discuss Has Anyone Had HugeDomains Purchase their BrandBucket Names?

[The Rover]

This actually happened to a domain that I had listed on BB for a fair price. I say "fair" because I would have actually liked to have listed it for higher, but obviously BB puts a limit on the price for any particular domain. For obvious reasons, I won't disclose the domain, however, I'm curious if anyone has recently had any of their BrandBucket domains purchased by HugeDomains? When this happened to me, immediately after they purchased the domain, it was then listed on their Hugedomains marketplace for literally 3X the price than what was allowed to be listed on BrandBucket.

Things are really beginning to look increasingly wicked in this industry as of late. If others have experienced this, it would make me wonder how often they deploy this type of strategy. After reading this thread, it certainly appears that we need more transparency regarding TurnCommerce. With the (alleged) business practices of bidding up their own listings at DropCatch using foreign bots or whatever else, if proven true, would really explain how they would be able to pay higher prices for other domains, in addition to bidding up auctions on both GoDaddy and paying "premium" prices on BB.

We should be greatly concerned that literally 50-60% of the active, expired GoDaddy inventory is being snatched up (and artificially bid up) by TurnCommerce. With those type of numbers, this ain't capitalism at this point, folks. It would simply be a rotten monopoly at best (and at worst) potentially violating antitrust laws if any of the other alleged business practices are ever found to be true.

Thoughts?

 

[The Rover]

As others has mentioned there are other threads discussing domainers grave concerns of their dominance. Have you read all 930 posts from: https://www.namepros.com/threads/hu...50-of-expiring-domains-at-godaddy-com.988898/ It really is a great thread. A lot of effort has been put into that thread by @Arca and others for quite some time.

Again, that's why I originally included my own thoughts about those concerns in this thread as it pertained to what I thought (at the time) was a new strategy possibly being developed by TurnCommerce. Even though now it looks like TC isn't acquiring BB domains directly, if there is indeed a genuine problem regarding their market share or acquisition rate, I don't think it does anyone any good to keep it wrapped up into one thread where others may never see it. If we're being open an honest here, if it's a problem that needs to be addressed, then the more eyes the better.

I don't think it's about gloating. It's about moving on with the facts. I'm oddly alarmed how little importance you seem to place on fact checking. But I guess that's an issue most Americans struggle with, seeing how we ended up with a president who is fact checkingly challenged.

Sorry, but I really need to call you out on this one. Not only is your response a gloating statement, I would imagine that it's actually a very offensive one to a lot of Americans. Feel free to elaborate on how it's productive to the topic at hand to inject a completely unnecessary and divisive comment like that. No, I'm not supporter of Trump by any means, but there are likely many here on NP who are. In one breath you speak about being efficient, not wasting time and getting quickly to the facts, and then a second later you're casting broad stereotypes across the people of an entire country. So tell me, are we truly trying to keep things efficient and professional here or are we not?

 

[The Rover]

totally agree

the myth that hd is buying up 50% of expiring names there, doesn't mean all or even half of them are high quality.
it's an assumption, until the list is published, an assumption because of who there are seen as.



imo….

Nope. Go look at the other threads that actually do publicize detailed analysis on that very subject. Afterall, that's what I have been told to do, anytime I bring up the subject.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Again, that's why I originally included my own thoughts about those concerns in this thread as it pertained to what I thought (at the time) was a new strategy possibly being developed by TurnCommerce. Even though now it looks like TC isn't acquiring BB domains directly, if there is indeed a genuine problem regarding their market share or acquisition rate, I don't think it does anyone any good to keep it wrapped up into one thread where others may never see it. If we're being open an honest here, if it's a problem that needs to be addressed, then the more eyes the better.

I know you are aware of the thread. You've posted in it twice. My question was if you had read all 930 posts? Because it seems this issue has charged you. Yet, I'm concerned you don't have a full scope of the situation, especially if you haven't been reading that thread since day one and/or have yet to get caught up on all 930 posts.

Now we find ourselves in a situation where you created a new thread under the guise of a false premise, refused to show ANY evidence to support your claim, all to discuss what may have already been discussed at length already?

So tell me, are we truly trying to keep things efficient and professional here or are we not?

I was trying to. But your responses indicate otherwise.

Nobody really wins an internet debate. It's all a waste of time and energy.

Anyways... back to being on topic. Regarding the domain that you thought you sold to HugeDomains, but apparently HugeDomains acquired it at expired auction...

It would be interesting to know if OP received the renewal notice emails.

 

[The Rover]

I was trying to. But your responses are leading me to consider otherwise.

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Everyone can see that your stereotype comment was made right after my last apology comment. Don't try and pin this on me. It was offensive, completely unnecessary and divisive. So, I'm afraid that's 100% on you. However, I'll give you props on your quick attempt at deflecting it. To answer your other question regarding the acquisitions, not only have I read pages and pages, but have also been engaged in conversations with others in this industry, outside of NP.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

In one breath you speak about being efficient, not wasting time and getting quickly to the facts, and then a second later you're casting broad stereotypes across the people of an entire country.

