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Hey Guys,

So I received an offer from a billion dollar public company for a 4 letter word .co domain I own (LLLL.co) The domain is the companies name.

They first offered me $2500 for the domain, I declined, and replied saying that my selling price is in the mid to high five figures range ($xx,xxx)

They then adjusted there offer to $10,000. (yesterday, I haven't replied back yet)


My question to you guys is am I being too greedy? What price would you sell a 4 letter word .co domain for? I feel like I should at least get mid five figures. What do you think?

for some context the .com is already in use by another company and they're not likely to sell, hence why I think they want the .co. instead.



I want to hear your thoughts. (Before I reply back to them) :) :coffee:
 
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Hi guys, I have an update for you.

After a month of negotiating back and forth with the buyer, I can finally reveal that yesterday we came to an agreement, the domain has sold for $30k.

The Escrow is currently underway, I am very happy with the outcome.

Appreciate all you guys who responded to this post. Thank you! :xf.smile:
 
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There are 6,451 public companies that are valued over a billion.

Of those, 171 have 4 letters as their company name.

Visa
TSMC
LVMH
ICBC
ASML
CATL
Nike
AT&T
HSBC
Dior
Sony
KDDI
Vale
RELX
Ford
Enel
Uber
CIBC
BASF
Sika
MSCI
Hoya
Dell
Zoom
Hess
MPLX
PSEG
eBay
SMIC
GoTo
KONE
E.ON
CRRC
KaÅ
ORIX
Aena
DiDi
Aeon
Snap
Snam
Okta
MFHC
Exor
IDEX
OBIC
NICE
Cboe
Etsy
FICO
Roku
Mowi
AMEC
Nexi
PUMA
Ally
Xero
IMCD
ASUS
GAIL
AGCO
Olin
Rohm
Flex
Trex
CACI
Coty
ZOZO
Unum
PLDT
ENKA
TOTO
Saia
Rumo
SoFi
HYBE
SAIC
ASGN
Sixt
Lyft
Olam
Onex
PCCW
ATCO
Acom
SPIE
Scor
Kuka
GATX
TTEC
SATS
Atul
Jamf
Aaon
Ambu
ESAB
Ozon
Jet2
Dana
Acer
EQRx
CBIZ
EVgo
Yelp
JOYY
DeNA
XPEL
FIGS
CDSL
SJVN
Cohu
ASOS
Fila
tuya
stem
Mixi
Atos
TDCX
PROS
TORM
Veru
IDFC
Gree
Domo
IonQ
Paya
Momo
Afya
CEVA
Huya
VEON
MMTC
Azul
BEML
Ebix
MBIA
CEWE
Viad
CEAT
VTEX
Gevo
Yext
AMMO
Seer
PORR
ON24
View
MOIL
Sify
Qiwi
AEye
Ooma
Cian
Sono
Doma
Gati
KORE
GEOX
LCNB
Quad
KLab
gumi
HEXO
Gaia
MICT
Mogo
Koss
Culp
iBio
The9
IMTE
Winc

Of those, 146 I would consider pronounceable (some barely)

Visa
ASML
CATL
Nike
Dior
Sony
KDDI
Vale
RELX
Ford
Enel
Uber
BASF
Sika
MSCI
Hoya
Dell
Zoom
Hess
eBay
SMIC
GoTo
KONE
ORIX
Aena
DiDi
Aeon
Snap
Snam
Okta
Exor
IDEX
OBIC
NICE
Cboe
Etsy
FICO
Roku
Mowi
AMEC
Nexi
PUMA
Ally
Xero
ASUS
GAIL
AGCO
Olin
Rohm
Flex
Trex
CACI
Coty
ZOZO
Unum
ENKA
TOTO
Saia
Rumo
SoFi
HYBE
SAIC
Sixt
Lyft
Olam
Onex
ATCO
Acom
SPIE
Scor
Kuka
GATX
TTEC
SATS
Atul
Aaon
Ambu
ESAB
Ozon
Jet2
Dana
Acer
CBIZ
EVgo
Yelp
JOYY
DeNA
XPEL
FIGS
Cohu
ASOS
Fila
tuya
stem
Mixi
Atos
PROS
TORM
Veru
Gree
Domo
IonQ
Paya
Momo
Afya
CEVA
Huya
VEON
Azul
Ebix
MBIA
CEWE
Viad
CEAT
VTEX
Gevo
Yext
AMMO
Seer
PORR
ON24
View
MOIL
Sify
Qiwi
AEye
Ooma
Cian
Sono
Doma
Gati
KORE
GEOX
Quad
KLab
gumi
HEXO
Gaia
MICT
Mogo
Koss
Culp
iBio
The9
IMTE
Winc

