Humanity and Cyber Attacks

[oldtimer]

What is wrong with this picture?

What's wrong here is that there is a War going on between the AltRight and the AltLeft which has found its way in every aspect of our civilization and society and now even companies, business, media, journalists, and even judges and doctors are beginning to take sides.

The way things are going I see World War III just around the corner because no one wants to change their ways.

IMO


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Everyone's opinion is appreciated, but your comments must be on topic and be on the professional, constructive, and respectful side.

 

[DN Playbook]

Sorry, don't know how to respond to this.

Let me try.

The bad news is that the Humanity and our Home Planet are on a path of self destruction (this thread is only a sample of what we can expect to come if we all stay on the same course).

But the good news is that it's not too late for everyone to change their old ways and try to ascend to a higher level of existence and thinking by finding some common grounds over the Universal Principles and Values that are derived through Logic and Compassion (as I have been repeatedly saying all along).

IMO

I think we are seriously overthinking and dramatizing the scope of this thread. Indeed, the new war is taking place in the digital domain. Hacking into government systems, misinformation campaigns, etc. But this is not what is happening here. Yes, the reason why E got hacked is because of their backing of far-right extremist players and their poor security. Hacking has been around for a long time. I have had a site defaced by an extreme person or group from the middle east. I have been attacked by ransomware. I have had my server infected with spamware and used to send mass spam. I have been attacked by other scam artists. This is an unfortunate and frustrating aspect of working online. But I used each opportunity to learn, improve security, and adapt my behavior.

What we expect in these situations is transparency, honesty, and positive changes. I don't think that is unreasonable.

 

[jmcc]

You were the last person that I expected to say something like that,

There is a lot of misinformation and speculation about the Epik breach and many people are using this thread to keep informed on the situation.

Once personal philosophies and the political posturing enter into the thread, objectivity is lost and people end up fighting each other instead of adding to the knowledge of the situation. There's a time and place for philosophies and politics but this is a search for the facts about what happened. This is why it is important to focus on the Epik databreach and its effects.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Future Sensors]

greed, hate, lust, jealousy, and lack of empathy

That's a lot of accusations. But since you're probably a good person yourself, I'll let you get away with it.

In the meantime, I'm going to pick some lavender and enjoy OpenBSD.

 

[Future Sensors]

What's wrong here is that there is a War going on between the AltRight and the AltLeft which has found its way in every aspect of our civilization and society and now even companies, business, media, journalists, and even judges and doctors are beginning to take sides.

The way things are going I see World War III just around the corner because no one wants to change their ways.

IMO

Interesting thought, but you are far from the first to make this prediction since WW II. There are now other forms of warfare, namely in the digital domain, where war already takes place permanently. Countries are now changing their defensive capabilities into offensive ones, sometimes after constitutional amendments. There is definitely a new arms race going on, but not in the traditional sense. Did you know that Russia has taken far-reaching steps to be able to disconnect the entire country from the rest of the Internet if necessary?

 

[DN Playbook]

Nevertheless I have said what I wanted to say so I guess we can get back on topic (all the fighting that is).

By stating this IMO you are trivializing the discourse. It is appropriate to hold someone in a responsible position accountable. The fighting only comes when that person resists by denial, deflection, or gaslighting. Many facts are out there. Coming in buckets and drips.

Although I fundamentally disagree with many things RM says and does, I do believe that E can be reincarnated in some form of a version of itself. Though I can't see it reach mass market. But if RM insists on the same course then there will continue to be scandals even if he has the resources to keep the company running.

 

[DN Playbook]

As I have mentioned earlier on this thread everyone has to decide what the goal is here as far as whether it's to Destroy or to Reform and although there are no guarantees that Epik is willing or able to rebrand with a new mindset, strategy, goal, and platform even if given the chance and as such I reserve all judgments about this situation until I see what steps are going to be taken going forward.

But my comments earlier on this page go far beyond the situation with Epik as I am trying to explore the root causes that have in great part contributed to the situation at hand (in addition to some of the laxed security systems and protocols).

