling a priced product. All the buyer did was purchase an item that was available, and ownership was transferred to them. WHOIS confirmed that.

Then the registry reclaimed it, or stole it back depending how you look at it.

If I go into a store and buy a priced product, then take it home the store has no right to reclaim the item from me. Why should a domain be any different than any other product?

i don't know. maybe you're right... but if you mistakenly put $10 price on a LLLL.com in your NP sales thread i would not take advantage of it to make a couple hundred dollars off you or anyone else... i'm probably lacking capitalistic attitude

 

[bmugford]

i don't know. maybe you're right... but if you mistakenly put $10 price on a LLLL.com in your NP sales thread i would not take advantage of it to make a couple hundred dollars off you or anyone else... i'm probably lacking capitalistic attitude

I think there is a key difference here.

If a mistake is caught before the domain is sold & ownership is transferred, that is similar to a store catching a mistake at the point of sale. Before you pay for the item & take ownership.

Registies have put themselves in a position to be able to do whatever they want with no accountability. No apology needed. No compensation needed. Just give a big middle finger to their customers.

Brad

 

[Chris Hydrick]

I don't think that is comparable at all.

The registry is selling a priced product. All the buyer did was purchase an item that was available, and ownership was transferred to them. WHOIS confirmed that.

Then the registry reclaimed it, or stole it back depending how you look at it.

If I go into a store and buy a priced product, then take it home the store has no right to reclaim the item from me. Why should a domain be any different than any other product?

If I make an error pricing my domain, and it sells on a venue like GoDaddy premium and is transferred to the buyer, do I have the same rights to "reclaim" the domain by blaming a mistake?

Or, is it just registries that are allowed to f*ck customers?

Brad

Well said!

I know this is not the same, but, does anyone remember when Google Domains sold Google.com? Google took the domain back within minutes, and offered the registrant a 500X multiple ($6,006.13) on the $12 purchase.

 

[nomen]

Gotta love the model of many of the new G registries. Reserve anything you deem valuable and then let the domainers to find the ones you missed, by accident or not, and just steal them back.

Edit: Pathetic BS is what it is.

 

[dordomai]

still waiting for a registry to move domains that have been registered for several years to pending delete because they discovered that they might have value.

you know in the real world in a casino they can ban you if you win 'too much' 'too often'.

the house makes the rules and the house always wins.

if you play in the .xyz casino don't be surprised if this happens.

another thing that will probably happen sooner or later if it didn't happen already is that the registries will start to re-price premium domain renewal of valuable registered domains if they believe you got them too cheap.

if you own a gem they might decide that they are not making enough money with THEIR asset and re-price the renewals accordingly.

 

[wot]

Happened to me with .ooo 9 months after registration, look where they are now. Along with hundreds of other ngtld starting to roll belly up. Not been following too closely but have any actually folded as opposed to being bought out cheaply?

Don't trust any of the new ngtld registrars to play fair they are only in it for one reason.

 

[wot]

I don't think that is comparable at all.

The registry is selling a priced product. All the buyer did was purchase an item that was available, and ownership was transferred to them. WHOIS confirmed that.

Then the registry reclaimed it, or stole it back depending how you look at it.

If I go into a store and buy a priced product, then take it home the store has no right to reclaim the item from me. Why should a domain be any different than any other product?

If I make an error pricing my domain, and it sells on a venue like GoDaddy premium and is transferred to the buyer, do I have the same rights to "reclaim" the domain by blaming a mistake?

Or, is it just registries that are allowed to f*ck customers?

Brad

ngtld -license to f--k

 

[robert widener]

not a fair comparison. If you buy a product or in this case a domain name, pay for it and then have possession - it should remain as yours. Sellers remorse or technical difficulties should be irrelevant when a transaction has concluded if title is in buyers name. That said, TOS tend to cover such glitches/ issues so there's not much you can do about it except kick up a stink publicly.

When airlines have such issues and undersell an airfare, they usually honor it because of the PR mess it makes all over social media if they don't go ahead with the done deal.
agree 100 %



because they are the house and ARE different to you.

because they created the game and all it's rules yet if they mess up there are no consequences. What about all the idiots spending countless millions on their .xyz? Are they going to get a refund, of course no.

in a game of monopoly, should the bank NEVER pay out anything for community chest or chance cards or landing on GO?

 

[robert widener]

I think there is a key difference here.

If a mistake is caught before the domain is sold & ownership is transferred, that is similar to a store catching a mistake at the point of sale. Before you pay for the item & take ownership.

Registies have put themselves in a position to be able to do whatever they want with no accountability. No apology needed. No compensation needed. Just give a big middle finger to their customers.

Brad

daniel negari .... snake oil salesman

 

[J.R.]

daniel negari .... snake oil salesman

Much more than a snake oil salesman.

https://domainincite.com/27356-xyz-bosses-pay-1-5-million-to-settle-feds-loan-scam-claims

Ever wonder why you receive those predatory and annoying robocalls within minutes of registering a new domain?

Wonder why (.XYZ) has been atop spam alert warnings?

https://blog.f-secure.com/why-is-th...ing-from-xyz-and-other-new-top-level-domains/

When your registry is forced to settle a $1.5M deceptive practices suit for selling client data to identity thieves, hackers, robocallers, and spammers, snake oil sales man might be a compliment.

#xyzfiles

 

[Centauri]

Much more than a snake oil salesman.

https://domainincite.com/27356-xyz-bosses-pay-1-5-million-to-settle-feds-loan-scam-claims

Ever wonder why you receive those predatory and annoying robocalls within minutes of registering a new domain?

Wonder why (.XYZ) has been atop spam alert warnings?

https://blog.f-secure.com/why-is-th...ing-from-xyz-and-other-new-top-level-domains/

When your registry is forced to settle a $1.5M deceptive practices suit for selling client data to identity thieves, hackers, robocallers, and spammers, snake oil sales man might be a compliment.

#xyzfiles

Unbelievable that so many believe everything pos. that is being said about specific domain sales.

 

[J.R.]

Unbelievable that so many believe everything pos. that is being said about specific domain sales.

I agree.

We are witnessing the same thing with FTX scandal, Sam Bankman Fraud, and his cohorts.
Often, the majority are led around by their emotions until the inevitable exposure becomes inescapable.

The more I read into Daniel Negari and (.XYZ) executives FTC settlement, the more potential schemes seem clear.

I think 80% of (.xyz) public sales are smoke and mirrors connected to the hundreds of 'interlinked companies' and websites listed in the FTC complaint.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1603439425249222657

At this juncture, 'the many' and more optimistic types start to reconsider falling on the sword for the integrity impaired.