You are saying that the dotcom is in use by a company that won't sell, therefore, we could eliminate many names like Visa, Uber, Yelp, Gaia, Nike, Dior, Sony, Ebay, Snap, Winc, Culp, KDDI, Ford, Fila, Etsy, Qiwi, DeNa, Ozon, Mowi, Quad, Dell, Flex, Koss, Gati, Dana, Ally, Acer, Toto, Olam, etc that have the dotcom and we could eliminate others where the dotcom is not working or parked like IMTE, PORR I could narrow it down to under 10 like Mogo :unsure: Sify etc. that is if you meant over a billion but even as I look through the list and use some good bots to help, something is off with the data you have given so far.

Edit, with the new info you gave, I have no contenders.

Edit 2: see my post later
 
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First off. It can make a big difference if the billion dollar company is a product company with lots of brands under it, or if it's a technology based company that is going to use the domain for their main brand. But what seems to matter most is whether that person leading the company is a believer in branding and how domains play a large part in that branding, as opposed to a non-believer.

I had an inquiry from a company with over a billion dollars in revenue annually, who told me $14,500 was too much for a domain that exactly matched their product brand name after they contacted me to buy it. I've also seen a 2-3 guy startup with a JUUL (e-cigarette) accessory product use their own financing and pay $15k for the domain with little hesitation.

So if the company looks like they'd be using it as their main website, personally I would stick to the pricing you have in mind.

Negotiating is always a game of determining the buyer's Reservation Value (RV) vs your Reservation Value (RV). The Zone of Possible Agreement (ZOPA) is anywhere between your RV and your buyer's RV.

One thing to keep in mind is your domain doesn't sound like it had a price set from the start, so the buyer was not aware of your asking price with their first offer. With no anchor price set at the beginning, the anchor is going to be their first low offer. Because of this, the negotiations are going to inherently start slow. This is one reason why your landing page should only offer a "Price Upon Request" option rather than "Make An Offer". So it may take a couple iterations of refusal to anchor your price in the mid-high 5 figures.

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From(http://www.successfulnegotiators.co...tion-terminology-batna-reservation-value-zopa) & Negotiation Genius (http://www.negotiationgenius.com/)


You seem to be on the right path. As Rick has stated in the past, don't give a counter offer or actual price until they are close to your internally decided price. That way you still have some flexibility if things come to a halt. You've told them mid to high 5 figure, so there's no need to say more. With their next offer you can talk about the big plans you had for the domain, or what the domain could do for a company when used in it's best possible use case.

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If the domain is realistically in the realm of the domains below, that's another good indicator that you are in good shape. If they are a smaller company, you can also say you'd consider equity or a small percentage if the company gets acquired, rather than upfront financing for the right startup. Rick took a smaller initial amount for teem(dot)com (I believe around $30k or so), and that was a huge payoff for him in the end with it paying out over $1 million based on the agreement. Doing it this way, you are leaving the deal open no matter who it is if they are really serious. A startup with limited cash can still make it happen if they are serious about it.

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Most serious buyers are going to make a push to convince you with several back and forths, especially if you are sticking to only giving a "mid to high 5 figure" range rather than setting a price. A couple months ago I sold SimpleLogin(dot)com for a little over $16k. My listed asking price was $25,000 on the domain, which I'm starting to believe static prices are a bad idea for potentially higher value domains.

The buyer of SimpleLogin(dot)com was adamant about not agreeing to offering a percentage if/when the company is acquired, which I thought was strange. But they assured me it was because they were getting government grants, and it could affect their eligibility for future grants, which was a creative and somewhat convincing argument. Ultimately, I should have went with my gut on this because in the end I found out that they were already in talks to be acquired by ProtonMail and are planning on creating "dozens" of jobs in the coming years.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/08/proton-buys-simplelogin/


By offering the option of a percentage if/when the company is acquired, you are really taking a gamble on the company and only getting a payoff in the event the company is a huge success. To the buyer, as a startup, this is easy for them to give away because there is little upfront cost, and if they are acquired in the future, the 2%-3% given to you will not be significant, since they'll have a windfall. Additionally, the domain may help them be acquired faster while not hindering their startup expenses with huge upfront costs.
 
