IDN.coms

[mike55]

.....in french

égal.com - equal
libéral.com - liberal

and swedish...

ända.com - end/posterior/behind/bum
över.com - over/about


short, catchy IDNs. thoughts? values?

 

[Fka200]

Love all this stuff on IDN but how do you search for names??

http://www.dynadot.com/domain/search2.html

 

[mona979]

OK, thanks but there must be a language tool so you can get words that mean something in these other languages?

 

[tee1]

OK, thanks but there must be a language tool so you can get words that mean something in these other languages?

resources try these
1. http://idntools.net/links.php
2. idns.ws
3. wikipedia.org (type in book in english, search left hand column gives a translation ect )
4. find a local

always confirm via multiple resources for best results.
not sure if that was what you were asking.

tee1

 

[jido]

Yes, it's very strange as to why the French don't permit IDN.fr . They can use their own language - not all French words contain accents...

I have seen French end-users regging IDN.COM, you just need to know where to look.

We French are used to French words without accents, Internet URLs is not the only place where computers deprived us of our accents... Anyway people do not all know the correct accents on some words :hehe:

I think some French words make sense as IDNs:

• words that have a different meaning with an accent on the last letter or without. Example:
  
  Peche --> pêche (peach/fishing), péché (sin)

• words with a ç -- without IDN it is written with a C but pronounced like a S. I have a few like that but no high traffic. Example:
  
  Lecon --> leçon (lesson), never read it with C sound to a French person!

 

[jacksonm]

We French are used to French words without accents, Internet URLs is not the only place where computers deprived us of our accents... Anyway people do not all know the correct accents on some words :hehe:

Parked French domains are difficult to monetize as well, what with the French government now requiring a 2-click system (portal) for all parked pages served to French IP addresses. All of the major parking providers are now in compliance as far as I know. This has nearly killed parking for French domains.

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[mike55]

jido, i think you help my argument.

take the name i have égal.com. there's no such name, nor is it possible to register, égal.fr. so for a TLD, égal.com is as good as it gets.

now a french speaking buyer or developer wants the proper word égal (equal) for a site. he could buy egal.com or egal.fr; but these are just LLLL domains, not the real word.

in these cases, when proper spelling is important (when isn't it?), IDN.com (.net, .org)makes perfect sense. it's the only alternative.

 

[jido]

Well who in French-speaking countries will visit égal.com? If you tell them your web site is "égal.com" they will type in egal.com. There is no user education that you can use accents in the URL, they just don't know about IDNs. Which is not surprising since they don't exist in the .fr TLD (neither .ca or .ch AFAIK).

 

[mike55]

all you have to do is type in the correct spelling of the word. every french keyboard has the ability to accomodate this. it's just as easy for you to type in égal as it is egal.

you don't have to use any strange codes, it's direct type-in.

when you search google.fr for a french word, do you skip the accents if the word contains one?

 

[jacksonm]

all you have to do is type in the correct spelling of the word. every french keyboard has the ability to accomodate this. it's just as easy for you to type in égal as it is egal.

you don't have to use any strange codes, it's direct type-in.

when you search google.fr for a french word, do you skip the accents if the word contains one?

Come to IDNF and search the site, there is a wealth of information and this topic has been discussed at length by french domainers there.

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[jido]

all you have to do is type in the correct spelling of the word. every french keyboard has the ability to accomodate this. it's just as easy for you to type in égal as it is egal.

you don't have to use any strange codes, it's direct type-in.

when you search google.fr for a french word, do you skip the accents if the word contains one?

Google understands accents. The URL bar, to the user's knowledge, does not. Is that clear enough?

Go and educate French-speaking people about IDNs. They may like to hear about it. But today that education is still to be done.


BTW why is it that in my browser when I type Nestlé.com and the site fails to resolve I do not get Nestle.com? Do you think that such experience encourages people to try and use accents in the URL? Just a thought.

