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How to make a +1000 domain sale in one deal !

Labeled as Selling in Promotional started by Cyril.Best, Mar 17, 2019.

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  1. Cyril.Best

    Cyril.Best Member .Best Staff Gold Account

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    And ???

    In case you don't know, we just took over the .best in July 2018 and really start to operate it since November.

    All our numbers and trends are fully public. We even communicate on this daily on twitter, linkedin, ... : https://twitter.com/FremontCyril/status/1104272903724519425

    [​IMG]

    On the registry part : Our internal objective is to be between 15k-20k in August (Before the price changing on renewals) and 100K and the end of 2019. We beat our initial objective of 10K that was supposed to happen in July and so we have 4 months in advance on our own internal objective.

    We have now a daily rate of around 100 new registrations / day with just only one best registrar of the month promo to test the market in each region.

    It was OVH in Feb for Western-Europe, it is Dynadot for US market in March, then we go to Eastern-Europe in April, then China in May, Japan in June, and then back in USA for July (just before our renewal price change). Then, all our 80 registrars WW will be in promo on registrations in all different regions to go to 100K minimum FY2019.

    On the brands part : Our internal objective if 1000 protected brands/trademarks FY2019

    On the social network part :our objective is of 1M FY2020 (Public launch Nov 2019). 10M FY2021, ... plus brand monitoring, plus sponsored reviews, ...

    100% transparent !
     
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  2. BabayS

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    @Cyril.Best : "... then we go to Eastern-Europe in April, then China in May, Japan in June, and then back in USA for July (just before our renewal price change). Then, all our 80 registrars WW will be in promo on registrations in all different regions to go to 100K minimum FY2019."
    Is there a schedule in Indonesia, Sir?
    Thank you for letting me know.
    Best Regards
     
  3. Cyril.Best

    Cyril.Best Member .Best Staff Gold Account

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    Nothing specific for Indonesian Registrars before August but for Asia I would say :

    - West CN (China/Hong-Kong) will sell .best in promotion in May
    - GMO (Japan) will sell .best in promotion in June

    Please check with @Adrien.Best that is in charge of our registrars WW. He will let you know which active resellers/registrars we have in indonesia. I know we have Mat bao for Vietnam but not sure if they support indonesia so ask Adrien, he's the one.

    Best,

    CF
     
  4. BabayS

    BabayS Thanks.Best Gold Account

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    Thank You, @Cyril.Best
    Someday, it will be. Hope so
     
  5. NameLlama

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    Great point there. You've really grilled him.
     
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  6. domainventure

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    This thread begets this question:

    Is .Best the .Top OR
    .Top the .Best?

    He/She who cracks this age old conundrum gets to unlock all the Ngtld riches at the 7th level in this multi-player Ngtld Game.
     
  7. bmugford

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    Edited. Not worth the effort.

    Brad
     
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  8. Domains - Wanted

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    We've gone beyond thinly veiled to outright .best sales pitches, IMHO (n)
     
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  9. johnnie018

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    Are you trying to encourage people to register hundreds of .best domains? I guess you only need 1 or 2 suckers for a good amount of revenue.
     
  10. Recons.Com

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    The problem with .best, as is with .vip etc., is that they don't have the major selling point of ngtlds:

    - They don't make sense as the left of the dot combining with right of the dot, as far as correct English goes.

    Compare:

    Best.Homes or VIP.design

    With

    Homes.Best or Design.vip

    And it makes sense to certain extent that Cyril went for .best extension, because he is French and you do put adjectives after the nouns in French, so it does not sound as bad to him as it might to a native English speaker, when he says "Hotel.Best".
     
  11. offthehandle

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    Thanks for the answers, you have quite a string of history, but very little supporting information at least easily visible and published. The IPO’s I didn’t see your name on those or on techcrunch. I didnt check the Nasdaq data yet. I looked at fruit dot com, no screenshots archived deeper than the home page, I assume this was the 1996 site you referred to. Someone briefly squatted on fruitoftheloom then it was 301ed to fruit dot com. I was operating my company also in 1995, and then 1996 with full website, but not of your scale.