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I would also look into what other options they might have before I gave my counter-offer. Could they use a .net, .io, .xyz or another extension instead? Or a .com with "go" in front of it or "inc" at the end?

It is very difficult to say. Sometimes a small company is willing to spend a lot of money on a domain, but there is no guarantee that even a billion dollar company will be willing to do so.
 
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It's a generic dictionary word! pronounceable

No one can really answer the question. The company could be willing to pay $10K or $50K or more.
Who knows. We don't have the full information.

If you ask like $15K or $20K you might get it. I doubt it would turn them off.
If you ask some absurd amount , they might just walk away.

Brad
 
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Fair enough. But it's a billion dollar company. They spend 100s of thousands on the most trivial things we can imagine. Highly unlikely they'll walk away if asked 20-30k more
There are some common misconceptions about negotiating with rich persons & companies that you have to take into account, as well. I think it's very well described here:

"A major misconception of the sales process with wealthy individuals is that you don't need to substantiate pricing in the same manner as with less affluent clients. The basic thinking here is, 'Hey, these people are loaded! Charge whatever you want!' [...] While there are exceptions to every rule, most high-end customers are discerning, knowledgeable buyers. They have likely been there before and can spot a seller who is trying to take advantage of their wealth. [...] So even when it seems like your client stuffs their tissue box with $100 bills, don't assume they ignore prices and swipe their credit card blindly."


Several members in this thread have already given very good comments, which I agree with. We still don't know the exact domain name in question, so it remains very difficult to estimate a domain value in the complete context and for a specific market.

Opinions differ on this, and people on this forum are using different methods to price and negotiate their domains, but personally I'd say: try to price the domain as much upfront as possible, based on the inherent value the domain name can add to a business, rather than 'ad hoc' adjusting the price to the apparent wealth of the accidental buyer who happens to present themselves. The buyer may have a budget, and a lot of debt.

I wish OP good luck in negotiating this deal, and it would be nice if we could hear the outcome someday. (y)
 
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I agree with those who say ''take the money''. Most likely you'll be waiting forever for the next offer (remember, it's co and not a dictionary word).
As an option - counter at 15000, but if no reply for 4 days - agree on 10000.
 
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A couple of recent sales :

eth.co 300k
leaf.co 89k
versus.co 75k
electra.co 50k
heyday.co 45k
novo.co 35k
 
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Hey Guys,

So I received an offer from a billion dollar public company for a 4 letter word .co domain I own (LLLL.co) The domain is the companies name.

They first offered me $2500 for the domain, I declined, and replied saying that my selling price is in the mid to high five figures range ($xx,xxx)

They then adjusted there offer to $10,000. (yesterday, I haven't replied back yet)


My question to you guys is am I being too greedy? What price would you sell a 4 letter word .co domain for? I feel like I should at least get mid five figures. What do you think?

for some context the .com is already in use by another company and they're not likely to sell, hence why I think they want the .co. instead.



I want to hear your thoughts. (Before I reply back to them) :) :coffee:

last guy in similar shoes on here at some point instead of increasing their offers they just sent him a lawyer tm email
 
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Without knowing the name - I'm guessing it's not a very common real word, but just a company's name or initials. I would sell it for $10k.
 
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The Op hasn’t replied in weeks. I’d say the offer went nowhere. (Or he’s off spending his💰lolz)
 
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It depends on the domain and pool of buyers. Is it a generic term with many potential buyers or just some random brand?

Brad
 
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Write back appreciating their improved offer. In your initial email, you said you were after a "mid to high five figure". Continue along that line and do give them a mid to high five figure BIN. Don't delay your response and don't lie. Move quickly and act respectfully and honourably. Give them two weeks to respond. You can reduce your asking price to nearer the $10K if they don't respond after this time. If they walk away, hard luck, and maybe you should have accepted the $10K in the first place! If it's a dictionary word as you've said, you'll probably get another buyer in future, but there are no guarantees. All the best!
 
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Hmmm, maybe provide some clues about the domain name.

Is it a dictionary word, pronouncable? If this buyer decides it's too high of a price for them would it be a good fit for any other end-users that can offer at least 10K?
 
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There is no way to know for sure without knowing the name and no don’t post it here.

Unless we are talking about a very popular 4 letter dictionary word I think your expectations are way high. Co etc usually goes for a fraction of the dot com.

Start by checking out the prices on the other extensions that are registered or if they are developed. Check for trademark.

