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Ya know, I have listened to the spew on hype cycle many times the last 10 years just for this niche.
Every time the chart looks different.

The simple fact is that until there are plenty of HMD's in the field, this is not going to grow for names.

With that in mind, we have seen the beginning of exponential growth, that still needs to be tracked, but it looks like it is there. But as far as names sales for next year, I am sure there will be plenty and most of them will be investor speculation, but the valuations will be much higher.

It's 2024 and beyond that I see the real end user market for the names. I am not saying none in 23.
There are still to many unknowns in this market to be super confident about many segments that we are all likely holding at least some of. Segments will not all happen at once.

But it should not matter to you who is buying it if they meet your price expectations.
You can never look back and wonder if you left money on the table. Worry about the next sale.
But this does not just go BOOM ! It's a evolving process. And it's evolving before your eyes.

So lets all hope there is enough money to go around for these highly capable next gen devices and puts some hype back into the industry. That is the cycle that counts. The industry needs content creators and they need names.
 
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Ya know, I have listened to the spew on hype cycle many times the last 10 years just for this niche.
Every time the chart looks different.

The simple fact is that until there are plenty of HMD's in the field, this is not going to grow for names.

With that in mind, we have seen the beginning of exponential growth, that still needs to be tracked, but it looks like it is there. But as far as names sales for next year, I am sure there will be plenty and most of them will be investor speculation, but the valuations will be much higher.

It's 2024 and beyond that I see the real end user market for the names. I am not saying none in 23.
There are still to many unknowns in this market to be super confident about many segments that we are all likely holding at least some of. Segments will not all happen at once.

But it should not matter to you who is buying it if they meet your price expectations.
You can never look back and wonder if you left money on the table. Worry about the next sale.
But this does not just go BOOM ! It's a evolving process. And it's evolving before your eyes.

So lets all hope there is enough money to go around for these highly capable next gen devices and puts some hype back into the industry. That is the cycle that counts. The industry needs content creators and they need names.

Amen to that!
 
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Ya know, I have listened to the spew on hype cycle many times the last 10 years just for this niche.
Every time the chart looks different.

The simple fact is that until there are plenty of HMD's in the field, this is not going to grow for names.

With that in mind, we have seen the beginning of exponential growth, that still needs to be tracked, but it looks like it is there. But as far as names sales for next year, I am sure there will be plenty and most of them will be investor speculation, but the valuations will be much higher.

It's 2024 and beyond that I see the real end user market for the names. I am not saying none in 23.
There are still to many unknowns in this market to be super confident about many segments that we are all likely holding at least some of. Segments will not all happen at once.

But it should not matter to you who is buying it if they meet your price expectations.
You can never look back and wonder if you left money on the table. Worry about the next sale.
But this does not just go BOOM ! It's a evolving process. And it's evolving before your eyes.

So lets all hope there is enough money to go around for these highly capable next gen devices and puts some hype back into the industry. That is the cycle that counts. The industry needs content creators and they need names.
Maybe James just said to sell in 2023 so he can buy them lol good post @VRdommy and I agree completely!
 
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Ya know, I have listened to the spew on hype cycle many times the last 10 years just for this niche.
Every time the chart looks different.

The simple fact is that until there are plenty of HMD's in the field, this is not going to grow for names.

With that in mind, we have seen the beginning of exponential growth, that still needs to be tracked, but it looks like it is there. But as far as names sales for next year, I am sure there will be plenty and most of them will be investor speculation, but the valuations will be much higher.
Well, I think the VR headset market has actually shrunk this year, although I'm sure this is just a small hump in the road, and we will be back on for exponential growth next year. Meta, which obviously still dominates, had their VR revenue drop by 50% in Q3. As you know, I sell 'VR entertainment', and my sales are a little down on the same period as last year, although my market share has increased.
This isn't a big surprise. Meta raising the price of the Quest 2 by $100, all the bad publicity over Zuckeberg's metaverse, no major new headset released since the Quest 2 which is now over 2 years old, other than the PIco 4 which has not sold well so far, and potential new VR headset buyers waiting for Black Friday and the Holiday period, or for the release of the PSVR 2 (or even the Quest 3). Not to mention the economy.

https://uploadvr.com/pico-4-sales-disappointing/

This article I read yesterday contains a very realistic research report into VR/AR headset sales : https://www.engineering.com/story/arvr-is-looking-up-after-a-tough-2022

