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Hey NamePros 👋

My name is Doron Vermaat. I am a co-founder of Efty and have been a domain name investor since 2012.

I have also been an active member of the forum before, but it's been a while!

I am back and looking forward to actively participating again in this community in both a professional capacity, representing our company and as an investor, talking about domains and the aftermarket.

Ask me Anything!
 
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1. In 2006, I co-founded an employment website for the Greater China region. That company didn’t succeed and was shut down four years later.

The domain, which we stupidly had administered by our web development company, was neglected and ultimately expired from Network Solutions around 3.5 years ago. I wanted to relaunch the site, so I researched how to gain ownership of the domain again once it dropped.

This led me to NameJet, where all the expired inventory from NetSol is being auctioned. At NameJet, I learned about the domain name aftermarket, drops, and auctions. That month, I won the auction for the NewChinaCareer.com domain name but also started bidding on several others that caught my eye. I was hooked right away.

2. I don't get emotionally attached to domains for my investment portfolio. But occasionally, you manage to acquire a name that really resonates with you or a term that has sentimental or nostalgic value. Some examples of these are MovingUp.com, which I acquired early on and resonated with me in my journey as a domain name investor. More recently, I managed to pick up PlantParent.com—a name I like because, well, I love plants!

3. $25,000 is the most I've spent on a single domain so far.
4. $82,000 is my biggest sale so far.

5. I start my day looking after the kids, who are eight and two, making them breakfast and prepping them for the day. I also walk our dog. She's old now (17 years old), so it's a short stroll these days. Then, I usually sit down for an hour to review emails and customer support tickets for Efty. I don't have a set routine for the rest of the day. If the weather is nice, I may spend a few hours in the garden or run first. I spent many years in sales and business development, during which my days were dominated by a calendar full of meetings. These days, I usually say no to calls and meetings unless they are with the team at Efty. As a result, my calendar is pretty much empty these days, so there's little distraction. I usually go to our office for a few hours, where I work on Efty Pay and my NameRockstar business. I work out every day; on days I do not run, I go to the gym to do calisthenics or weights. I love to follow that up with a nap when I can, and if I am lucky, I wake up to a domain sale ;)

Most days, I am back home somewhere in the afternoon to spend more time with the kids or help out with cooking. Once the kids are in bed, I often work for another 2 or 3 hours, then I go to bed between ten and eleven.

6. I would be bored quickly if I only had an investment portfolio to manage. I was a founder of a job board business before, and when that adventure ended, Lionel, my co-founder, and I were looking for the right idea to start a business. We’re long-time friends and thought that building a business together would be a great “excuse” to travel and see each other more often since I moved from the Netherlands to Hong Kong several years earlier. So when I came up with the idea for Efty, Lionel hopped on a plane to Hong Kong right away, and a few months later, we launched an early beta of Efty. Sometimes folks think it's easy what we do with Efty - "it's just a landing page," etc - It took many years and a massive investment of time and resources before Lionel and I could pay ourselves a salary from the business and bring on more people such as Patrick Kosterman who joined as our CTO and has taken ownership of building our Efty Pay We have seen many competitors of Efty come and go over the years. Turns out it is not that easy.
This is my personal favorite post on NamePros in a very long time, Doron.

It was an absolute pleasure to read.

Thank you so much for sharing!
 
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Sometimes folks think it's easy what we do with Efty - "it's just a landing page," etc
Agreed; it is far more challenging than meets the eye.

Even the forums, where everyone thinks, "It's just installing forum software." If they only knew. Our developers are constantly having to spend time on SecOps, DevOps, infrastructure, and database projects to maintain everything, but all us non-techies just want new features, features, features! 😅

Everything looks easy from the outside.

It reminds me of when LaunchRock.com opened, offering a very similar service to Efty but geared toward startups looking to build email lists prior to their launches. Many people thought it was such a simple service that's easy to build, but no one else managed to compete with them because it's actually a lot more difficult than anyone realized.

I spent many years in sales and business development, during which my days were dominated by a calendar full of meetings.
How long ago did you leave your standard day job?

Were you able to leave it because of domain sales or Efty income?

If the latter, then maybe more domainers should become builders! :)
 
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@Doron Vermaat

You last raised cash in 2014.

You've got an opportunity here to establish yourself as one of the few non-Godaddy associated marketplaces.

10 years later have you considered offering out equity at a sensible valuation to domainers (for cash obviously) so that we can literally have a vested interest in seeing the site thrive and ensuring some 'buy in'. And then using this raise to accelerated development and growth?

Even better would be a subsequent system of 1 vote per shareholder on certain key/major issues or events, so you can guarantee that a buy out has to be ratified by the very people who will stock your marketplace. People are very wary right now of building something on a site only to see the founders sell out to GoDaddy.

You can say you never would, but Dan would have said that too, and so would Afternic.

I'm thinking the 'fan equity' model that exists within football, but for domainers.

And not an equity crowdfunding site with a nominee structure, keep it within the domaining community.
 
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@Doron Vermaat

I also truly appreciate the slightly alternative and honest X version of your journey that led to domain investing.


You have radically changed your lifestyle.

It applies to everyone that actively working towards a better future and reflecting on your mistakes can take you further.

I hope you'll enjoy this article that appeared in Dutch newspaper AD.nl today.

https://archive.ph/Oq8Dj

Summary:

Recruiter Stephan, who hires around 150 employees annually for a financial services company, values candidates who have experienced failures and learned from them. He has shifted away from traditional recruitment methods that focus on perfection and now asks candidates to provide a “failure CV” detailing their mistakes and lessons learned. This approach leads to more genuine conversations and better candidate matches. Stephan believes that embracing failures can address staff shortages and enhance adaptability in the workforce. He is currently seeking a candidate for a special management department and considers Alexander, a former business owner who recently faced bankruptcy, as an ideal fit due to his real-world experience.
 