IMO

I appreciate the position you are coming from. The scope of this thread is the E situation. If we delve into the big picture, root causes, morals, cyber wars, etc., then the thread can be easily derailed. As mentioned by @jmcc, another thread should be created for that.

 

[oldtimer]

Interesting thought, but you are far from the first to make this prediction since WWII. There are now other forms of warfare, namely in the digital domain, where war already takes place permanently. Countries are now changing their defensive capabilities into offensive ones, sometimes after constitutional amendments. There is definitely a new arms race going on, but not in the traditional sense. Did you know that Russia has taken far-reaching steps to be able to disconnect the entire country from the rest of the Internet if necessary?

The bad news is that the Humanity and our Home Planet are on a path of self destruction (this thread is only a sample of what we can expect to come if we all stay on the same course).

But the good news is that it's not too late for everyone to change their old ways and try to ascend to a higher level of existence and thinking by finding some common grounds over the Universal Principles and Values that are derived through Logic and Compassion (as I have been repeatedly saying all along).

IMO

 

[SirDrago]

You can find the answer by freeing your mind of all the biases and constraints that have been put on you by all the old philosophies, doctrines, and ideologies and let yourself be guided by your sense of Logic and Compassion.

Although for you to be able to find true Logic and Compassion you first need to become a Force For Good by freeing yourself of all the bad human characteristics of greed, hate, lust, jealousy, and lack of empathy and be able to put the good and interest of the Humanity and our Environment above your self interest.

IMO

 

[D Haynes]

I think maybe the whole left vs right issue is way way way overblown. Outside the US its not even a thing. I mean if I didn't listen to the Joe Rogan podcast I wouldn't even know there was such a thing and the alt left and alt right. The vast vast majority of people are more worried about their own lives and how to pay the bills than what other peoples beliefs and opinions are.

As for the people who are in these groups, I fear you would have to be incredibly naive to think they can change. A high percentage of people are morons or idiots unfortunately.

 

[oldtimer]

By stating this IMO you are trivializing the discourse. It is appropriate to hold someone in a responsible position accountable. The fighting only comes when that person resists by denial, deflection, or gaslighting. Many facts are out there. Coming in buckets and drips.

Although I fundamentally disagree with many things RM says and does, I do believe that E can be reincarnated in some form of a version of itself. Although I can't see it reach mass market. But if RM insists on the same course then there will continue to be scandals even if he has the resources to keep the company running.

As I have mentioned earlier on this thread everyone has to decide what the goal is here as far as whether it's to Destroy or to Reform and although there are no guarantees that Epik is willing or able to rebrand with a new mindset, strategy, goal, and platform even if given the chance and as such I reserve all judgments about this situation until I see what steps are going to be taken going forward.

But my comments earlier on this page go far beyond the situation with Epik as I am trying to explore the root causes that have in great part contributed to the situation at hand (in addition to some of the laxed security systems and protocols).

IMO

 

[DN Playbook]

I appreciate the position you are coming from. The scope of this thread is the E situation. If we delve into the big picture, root causes, morals, cyber wars, etc., then the thread can be easily derailed. As mentioned by @jmcc, another thread should be created for that.

Now that a new thread has been created with a new more broad title, the scope of the thread has expanded. So @oldtimer, have your today.

 

[Evil.dll]

That 6g paper is worth looking at. digital avatars, real xr, and 50 times the peak data rate at one tenth of the latency of 5G. May seem like it is far off, but we could see that in the next 6 or 7 years.

 

[jmcc]

For people or for AI with its quantum mind.

AI is, at the moment, vastly overrated. There have already been some wetware hacking experiments and there was even one such attack (fictional) featured on an episode of "Homeland".

How do we guarantee that AI is going to be a force of good.

That's a Majkthise and Vroomfondel situation best left to perpetual graduate students and others with a lot of time on their hands.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Future Sensors]

The bad news is that the Humanity and our Home Planet are on a path of self destruction (this thread is only a sample of what we can expect to come if we all stay on the same course).

But the good news is that it's not too late for everyone to change their old ways and try to ascend to a higher level of existence and thinking by finding some common grounds over the Universal Principles and Values that are derived through Logic and Compassion (as I have been repeatedly saying all along).