    I have been around for years not in this segment, but have seen people similar to yourself who come in charging and making tons of claims, or creating darkness and confusion and tell a big story. These sort of sales people get the attention, but have usually have little depth or substance. This forum has quite a few sharp people on it, some of whom have commented here as well. I haven’t figured out if your credentials and gig is real or not. Nothing wrong with enthusiasm about your approach, but if you make claims you need to support them or at least be prepared before charging in without proof.

    I get your brashness, charging in with your entire presentation and gig, and as long as the forum allows this, keep on promoting. Its not my style,

    Sure, I can turn the channel and ignore your stuff but I think dialog makes some degree of sense. You have still not answered these outlandish $$$ claims, so not sure if you ever will and this thread will die and get buried.

    Maybe you might buy an advertisement since you are quite successful and wealthy, so you can compensate the moderators and owner. If you see what Namesilo does, they buy a banner ad. So do other companies. They all answer questions and problems here, you might use them as an example for the future. I see you avoided my $100 million question you pronounced on CircleID. Coin ICO, if it didn’t work, say so. Just like the 7 figure claim, nothing wrong with admitting you made a mistake.

    Regarding GDRP, I block all EU traffic on my sites and could care less about your countries laws, they are not applicable to my business, no interest in doing any EU business.

    Suicide.dating is registered by premleads - ovh. Any clue as to what sort of business that is? Or is this a joke website?

    Also do you have any comments on modelingram.com?, this looks like to be a business like those on Fiverr buying followers on Facebook, where it pays for influencers, instead of voluntary references.
     
  12. Pierre Barnard

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    you guys keep feeding the monster...
     
  13. Grilled

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    subtly noting 3,000 > 2,735



    Maybe.

    But with all due respect, the delivery seems off putting -- by virtue of misleading click bait titled threads.

    I came here expecting to read about a bulk domain sale.

    Yet, as it appears to be a NP first, this is a report of a registry level bulk sale. Very different than a bulk sale at the domainer level.

    Perhaps what you're looking for is a forum for domain registries. Where you can share techniques with other registries on how to make bulk sales.

    Unless, you think domainers can apply this business model to sub domain / their domains via discounted subdomain / sub directory registrations and make their money on the back end in renewal feels and services?

    For example:

    Domain = Be.st

    Be.st/Grill
    Be.st/Hotels
    Be.st/Lawyers
    Be.st/Domainer
    Be.st/DomainBroker

    Because, short of any other NPer operating a registry, selling subdomains / subdirectories is the only feasible way I see any NPer applying this how-to make a 1,000 domain sale in one deal to their domain own sales strategy.

    begin rant / Not saying domainers don't (or historically haven't) cornered geo categories with aggregated attempts to sell that niche portfolio to a leading brand in that niche. But this is totally different than a registry selling, than a domainer selling, given the underlying renewal fee's the registry rakes in. Unless you suggest we sell our domains at $X, then charge $Y each year after? OR if you're suggesting .Best will sell domains for $X, and will not charge $Y for renewals. If you could make that happen, then surely, the .Best registry could generate some real traction as a forever TLD. / end rant


    No intentions of grilling here.

    State of curiousity at this point.

    But I suspect these .best shenanigans will be similar to the .top sheninigans we here have grown accustomed to. Because just as nothings tops top, nothing bests best.
     
  14. lock

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    The thing about the dot best extension that actually dooms it is the fact best shouldn't be the second word. Nobody finishes with best they start with it.
     
  15. Dave

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    I can only think of one word that fits well before .best. Aside from "the.best" and maybe "simplythe.best" and "youarethe.best", I can't think of anything else even worth paying $1 for in .best.

    It's no wonder you're pushing .best so hard here, hoping to reel in the suckers. A meager amount of registrations would have anyone panicking when you have fees, staff and operating costs to pay.
     