Finally, a new Quallcom Snapdragon chip specifically for AR glasses was announced yesterday. Niantic released a video showing the possibilities, and it reminded me how much bigger AR is going to be than VR pretty soon.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/17...r2-gen-1-processor-platform-snapdragon-spaces
 
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Interesting to see it trending on Twitter:
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VRdommy

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inally, a new Quallcom Snapdragon chip specifically for AR glasses was announced yesterday. Niantic released a video showing the possibilities, and it reminded me how much bigger AR is going to be than VR pretty soon.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/17...r2-gen-1-processor-platform-snapdragon-spaces
Well, meta has a new HMD TBA and maybe 2 and I thought I had posted that info but perhaps not.
I was going to mention that with the current latest cpu/gpu, it did not look like it was a milestone from previous.
And meta has this setup for spring 2023 I think. So it could very well be that chip.

Timing is right to keep in the game with Apple. Terrible if you look like you are lagging to your investors.

But I know it goes like this... nobody gets those chips for release before a certain date. They can have them before the date but not for public release. Sometimes I think they want some kinda bonus to get that... LOL
But Qualcomm normally releases their chips in the spring.

From what I have seen of Apples latest CPU/GPU, nothin is going to touch it for a while.
Question is, is that or some new hybrid of it going into that HMD?

Hey, we only got maybe 5 months to find out !
 
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VRdommy

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Well, meta has a new HMD TBA and maybe 2 and I thought I had posted that info but perhaps not.
I was going to mention that with the current latest cpu/gpu, it did not look like it was a milestone from previous.
And meta has this setup for spring 2023 I think. So it could very well be that chip.

Timing is right to keep in the game with Apple. Terrible if you look like you are lagging to your investors.

But I know it goes like this... nobody gets those chips for release before a certain date. They can have them before the date but not for public release. Sometimes I think they want some kinda bonus to get that... LOL
But Qualcomm normally releases their chips in the spring.

From what I have seen of Apples latest CPU/GPU, nothin is going to touch it for a while.
Question is, is that or some new hybrid of it going into that HMD?

Hey, we only got maybe 5 months to find out !
I should have mentioned if nobody knew that meta stand-alones use Qualcomm snapdragons only so far.
Quest & 2, so likely will be in a quest 3.
 
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What I take from this...
VR fitness will be a 'thing', just not out the gate. But glad to see FTC stopping the monopoly. Good for us.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-ve-built-a-vr-fitness-app-instead-of-buying

Here is a interesting forecast in the niche
But some other stats in there as well.

https://mobidictum.biz/omdia-releases-forecast-report-on-vr-headset-and-content-revenue/
Fitness apps have already proven to be the surprise success of VR. Apple are also apparently going to make fitness and health apps a key part of their VR/AR strategy.
I lost over 10KG in a year largely due to 'Thrill of the Fight', which is a highly realistic VR boxing simulation. 'Beat Saber' is one of the most bought and used apps in the Quest store.
I once had PersonalTrainerVR in king, and when I posted it here, a regular said it was worth nothing. I let it drop, but damn, I think it will be worth something soon.
 
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Fitness apps have already proven to be the surprise success of VR. Apple are also apparently going to make fitness and health apps a key part of their VR/AR strategy.
I lost over 10KG in a year largely due to 'Thrill of the Fight', which is a highly realistic VR boxing simulation. 'Beat Saber' is one of the most bought and used apps in the Quest store.
I once had PersonalTrainerVR in king, and when I posted it here, a regular said it was worth nothing. I let it drop, but damn, I think it will be worth something soon.
I had invested lightly in that sub-niche. Like many sub-niches in a light way with semi-strong band-able names.
VRFitnessRoom(s) holodeckgym fitnessholodeck Holodeck.fitness
So, yea, I keep my eyes on events for that segment.

So, I am always looking for news that might effect what I see in how this plays out.
Today, some news that could yet again change the landscape negatively.

I don't know if foxconn is making Apple's new HMD in China or not as they have invested in India and plans for some things in the US. So I guess we will have to keep a eye on it. But you can see the implications.
While this particular event was news to me, apparently this has been going on for nearly a month as I know it has gone on in other Chinese facilities all year.
 