 

[mike55]

i gotta say, you bring up very good points. i guess what i'm trying to say is that there's opportunity in IDN.com. in your browser, naturally type-in égal.com or libéral.com. you'll come to my parked pages. these are the proper french spelling of the words. egal and liberal.com are something entirely different, maybe in different languages.

as far as google goes, if i search properly for accented words, i find them too. i'll agree that people are unaware of the same function in the URL. again, this to me points out opportunity. what you're saying is that it may be some time down the road before it's realised.

as far as nestlé goes, good point. it is a reg'd name though. why it doesn't resolve to nestle.com or isn't developed, i can't say; but it is an oversight on someones part.

 

[thefabfive]

i gotta say, you bring up very good points. i guess what i'm trying to say is that there's opportunity in IDN.com. in your browser, naturally type-in égal.com or libéral.com. you'll come to my parked pages.

Not necessarily. If you're using IE6 you will get an error. Even though IE7 has been released for over a year now, IE6 is still the dominant browser in most of the world. So even though people may be typing in IDN.com into the URL bar, a relatively small fraction actually get anywhere. For now.

 

[mike55]

geez, i just can't win. yes i suppose if you're using old software, then there's a problem. IE6 has a plugin to address languages however. all current browsers support it.

btw, as of dec '07, IE7 passed IE6 in usage worldwide.

remember, these IDNs are targeted toward their respective countries/languages, not english only speaking resellers/developers.

 

[jacksonm]

geez, i just can't win. yes i suppose if you're using old software, then there's a problem. IE6 has a plugin to address languages however. all current browsers support it.

No, you make the market come to you, although there are those who try their darndest every day.

Do you realize that the only time most people update _anything_ is when they get their next computer? Or when Youporn.com stops working with IE6 and has a big fat message to upgrade to IE7?

Also realize that the people who will type-in domains and click your ads are not the people who will understand what plugin means.

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[thefabfive]

geez, i just can't win. yes i suppose if you're using old software, then there's a problem. IE6 has a plugin to address languages however. all current browsers support it.

btw, as of dec '07, IE7 passed IE6 in usage worldwide.

remember, these IDNs are targeted toward their respective countries/languages, not english only speaking resellers/developers.

I'm not trying to be a naysayer. I believe in IDNs. But the progress is not as rosy as some portray. IE7 may have passed IE6 in usage worldwide, but I bet the peaks in usage are in the US and the troughs are overseas. IE7 has not passed IE6 in Japan, China, Russia, the Arabic countries, or most other countries that matter to IDNs.

It is happening, but it will take time.

 

[mike55]

back to my original post in this thread.

égal.com (equal)
libéral.com (liberal)
holà.com (hi or hey!)

good? bad?

 

[thefabfive]

back to my original post in this thread.

égal.com (equal)
libéral.com (liberal)
holà.com (hi or hey!)

good? bad?

Sorry, wasn't paying attention to the original post.

Personally, I think terms like this will eventually because worthwhile, but right now I would avoid them. Have you check FR Overture? égal and libéral both have some Google trends, but I'm guessing they're used more in combinations with other words rather than standalone. holà doesn't seem to be very popular.

:imho:

 

[mike55]

thanks. where do you check for FR overture, or any other country overture?

 

[jacksonm]

thanks. where do you check for FR overture, or any other country overture?

I believe Yahoo shut down all of it's overture services. They hadn't been updated since last April, but they stopped responding a few months ago as far as I remember.

There are less accurate tools available now, such as Google keyword tool (intentionally less accurate IMO). Keyword tool only tells you if it's very high, high, average, low, or very low search volume.

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[thefabfive]

Yes, the overture tools haven't been updated for about a year and they are very unresponsive, but you can still get through every once in a while if you have the patience.

French Overture Link

http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/?mkt=fr

 

[thegenius1]

thanks. where do you check for FR overture, or any other country overture?

Many members have asked for the following thread to be stickied but has not to date , hopefully the mod that stickied the other thread could do this one as well.

http://www.namepros.com/idn-discussion/293414-international-overture-tools.html

 

[Rubber Duck]

If you are looking for a definitive list of resources then you should go here:

http://www.dnlocal.com/resources-p8.html

 

[sooty]

Here is the corrected link: http://www.dnlocal.com/index.php?pageid=Resources

You can also check out my free 49 page guide on IDNs: http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/427035-free-book-on-idns.html#post2513601

There are some minor corrections that I need to make but otherwise it's a decent primer.