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  16. Ategy.com

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    I think this is the root of the problem most people are having with your threads. Your titles are somewhat misleading .. and then when people go to them and find it's more focused on your interests than on general community interest, that's when members get frustrated.

    If you were more straight forward I don't think people who have as much an issue.

    You also have to realise that with the massive level of people cheating and scamming and lying in the domain industry, that when you make huge claims but then say you'll prove it later or that the info is under NDA, then most are rightfully suspicious. For most of us .. if there is no actual tangible proof, then it simply did not happen. Particularly 7-figure sales claims from members who registered days earlier! ;)

    There most definitely is a way to earn people's trust that would allow you to possibly make such claims with less suspicion and resistance .. eventually .. but the only way to earn people's respect is to earn it over time .. you come register here on March 5th, make all sorts of wondrous claims in the first few days .. ask yourself if you would believe it yourself?

    Your "Innovate or die" thread I felt did you a real disservice to your intent when you added your logos on top of broad industry stats. It probably was never done with intention to misrepresent .. but to me those sorts of tactics are those usually done my sleazy salesman. Making it look like:
    "The.Best Social Media Industry = 3 Billion Users"

    And also while you most certainly are allowed to have your own thoughts and opinions on the industry .. if you look at my first reply in that thread you'll see that for me personally, you really don't have a good grasp of the overall industry .. or at least not according to your initial post. What's tragic is that I'm sure you likely do to some degree but that you got sidetracked and lost in the excitement specific to .best or ngTLD's, without realising that almost everyone thought you were talking about the entire industry (of which only a small fraction is ngTLDs) .. and .. going back to the point .. unfortunately you chose a very factually incorrect and misleading title for the topic implying that the domain industry was in trouble unless it innovates.

    Then in your "7 figures sale" thread prior to that, you start posting a bit all over the place not really saying much tangible as well as the most important fact being another misleading title implying you made the sale (as opposed to currently negotiating a sale ... HUGE difference). If you had been straight forward and truthful from the start (in your title) I'm pretty sure most would not be so sceptic about everything since. With your unrepresentative titles, it really is your own fault that you are now fighting an uphill battle gaining people's trust.

    What's worse is that in your 2nd post in that thread you did follow up with a relatively useful and constructive post. If you had put that content in the first post and just titled it "How a Registry Works Towards Making a 7 Figure Sale" you'd still have a little mystery clickbaitish title gathering attention, but you wouldn't be confronted with scepticism right from the start ... PARTICULARLY if you actually included useful ON TOPIC information like you started to in your 2nd post.

    Now the big problem you are facing is that everything you say or claim is seen as hugely sceptical. What's worse is that because of your other inaccurate posting always focused on .best, you're being seen as someone who will say anything just to get attention. Even worse in that because few people believe you, all your topics are taken off course because people (rightfully) are starting to demand proof for your rather large claims.

    So now each similar thread you start is just even more annoying and frustrating to read through because a lot of it is other members demanding proof .. which while certainly appropriate and not off-topic .. still kills the actual original context of the intended topic.

    Further claiming that proof is coming soon effectively means that you are knowingly posting without proof. PERIOD. Again .. maybe if you were a trusted member of the community there would be a little more wiggle room .. but the problem you have now is that not only do you not have trust from most members .. but you actually have negative trust in that you seem to be wanting to post anything at random without proof just for the sake to turning the focus to .best.

    I'm sure your intentions are genuine and that most of what you claim likely is true .. but there is a more appropriate and more tactful way of doing things when you join a community. When all you do is start topics focused on yourself .. and even worse, using misleading titles to what could have been good discussions .. then you come off as someone who is more concerned with themselves rather than the benefit of the entire community.
    (BTW .. Topics like this one are great in my opinion)

    It really isn't wrong to promote yourself or your business to some degree .. but you should always be honest and straight forward about it .. and more importantly .. your involvement in the community needs to go both ways and not always go back to .best.