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Fitness apps have already proven to be the surprise success of VR. Apple are also apparently going to make fitness and health apps a key part of their VR/AR strategy.
I lost over 10KG in a year largely due to 'Thrill of the Fight', which is a highly realistic VR boxing simulation. 'Beat Saber' is one of the most bought and used apps in the Quest store.
I once had PersonalTrainerVR in king, and when I posted it here, a regular said it was worth nothing. I let it drop, but damn, I think it will be worth something soon.
I dropped a name and got an enquiry to purchase it someone got my email from a search of the past owners looked and thought shit that is a good name messaged elad and showed him the name he looked it up and sent me a pic to show i owned it years ago lol i completely forgot 😂😂😂😂

Waiting for all what were you thinking but hey these things happen i never worry about dropped names just part of the process

CasinoMeta dawt com
 
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A little plus going forward a bit....

As some of you may have recently seen the release of the sequel to AVATAR
and it is shown in 3D (where available)
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/media/avatar-sequel-reliable-sources/index.html

As they were making this for many years, I seen a few takes on some of the 'how they did it's'
and paid particular interest to it being all filmed in true stereoscopic/3D And that has to be a complicated process with all the CGI mix.

The timing is right for this to be a great flick to be seen in VR in the coming year or two ?
And I think changing the landscape for the future of our niche for media presentation anyway.

For in VR, you have true stereoscopic and what you experience in a theater is a bit of a imitation.
So, here is a case where the VR/3D version should be much better. And that is why I think it's going to change the landscape when it eventually happens.

Patiently waiting to see as it may even bring some attention to the 3D keyword yet. Which, while I still hold quite a few as I have for well over 10 years, I have also sold a good many over that time. But never had high hopes for most of them. Enough to warrant holding them though.
I might add that if this does not trigger what I have been waiting for in 3D, it never will !
Could be up to 3 years to see it though. Hoping for under 1.5 .
Just have to wait and see what folks like netflix ans amazon do with it when it comes time.
They did have a segment for 3D. Not sure it still exists. 3D first, full VR later.
 
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xr reality

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A little plus going forward a bit....

As some of you may have recently seen the release of the sequel to AVATAR
and it is shown in 3D (where available)
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/media/avatar-sequel-reliable-sources/index.html

As they were making this for many years, I seen a few takes on some of the 'how they did it's'
and paid particular interest to it being all filmed in true stereoscopic/3D And that has to be a complicated process with all the CGI mix.

The timing is right for this to be a great flick to be seen in VR in the coming year or two ?
And I think changing the landscape for the future of our niche for media presentation anyway.

For in VR, you have true stereoscopic and what you experience in a theater is a bit of a imitation.
So, here is a case where the VR/3D version should be much better. And that is why I think it's going to change the landscape when it eventually happens.

Patiently waiting to see as it may even bring some attention to the 3D keyword yet. Which, while I still hold quite a few as I have for well over 10 years, I have also sold a good many over that time. But never had high hopes for most of them. Enough to warrant holding them though.
I might add that if this does not trigger what I have been waiting for in 3D, it never will !
Could be up to 3 years to see it though. Hoping for under 1.5 .
Just have to wait and see what folks like netflix ans amazon do with it when it comes time.
They did have a segment for 3D. Not sure it still exists. 3D first, full VR later.
I am getting multiple offers on AiAvatars.com
 
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VRdommy

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I am getting multiple offers on AiAvatars.com
One would think that there is more than the movie at play here...
A quick search shows AI Virtual Avatars. And this...
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-platform-for-creating-ai-avatars
A quick read also shows they came up with their own version of METEVERSE and TM'd it.. OMNIVERSE
Interesting anyway.
Whenever I see multiple offers on a name, the first thing I do is a search to see what may have triggered it.
As you know, somethings laying around for a while can quickly change.
Sounds like good enough news to rethink your floor pricing anyway. And wait.

BTW...
If there is a 3rd avatar movie, it surely will be 100%VR
 
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VRdommy

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Ran into this today...
https://mixed-news.com/en/why-meta-quest-2-could-be-a-problem-for-playstation-vr-2/

It would be my opinion as I stated much earlier in this thread that created a argument on the topic, that 'Sony should give-up on the console' and use a device much like the quest or similar standalone that is tethered to the internet and a app platform much like apple has.
Perhaps it will be a slow transition. After all, this is only just starting to take root and Playstation has quite a following.
In any case of method, competition is a good thing for names.
 
