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Labeled as discuss in Domain Beginners started by Daniel Albrecht, Oct 9, 2019.

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  1. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    Do you mean general news of DN news?
     
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  2. WatchDogue

    WatchDogue Top Member VIP

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    Lets' give you credit when due as you are actively soliciting pre-purchase opinions rather than
    asking for post-purchase opinions re your upcoming 2K expenditure.

    That said, do factor in that annual domain names renewal costs for unsold names and subtract any potential fees, commissions and, taxes you will likely incur should names be sold as you estimate your
    income potential.
     
  3. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    That's a very good point. The more domains you buy, the higher the renewal costs.
     
  4. Reddstagg

    Reddstagg Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    Literally and figuratively speaking we are just gamblers and risk takers.

    Some of the buzz is just making money...today.

    If I wanted to make money on five years time I would just take out a pension. How much fun would that be? Prudent, sure. Just not fun.

    Remember fidget spinners? No one needed them but almost overnight a market and thus the basic economic principal of supply and demand kicked in and a billion dollar worldwide industry was created.

    How many people jumped on the bandwagon and lost money thinking that they would buy a 1000 and clean up.

    Knowledge can be learned by just about anybody from any walk of life, country or ethnicity but experience has to be lived. This is what I believe I can bring to the table.

    I don't think that I have made too many mistakes so far, so it must count for something.

    A sprint is usually more breathtaking than a marathon.

    No right or wrong way I guess, just my way.

    Now where did I put that pen .com
     
  5. NameJi

    NameJi The Domain Lover Gold Account

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    The lesson learnt over the years is to hold ACEs. It is absolutely great if we can own ACE at cheaper price. The idea is to always buy something that is sellable. The premiums are the ones that are more likely sellable at premium prices.

    Here is my buying preference in order:
    LLL.com (no hand reg)
    LLLL.COM (no hand reg)
    1 WORD .COM (no hand reg)
    2 WORD .COM (no hand reg)
    2 WORD .COM ( hand reg)
    1 WORD . OTHER EXTENSIONS ( hand reg / no hand reg)
     
  6. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    I'm focused on these two at the moment...

    2 WORD .COM (no hand reg)
    2 WORD .COM ( hand reg)

    Mostly closeouts and recently deleted.
     
  7. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    I also think buying one domain means waiting too long. Like you say it wouldn't be much fun and there are probably better things to invest in that have a steady return. Like stock market.
     
  8. biggie

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    Hi

    with $2k to spend investing in domains, it really depends on what type of domainer you plan to be.

    do you want to be proactive, sending solicitations, making calls, etc.

    or

    is the plan to invest, then sit back and wait for inquires, offers and returns?

    still, since i'm more of a passive seller, I would take $500 of that $2k and try to purchase a couple of type in traffic domains that earn some ppc revenue. seeking names that have earned at least $2 > $10 a month.

    folks say ppc is dead, but I and many others continue to earn $ while we sleep
    if you could buy an income of $20 a year, that's 1% return already!

    i'd take the rest and buy a 3 letter .org domain
    why?
    because they have high potential for end-user usage and i have some that earn their renewal fee +some extra $ every year.

    imo...
     
  9. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    I get 1.5% on my bank savings, so would rather put money there than get traffic revenue of 1%. It just sin't enough return for me. I am focused on being more active but also have a few domains that I'm happy to hold for longer.

    Where do you find the domains that have income? I might take a look and see if there's any that provide a return of more than 1%. Is 1% usually the maximum you get or the average?
     
  10. brandpainvestment

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    All valuation tools are worthless.
     
  11. brandpainvestment

    brandpainvestment Established Member

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    Stock market does not gurantee any stable return, atleast in India.
     
  12. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    I don't think they are totally worthless, as long as you don't take them too seriously. I think they can be used to pick out some good domains. For example, I'd buy almost any closeout domain that was valued over $4,000. I wouldn't expect to sell it for that but there is some value in the higher valuations.
     
  13. brandpainvestment

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    Do you want high GDappraised names ?

    How many ?

    What is your price per name ?
     
  14. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    The return is fairly stable in US/UK/Europe if you're investing long-term. Property as well. India is a growing economy, so surely there must be some good long-term returns. How has the stock market there performed over the last 10-30 years?
     
  15. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    The closeouts usually cost around $5-10 plus a fee. So if I was interested in any that's what I'd pay. Feel free to send me a list.
     
  16. brandpainvestment

    brandpainvestment Established Member

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    Average.

    But you are investing in stocks not in index.
     
  17. brandpainvestment

    brandpainvestment Established Member

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    I will pass.
     
  18. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    I should have been more specific. I usually only invest in index funds, as it's almost impossible to beat the index long term. I mentioned stocks as a general term. But if you're a good stock picker you should be able to get a decent return.

    For clarity, I only have a very tiny percentage of my net worth in domains. It's more of a side hobby at the moment. So just looking to have some fun and make a little extra. My main investing is elsewhere.
     
  19. brandpainvestment

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  20. biggie

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    Hi

    If you notice, I put the minimum of 1% which is comparable to a domain that makes close to $2 a month.
    should you find some names that earn $5 or $10 a month, then your ROI goes up.to 5% or more.

    but that 1% was a factor for the total budget of $2k.
    if you calculate it for $500 spent for the traffic domains, then a return of $20 a year on that expenditure is close to 5%.

    the point....
    you can use those earnings to renew the names that produced the income, and any extra $ goes to renew the 3 letter .org or can be additional capital to buy more.

    it's possible to buy domains that earn $20 or more a year, for $500 or less on various platforms, including domain forums.

    imo...
     
  21. nhauctions

    nhauctions Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    I will look into this, as it's something that I hadn't previously considered.
     
  22. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent Gold Account VIP Trusted Blogger

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    You may be a relative newcomer, @Reddstagg but you certainly have the basic principles of domain investing right on! (y)

    I think a part of the selection process for any of us should be to acquire domains that we legitimately feel will be valuable to companies since that will help us in the selling part. We also should consider that we personally may be more effective in selling certain types of domains, and that somewhere down the list can enter the consideration.

    While totally agreeing with @NameJi that quality is king, and even recognizing that quite possibly your strategy of a single domain, probabilistically, may well result in the best returns, I personally have difficulty in putting my entire investment in just one domain.
    If one goes a liquid premium, while you will be able to sell it, you must be very sure you got it at a great price or you run a risk of loss. If not liquid, then even at a 5% sell through rate, odds are about 20 years to sell. Are we sure that branding trends will not change in that ten years? If not, I see risk that what is regarded as quality today, may not be so when the domain is likely to sell.. Now that is true for all domain name types but I just prefer not to put all of my investment on just one domain name.

    Bob
     
  23. DpakH

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    May invest in quality 2L,3L,4L dot com with a trademark free word
     
  24. brandpainvestment

    brandpainvestment Established Member

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    Great.
     
  25. Michael Ehrhardt

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    register register register... :xf.wink:
     

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