IMO

Sorry, don't know how to respond to this.

 

[DN Playbook]

The average person around the World doesn't really want to hate anyone as the matter of fact most of us as human beings instinctively want to help other human beings that might be in distress or experiencing some kind of a hardship.

People as individuals are basically decent. They love their family, take care of their home, are good neighbors, etc. But as groups they have the potential to commit atrocities. As can be seen in wars, high control groups, extremist groups, etc. They abandon their individual human decency and adopt group mentality.

 

[Cannuck]

Significant Cyber Incidents

https://www.csis.org/programs/strategic-technologies-program/significant-cyber-incidents

Global Cyber Strategies

https://www.csis.org/programs/strat...-and-governance/global-cyber-strategies-index

 

[Cannuck]

Humanity as a whole needs to ascend to a higher level of existence and thinking and enter a new Era that is going to be reflective of the intelligent and peaceful beings that we claim to be.

Otherwise are we going to have to deal with Capitalist AIs or Communist AIs or Christian AIs and Moslem AIs. And Are we going to have extremist AIs and racist AIs in another words are we going to pass all our differences and our bad human characteristics down to AI and if so then what kind of a World are we going to leave for the future generations. .

IMO, future AI will abandon the Laws of Robotics. Humans will continue to develop algorithms, but at some point we won't know the difference. Superintelligent machines will likely develop their own computer language and evolve faster than the collective of humanity. AI will support those systems that sustain it (and it doesn't require nature).

 

[Evil.dll]

We talking HLMI up in here? Sweet. Anyone read Samsung’s white paper on 6th generation tech. Interesting read.

 

[Evil.dll]

An even Better read is Global Trends 2040 published by the ODNI. We live in a dialectic with two sides constantly fighting and endless wars to nowhere. We have a choice on whether we want to play political fantasy football or whether to be that synthesis we want to see in the world. Do you want to be a creature or a creator? This is the catastrophe of free will.

 

[jmcc]

I think that the "alt-right" vs "alt-left" and hacktivism aspects are miniscule parts of the issue. That conflict been pushed as the primary motivation for cyberattacks by the media (many journalists want easy explanations for their audiences without having to research the subject). This oversimplifies the issue. There are many larger aspects such as state level actors engaging in these attacks via their own military or intelligence agencies or via proxies. Then there are commercial, and possibly criminal, operations that do it for profit (ransomware etc).

Hacking (pushing the boundaries and looking for flaws missed by the developers) is a human instinct. Sometimes those instincts may be put to a less than optimal use. It is highly unlikely that cyberattacks will be eliminated.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Future Sensors]

It is highly unlikely that cyberattacks will be eliminated.

I have to agree. And due to Covid, many people have started working from home, usually without adequate and well-thought-out security measures. This gives attackers all kinds of new opportunities to get to the crown jewels of companies via this route. Companies that were already focused on virtual working before Covid (companies without physical offices) can also be very vulnerable in this way.

 

[Future Sensors]

Don't we have the responsibility to make sure that we don't leave the the World in a big mess in the future when it comes to security .

People find IoT gadgets in their homes, drones that film everything and electric cars with cameras so interesting that a society is created in which these fine devices are used to continuously monitor you. Of particular concern is that this information also goes to countries with very few freedoms.

You don't easily stop it, society will naturally roll into it.

 

[Future Sensors]

You're really getting us quiet with the AI thing. Please see what @jmcc said about this as well.

If you want to talk rationally about technical aspects of security, combined with maybe social engineering at max, you're most welcome in your own thread.

You're making this an overly broad topic for people with an intimate understanding of security and working in the field.

My advice. IMO.

 

[oldtimer]

You're really getting us quiet with the AI thing. Please see what @jmcc said about this as well.

If you want to talk rationally about technical aspects of security, combined with maybe social engineering at max, you're most welcome in your own thread.

You're making this an overly broad topic for people with an intimate understanding of security and working in the field.

My advice. IMO.

Okay I won't speak about AI anymore

(I just wait till it can speak for itself. )