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Network Solutions + Unethical go hand and hand.

Located in Domain Industry News started by Devil_Dog, Jan 8, 2008.

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  1. Dave_Z

    Dave_Z Electrifying Guy VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I forgot to mention specifically that Moniker's bulk search does more than NS.
    IIRC NS' is 200 while Moniker's 500.
     
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  2. PowerUp

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    Thanks. I've tried it but it doesn't display the results like how Netsol displays the results. It's the presentation that really matters to me.

    Has anyone tried namecheap's bulk checker? I wanted to try but looks like it's only for members. And I don't have an account with them.
     
  3. gazzip

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    So true, what a Hero ! - its a pity jay does'nt bother to listen to other peoples opinions too regarding his own services IMO

    (registrant search - is it right or wrong - 194 post - one post by him)



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  4. estibot.com

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    This makes sense to me. It's a countermeasure against domain sniffers.

    I'm satisfied that they will not reserve the names searched by WHOIS (because this is what matters to estibot users), the rest of the policy makes sense.

    If you don't want NS to reserve the name, search for it on another registrar's website, but be prepared to lose it to sniffers.

    Or am I missing somehting?
     
  5. smashfactory

    smashfactory Domain Goddess VIP

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    the thing is- domain sniffers can now just as easily set themselves up to swipe names from netsol after the 4 days- this does nothing. and, if you want the name before it drops after the 4 days, you have to pay netsol outrageous prices.

    what sucks is- they did not give YOU the choice to hold it or not- they made that choice for you. and from what i understand, if someone searches for the same name, on netsol, in those 4 days, any netsol customer can reg it anyway. witth that being said, this was not in any way customer protection, it was a way to stuff the netsol bottom line in an invasive way.
     
  6. npcomplete

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    wrt Jay at domaintools, the irony is amazing isn't it. Gazzip's comment is an out of the park homerun.

    I think you are missing the "golden rule": do unto others as you would have others do unto you. If everybody used sleazy business practices like netsol, then the namespace would be locked up overnight. Domainers for the most part don't use netsol, but do use places like Fabulous, Dynadot, Godaddy, Moniker, etc. We also search for more names in a single day than most one-domain-owner customers at netsol do in a year.

    Sadly, some people/companies only respond to unethical business practices if the competition does likewise. The other companies like Fabulous etc. should follow this practice as a self protection measure. Locking up the entire namespace via other registrars following the same sleazy business model as netsol is probably the only way to get ICANN's attention.

    Marc
     
  7. goodkarmaco

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    Well said Mark.
     
  8. Dave_Z

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    If you mean sniffers can lookup netsol's nameservers those reserved domains
    are using, they've since put such on registrar-hold. RH doesn't report any DNS
    updates whatsoever, essentially rendering them "invisible" like not reporting on
    what X number of domain names are attached to them.

    Besides, their (ex) CEO Chimp..errr, Champ said they'll stop it once ICANN has
    come up with something specific to address this. There's a thread already on
    the subject, but time will tell how soon it'll turn into reality.
     
  9. estibot.com

    estibot.com Developer of Estibot Estibot.com VIP

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    Good points - but I thought NS wouldn't have the domain resolve to any nameservers so sniffers couldn't sniff them while they are reserved. I agree about giving the customer the choice, like a check box or something, that would be good.

    If the name wasn't reserved, anyone who would search for the same name, on any registrar, could reg it anyway so I don't see this as a problem.

    I don't think that's what I'm missing as the meaning of that is somewhat subjective ;)

    Trying to weigh the pros and cons of the new Netsol policy, that's all. I'm trying to look at this from a neutral perspective (putting aside any emotions towards Netsol). What I do like about it is they are trying to do something to protect the customer from losing their domain name to sniffers if they don't register it immediately. The way they are going about this, though, seems to be problematic.

    What are the other options for the registrar to protect the customers from losing the names they search but do not immediately register?