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One would think that there is more than the movie at play here...
A quick search shows AI Virtual Avatars. And this...
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-platform-for-creating-ai-avatars
A quick read also shows they came up with their own version of METEVERSE and TM'd it.. OMNIVERSE
Interesting anyway.
Whenever I see multiple offers on a name, the first thing I do is a search to see what may have triggered it.
As you know, somethings laying around for a while can quickly change.
Sounds like good enough news to rethink your floor pricing anyway. And wait.

BTW...
If there is a 3rd avatar movie, it surely will be 100%VR
I think they filmed the 2nd and 3rd movies together, at least that was the plan a few years ago. I remember reading that James Cameron isn't a fan of VR. But I agree with what you said earlier about watching 3D stereo movies in VR. If Avatar 2 is a big hit it could boost VR headset sales just for people wanting to watch 3D movies in. I can't see the TV makers or the public clamouring for 3D TVs again after the last hype, but they might buy a Quest 2 to watch Avatar at home.
 
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I think they filmed the 2nd and 3rd movies together, at least that was the plan a few years ago. I remember reading that James Cameron isn't a fan of VR. But I agree with what you said earlier about watching 3D stereo movies in VR. If Avatar 2 is a big hit it could boost VR headset sales just for people wanting to watch 3D movies in. I can't see the TV makers or the public clamouring for 3D TVs again after the last hype, but they might buy a Quest 2 to watch Avatar at home.
I could not resist a comment here...
But I agree that I doubt 3D TV is on any kind of comeback, but you never know if it gets to be a thing. They can do it much cheaper now.

3DTV would have been a hit if it were not the fact of Cable Co's who spent a lot of money converting over to HDTV and then digital TV and found themselves out of money and time for any more.... they were slow to react to all of that and for many years were sending HDTV signals over analog pipe. It was terrible.
And...
They own all the movie houses now, so guess who had the most say in it.
They owned the content and the most popular delivery.
I'm sure this was a bit different for you folks in the EU. But most of it starts over here in the US and Japan.

But back to sounding like a broken record.... merger and acquisition is at fault. No competition.

I have always felt this will evolve and in VR. And looking at it, there is plenty of 3D content already out there.
Much easier to do/make than even 180VR monoscopic
(just waiting for the cable co's to try to muscle in on 3dvr streaming)

...And so while writing this, what popped in my news box...

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...ude-a-3d-video-service-and-its-own-metaverse/

Apple 3D Video service and it's own version of Metaverse.
Here we go again on what they will call it. As a TM, it will not matter I guess.
 
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I see these abbreviations are used all over the place but it's hard to predict which one (if any) will take off in terms of domain sales.

Which one(s) do you guys prefer out of VR/AR/MR/XR? Could the long-form of any of these do well? Any of them that you think won't take off?
 
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I have made more than 30k from XR names to date, hardly on AR so far and I have less VR names so not sure whats going on there.
Besides that i decline other offers for some other XR names.

Cant say anything about the future though.
 
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xr reality

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I see these abbreviations are used all over the place but it's hard to predict which one (if any) will take off in terms of domain sales.

Which one(s) do you guys prefer out of VR/AR/MR/XR? Could the long-form of any of these do well? Any of them that you think won't take off?
I still like ar i sold ArPorno dot com under NDA but for me Xr i have had many offers on Xr but i hodl tight till right time but hey i could be 100% wrong too and one day have to let them all drop you just never know 100%
 
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I still like ar i sold ArPorno dot com under NDA but for me Xr i have had many offers on Xr but i hodl tight till right time but hey i could be 100% wrong too and one day have to let them all drop you just never know 100%
XR is dead, you can move them to me.
 
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VRdommy

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My current position on XR is just a hold. I have but a few.
I don't see the term moving till true AR glasses hit the market and that may be a 4-8 year wait. At least for something desirable.

It is quite 'possible' that MR version of AR just becomes so much better and cheaper to produce that development slows to a crawl for true AR glasses hardware.
But MR development will lead the way to true AR. It's just to pricey to do with a wide field of view and to keep it all in sync and over varying light conditions.
 
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My current position on XR is just a hold. I have but a few.
I don't see the term moving till true AR glasses hit the market and that may be a 4-8 year wait. At least for something desirable.

It is quite 'possible' that MR version of AR just becomes so much better and cheaper to produce that development slows to a crawl for true AR glasses hardware.
But MR development will lead the way to true AR. It's just to pricey to do with a wide field of view and to keep it all in sync and over varying light conditions.
U should look at all the companies out there branding with XR.
 
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