I believe 10K is pretty damn good for a co.
 
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.co isn't .com, .com is King, anyway good luck.
 
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for some context the .com is already in use by another company and they're not likely to sell, hence why I think they want the .co. instead.
Hi

how do you know what company is making the offer?

also, how likely is the .com owner to litigate for your .co name?

did you acquire the .co prior to the inquiring company's date of usage?

and....don't bargain just to make a headline.

imo....
 
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$10k - $25k is a great price for a dictionary word in .co somewhere inbetween is the deal. good luck.
 
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There have been 26 .co sell (and listed on NameBio) for more than $10,000 over past 5 years. Here is link to set:
https://namebio.com/?s==YTMzgTN4czM

Most of them are words. Not sure if I missed if this is or is not.

$10,000 a good price, which personally I would probably accept. But, a big company, as @bmugford said is unlikely to walk away if you ask for a bit more as long as not crazy.

The advice about other options someone offered above is good to know as well.

I really hope it works out in a great sale for you!

Bob
 
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Stick to your guns.. The generic bias of Namepros is to undervalue domain names (which is why this is a great platform for buying and quite bad for selling, only good for liquidating)

There is really not enough information to know if the domain is undervalued.

Considering even top tier .CO rarely sell for $10K, I think it would have to be a pretty amazing term to be "undervalued" at $10K.

You can try to extract more, but also factor in what is the likelihood of another $10K+ buyer coming along in the near future?

Anyone can make one random outlier sale. You have to play the likelihoods to have a repeatable business model.

Brad
 
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Hey Guys,

So I received an offer from a billion dollar public company for a 4 letter word .co domain I own (LLLL.co) The domain is the companies name.

They first offered me $2500 for the domain, I declined, and replied saying that my selling price is in the mid to high five figures range ($xx,xxx)

They then adjusted there offer to $10,000. (yesterday, I haven't replied back yet)


My question to you guys is am I being too greedy? What price would you sell a 4 letter word .co domain for? I feel like I should at least get mid five figures. What do you think?

for some context the .com is already in use by another company and they're not likely to sell, hence why I think they want the .co. instead.



I want to hear your thoughts. (Before I reply back to them) :) :coffee:
It's been a week @Nomad91 - any updates? What's the latest? I'm sure I'm not the only one living vicariously through this negotiation :D
 
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$2500 sounds like a "cost of filing a 3 member URDP" test offer. Potentially. IDK

$10,000 sounds like a filing fee + lawyer's fee test. Potentially. IDK

At some point, soon, you may find out - especially if that 4L "word" or company name is subject to a (TM).

Never lose sight of the "possibility" that it may ALSO be your luck that the entity making an offer decides to go after your other assets IF you put them to the test.

I've never priced a domain based on the buyer's identity. I've always priced based upon my estimation of the domains value in use . . and I've always and only registered generic domains.

MAYBE my approach to pricing has cost me $$$$+ - since MAYBE BigCorp could have / would have paid more - BUT fixing my own prices has also made like a bit easier. "Big Corp" can deal with a well reasoned fixed price demand AND well reasoned pricing speeds the sales process along.

EVEN IF you are going to price a domain based on the identity of the buyer you MAY STILL face endless self-doubt . . about the eventual sale. How will you know if BigCorp was bluffing when they declared "This is our final offer"? If they walk away, then what? Will you then be left to wait for the "other shoe to drop", i.e., for the UDRP filing - since you concluded you could be more since they could may more?

FWIW, I've sold domains to corporations including Microsoft and TripAdvisor and others I can't be bothered to remember . . well, maybe, Google (or an entity jointly owned/held by G). It was nice to know the enduser buyer, even if only after the fact, but it never mattered.

Have well versed friends you can ask for a "fully informed reality check" in private.

Don't post the domain(s) in public forums, for reasons that should be obvious . . and if they aren't . . ask a trusted friend.
 
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How many extensions are taken?

How many companies are on Linkedin, with the exact same name? How many of them are big companies?
 
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Hi

how do you know what company is making the offer?

also, how likely is the .com owner to litigate for your .co name?

did you acquire the .co prior to the inquiring company's date of usage?

and....don't bargain just to make a headline.

imo....
how do you know what company is making the offer? from the email address.
how likely is the .com owner to litigate for your .co name? not likely
did you acquire the .co prior to the inquiring company's date of usage? no, although it is a generic name

appreciate the feedback :)


 
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