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How long ago did you leave your standard day job?

Were you able to leave it because of domain sales or Efty income?

If the latter, then maybe more domainers should become builders! :)
I left my last full-time job in 2016 to go all in on domains, but I quickly realized the cash flow was too unreliable to afford to provide for a family in Hong Kong (where I lived at the time). I ended up doing some SaaS consulting to complement my income for another few years. In 2020, I finally was comfortable enough to stop the consulting gig, and I went all in on domains!
The monthly fee the founding team is taking out of Efty can be considered a median income in the Netherlands, but the income generated by my domain sales far surpasses that of Efty and is the big cash cow.
@Doron Vermaat

You last raised cash in 2014.

You've got an opportunity here to establish yourself as one of the few non-Godaddy associated marketplaces.

10 years later have you considered offering out equity at a sensible valuation to domainers (for cash obviously) so that we can literally have a vested interest in seeing the site thrive and ensuring some 'buy in'. And then using this raise to accelerated development and growth?

Even better would be a subsequent system of 1 vote per shareholder on certain key/major issues or events, so you can guarantee that a buy out has to be ratified by the very people who will stock your marketplace. People are very wary right now of building something on a site only to see the founders sell out to GoDaddy.

You can say you never would, but Dan would have said that too, and so would Afternic.

I'm thinking the 'fan equity' model that exists within football, but for domainers.

And not an equity crowdfunding site with a nominee structure, keep it within the domaining community.
Many folks from within the domain name industry asked us to invest in the early days. We only said yes to @Michael Cyger because he was able to bring a lot more (aside from the cash) to the table by helping us promote Efty through DomainSherpa at the time. Mike's investment and ambassadorship of the company have been invaluable in those early days. Unfortunately, he couldn't stay involved with Efty when he joined GoDaddy after the DNAcademy acquisition, so now, the company is 100% owned by us, and we intend to keep it that way. Often, having many shareholders holds companies back in innovation and makes them more vulnerable to takeovers.
@Doron Vermaat

I also truly appreciate the slightly alternative and honest X version of your journey that led to domain investing.


You have radically changed your lifestyle.

It applies to everyone that actively working towards a better future and reflecting on your mistakes can take you further.

Thanks. I think many of us have struggled with addiction in one way or another. We live in a world where access to easy dopamine (pleasure) is all around us, not just in the obvious things such as drugs and alcohol but also in smartphones, gaming, shopping, etc. Finding out you can achieve pleasure through pain instead of the other way around has been a game-changer for me.

Enduring short-term suffering can lead to greater long-term happiness and pleasure. I'd be happy to take more questions on that subject :)
 
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I wonder if you can go into some detail about kicking leads over to a Saw broker. How the process works, do they get a cut of the sales, does it go thru Escrow, some other way, etc.
 
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Would it be possible to . . . make some changes to this thread such as the Title and so on? Happy to discuss in DM!
Yes, please send us a DM with what you’d like updated. Thanks.
 
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@Doron Vermaat

Did Dan/GoDaddy only give you one day notice on this? Today is the 4th and notice is sent out that something is getting discontinued the next day:

"GoDaddy will discontinue the Dan.com Integrator service as of September 5, 2024. Efty was its first integrator, and the partnership signaled to the market that collaboration between aftermarket players to deliver more value for sellers was possible. You can click here to read what this means for you and see if you need to take any action"

I'm still trying to figure out if somebody gave a Dan shutdown date.
 
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@Doron Vermaat

Did Dan/GoDaddy only give you one day notice on this? Today is the 4th and notice is sent out that something is getting discontinued the next day:

"GoDaddy will discontinue the Dan.com Integrator service as of September 5, 2024. Efty was its first integrator, and the partnership signaled to the market that collaboration between aftermarket players to deliver more value for sellers was possible. You can click here to read what this means for you and see if you need to take any action"

I'm still trying to figure out if somebody gave a Dan shutdown date.
It was already communicated earlier:

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/dan-com-integrator-api-to-shut-down-in-september/
 
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I asked few days ago some questions but no answer from the support for the moment, here is a copy of the questions :

Do you offer only wire or also credit card with eftypay ? What are fees for eftypay ? Is it possible to use eftypay without other services (using my own landings)
Do you offer LTO ?

What would be the cost of efty for up to 100000 domains ?
 
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I asked few days ago some questions but no answer from the support for the moment, here is a copy of the questions :

Do you offer only wire or also credit card with eftypay ? What are fees for eftypay ? Is it possible to use eftypay without other services (using my own landings)
Do you offer LTO ?

What would be the cost of efty for up to 100000 domains ?

Wire Only Initially
3.5%
Not Yet
Had Dan Integration But That Ended September 5th
https://efty.com/contact/

https://domainnamewire.com/2024/07/22/efty-pay-launches-first-iteration-of-efty-pay/
 
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This is presented as an 'introductory commission'. I believe it will be 5% later on.

Escrow Pay is another option. I've been using an Escrow brokerage account for decades as it makes things nice looking. company logo/details on all invoices etc... Good for somebody that has to deal with VAT as all details of buyer/seller crystal clear on invoices.

Since leads come direct you could process wherever you like though...

Sedo 3%
Efty Pay 3.5%, Raisng to 5% Later?
Atom Pay 4.5%
PayPal
Stripe
EscrowDomains
Direct Wire
etc....
 
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