    Thanks-
     
  10. smashfactory

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    What I do like about it is they are trying to do something to protect the customer from losing their domain name to sniffers if they don't register it immediately.

    the thing is, if that even remotely seemed like that was what they were trying to do from tthe beginning, that would be one thing- but it wasn't. hence all the flack from all over creation.

    and it is hard to put any faith in any sort of program that rolls out as bad as it did, with 100% of the benefit of the program falling in netsols lap.

    plus, not everyone is a netsol customer, even if they use the search from their site. that is like me walking thru a jcpenny, and every item i touch is taken off the shelf immediatly. i go to target, and it is unavailable there, at a cheaper price. so now i am either forced to pay the higher price, or chance it being bought from someone else after 4 days.

    if there are those out there who know what you are searching for now, they are gonna make a way to find out what names are being held for 4 days, and grab it anyways. which leave those that seach on netsol forced to pay netsols prices.

    i dont believe for one second that netsol had the customers best interest at heartt- not one bit. when the pages did resolve, anyone could reg it thru netsol, they advertised their own products, and they are trying to get a high reg fee out of you. by stopping me from going right away to reg alsewhere is not helping, it is hijacking.

    i know you are trying to see the pros and cons :)
    but they should have this as a feature to their clients, in their client account, as should godaddy, moniker, ect.

    AFTER you log into the account in which you will buy the name, BEFORE you search it, you check off, "Yes, hold for XX days."

    and ONLY that customer should be able to buy it in that time, at the registrar of their choice. not random searches, but logged in, permission based searches.

    its like they are charging you to look, and that is just going too far.
     
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  12. Dave_Z

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    Uh...hijacking stuff from you which you never owned to begin with? Personally
    I find it bothersome when people use such words rather loosely, especially if/
    when it has no logical or factual basis, but...it happens anyway.

    While you won't be able to register it elsewhere for up to 4 days, you're not
    being prevented permanently from being able to do so if you wait or call them
    to drop it. Options exist, albeit people are understandably impatient.

    No one's forced to believe whatever Netsol says, even though their reason to
    do this validly exists. And neither is anyone forced to use their services.

    That's almost the same question Go Daddy's Tim Ruiz asked at ICANN meeting
    in Marrakech, Morocco years ago, wherein they explained the same thing was
    (actually is) happening to them as with Netsol. Netsol apparently decided to
    answer that now with their current practice and can't wait for ICANN.

    Or worse, someone at Target might find out what you want, go to JC Penney
    to buy that, then won't sell it to you.
     
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  13. mis_chiff

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    I thought this was resolved...
    Even with all this public negativity.....their still doing it!
     
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    Their reasoning is interesting. The idea that netsol is temporarily holding domains to stop front runners from tasting the names is valid, but screwing over people and other registrars by forcing them to buy their name with one of the most expensive registrars is wrong, and at the very least there should be a presell warning or an option to delete the name so that you can register it somewhere else.

    Network solutions is trying to find another sleazy way to profit, they have done it before. The thing that is scary is the boldness and grandiosity of their attempts.
     
  16. italiandragon

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    also, does anyone find legit the fact that they auction domains that should still be in redempion period ? They deny the old registrant any right to renew their domain just after the expiry period since they auction these expired names.

    Is this not against ICANN policy ?
     
  17. smashfactory

    smashfactory Domain Goddess VIP

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    this whole thing still blows me away that they are doing this-

    godaddy should have used its superbowl commercial to say-

    Hi. Here at godaddy, we dont hold your names hostage like network solutions does. we still have hot girls on our website, and our ceo still thinks he is 22, but we do NOT hijack your domains- so register with us!


    would have been better then the commercial they had.
     
  18. labrocca

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    WOW...Imagine if every registrar started to do this. ICANN should immediately stop this type of activity. The leeching is unreal. Why oh why did ICANN let NSOL keep their dotcom monopoly.
     
  19. -NC-

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    Did NetSol and Verisign get completely split, so that Verisign runs the registry and NetSol is just a registrar?
    ( even if they did, I bet they're still best buds... )
     
  20. ~ The 34 Year Buzz!!

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    I would have like to see that. :)
     
  21. RogueWriter

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    Hehe, I'd rather they have hot girls than hot guys!!!
     
  22. .X.

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    The proof is top secret-LMAO.

    The internet used to be a way, to get away from this crappy world we live in, every since the day 2008 came, Things have gone totally crazy on the net, What is next i wonder.
     
  23. Dave_Z

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    Correct. VeriSign completely sold off Network Solutions to Private Pivotal (now
    Nafaji Companies) years ago, which then sold them to General Atlantic about
    last year.
     
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