    You are obviously free to do what you want .. but at this point I highly suggest you take a break from .best focused discussions ... maybe even take a short break completely from NP to let everything cool down .. then come back and share some of your sales wisdom in EXISTING threads from domainers looking for help. Do so without mentioning .best ... then after a while every now and then talk about your experiences with .best IF APPROPRIATE AND IN CONTEXT.

    You're involved in an important part of the domain business and you seem to have some solid sales experience .. both facts that could make you a great part and helpful member of the domain community. It would be really tragic if things went further downhill to the point where any topic you're involved in were constantly muddied with people challenging your claims and questioning if your intentions were genuine.


    All that said .. I think some might initially have been a little hard on you .. but then you continued with the clickbait, misleading, not entirely accurate titles and threads always turning things back to .best. I don't think it's impossible for you to eventually gain people's trust and grow a positive reputation in the community .. you seem like a smart intelligent guy who maybe just got a little caught up in the excitement of a big personal project .. I think most of us can actually relate to that. But most importantly you have to stop for a second, take a step back and realise that people's scepticism is very much justified given how and what you have (and haven't) posted so far.


    What's worse is that it could be really cool for the community to get an inside view on a relaunched registry. I agree with most that the linguistics of .best is a little awkward and backwards .. but I also think it's not something that could be overlooked/overcome and made to work in some circumstances .. I'm not huge on ngTLD's, but .best is far from being the worst one out there. At some point ngTLD's will have the critical mass awareness of the general population for decent ngTLD's to have some relative success. I also think that what you're trying to do with the.best social network is an interesting experiment (I actually preregistered .. lol). It's unconventional things like that which the ngTLD program should have been focused on. But I think at this point with everything that has happened, right now you're just yelling into the wind .. might be best to take a step back and come back with a different approach that would be beneficial to everyone (even including your own with .best in a more appropriate manner).


    .Best of luck in whatever you choose to do ...
     
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    What is the point except promoting .best.

    Ok, this industry needs promotion. Best of luck.

    .best sounds a lot like .top in meaning imo.

    If Google gives credit for it when best .. is seached than it can do very well.
     
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    I think .best would be great for all kinds of casinos, bookies, lottos, poker rooms, boobs etc. stuff. I'm telling this with no any negative attitude towards these businesses.
     
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    I agree that the word "the" fits best before .best but there is a word that fits even better than best and this word is the word "than"...
     
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    Hey Cyril,

    After reading this thread and the other one (the multi million dollar deal), do you mind if I call all this BS?

    You talk about SEO and type in traffic but you clearly have no clue how this works.

    .Best as a gTLD is useless imo, no matter what keyword you put on the left side of the dot it still doesn't make sense. People just don't search for "hotel best" or "cars best".

    You're here just to pump and promote this .best crap hoping to get a few newbies on board. Go play somewhere else, most people on this forum are generally knowledgeable and can't be fooled.
     
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    Yes, both terms are related in their meaning - but the decisive point is that best finally still means just best but not top because only top means top and this fact will never changeee
     
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    Thanks for the in depth coverage of the history of posts here, its good that you took the time that I didn’t and summed it up and documented it in this thread.

    Exactly, then if you look deeper off of this forum and see this isn’t the only “interesting” project, well easy for anyone to draw their own conclusions.
     
  24. Internet.Domains

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    How much did you sell them for?

    Who was the buyer?

    Can you give examples of the domains sold?

    Inbound or outbound?
     
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    http://www.circleid.com/posts/20180719_french_acquire_dot_best_new_gtld_interview_with_new_owner/


    Your CircleID interview was published July 19th, 2018 and the end of time period above, after the ICO where you state you made $100 million in presales of BestCoin. This isn’t a small dollar amount and number of sales, that isn’t just a number hidden in a NDA. This would be public non NDA French Tax information published wouldn’t it? You either made an incorrect claim there on CircleID, or the author misquoted you, or this was a sales projection, or?

    GDPR applies to non disclosure of personal information of consumers and if you represent a company, I don’t believe it covers non disclosure of a $100 million dollar transaction.
     

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