This was more of a comedic punchline to my earlier joke, that some may feel was made in poor taste.

In an attempt to lighten the mood, seeing how you were wasting everybody's time by depriving us the ability by withholding the necessary facts to verify your claim and to come to the viewpoint you had reached, I made this joke in jest...

Look, you don't have to share the details. Just as President Trump isn't obligated to share his tax returns, but if you or him, would like to gain the support of the people, you're going to have to try and be as transparent as possible.

And now, seeing how it turns out you didn't fact check, and your claim turned out to be false, yeah, I saw a punch line joke. President Trump knows himself it's not all about the facts. Take that for what it is. Good or bad. He just wants a discussion. Headlines and One-Liners start debates/conversations. You know those click baity threads?

...But I guess that's an issue most Americans struggle with, seeing how we ended up with a president who is fact checkingly challenged.

Please though, continue spinning what some may feel was a poorly tasted political joke, to deflect from the situation at hand.

Title: Has anyone had HugeDomains purchase their brandbucket names?
First Sentence: "This actually happened to a domain that I had listed on BB for a fair price."

^^ Headlines + No Fact Checking = This thread.

 

[The Rover]

This was more of a comedic punchline to my earlier joke, that was some may feel was made in poor taste.

In an attempt to lighten the mood, seeing how you were wasting everybody's time by depriving us the ability to verify your claim to come to the viewpoint you had reached, I made this joke in jest...

And now, seeing how it turns out you didn't fact check, and your claim turns out to be false, yeah, I saw a punch line joke. President Trump knows himself it's not all about the facts. He just wants a discussion. Headliners start debates and conversations. I get it...

Let's see if we can recap here:

1.) I offer a genuine apology for my honest mistake.
2.) You immediately use that opportunity to take a big dump on Americans and allude to their ignorance.
3.) You then get completely called out on it and quickly try to deflect and "justify" your hateful comment by saying that it's my fault because I was the one that "wasted" everyone's time.

I think that about sums up it rather nicely. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just actually glad everyone gets to see how you really feel, so that I know what I'm actually dealing with here.

There really is nothing further to discuss at this point. I have already repeatedly told you that we seem to have a "huge" disagreement with TurnCommerce's acquisitions. It should have ended with the apology, yet here you are, wanting to continue this "debate" ever since I called you out on your "punchline". And yet I'm the one who's deflecting? Yeah, I don't think so.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess that this would happen after I realized I was wrong about the BB domain, which is why I stated in my apology that I feel that it would be a mistake for people to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" when it comes to the multiple concerns that I posted. Truth be told, I was actually feeling rather good after I apologized, as I thought this thread was starting to turn around. Unfortunately, as predicted, you and a few others are now passive aggressively attempting to use a rather trite tactic of dismissing everything I stated on the basis that I was wrong about one element of my opening post. It's transparent and freaking exhausting at this point.

So, don't get it twisted. There's no "spinning" coming from this end. The only continued spinning I see at this point, is from you and a few others here who are absolutely focused on defending TurnCommerce when it comes to their acquisitions. I (and many others who shall likely remain silent) disagree with the premise that TurnCommerce's volume of acquisitions are harmless in the long term, and I will continue to stand by that position. The fact that there are actually comments on this thread that even suggest that TurnCommerce does not acquire an alarming volume of GoDaddy auctions (and no, they're not all crap domains) is utterly asinine at this point.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

1.) I offer a genuine apology for my honest mistake.

Don't kid yourself. Failing to fact check, or provide facts for others to verify, is not honest. Especially when you continually insist on your facts being factual, and we have to take it at that. Nobody is mad at your mistake. It seemed to be your lack of transparency that bordered somewhere between delusion and dishonesty that rubbed some folks the wrong way.

Person 1: "I have the greatest scientific breakthrough known to man"

Person 2: "That's awesome. Let me verify it."

Person 1: "No. Just trust me. Now that I've discovered it, let's talk about how it can change the world."

Person 2: *sneaks into person one's office, and fact checks.*.... "Ummm Person 1, with respect, your theory is false."

Person 1: "Wow thanks. Glad we didn't try to save the world with that theory. The world would have laughed at us. Let's try again tomorrow because this is a real issue. I respect how you let me know, rather than let me continue on with my foot in my mouth. Can I count on your help tomorrow?

Person 2: "Sure you can, because that's what NPers do. Just don't keep us in the dark next time. No reason to waste others time when they're only trying to help."

And yet I'm the one who's deflecting?

It would be interesting to know if OP received the renewal notice emails.

regarding

OP said the domain sold 10/23/2018. It expired 01/31/2019. And the NameServers changed to HugeDomains on 03/25/2019. The domain expired roughly 100 days after the sales date. And it's unknown if the new owner received renewal notices.

From a consumer standpoint, it would be pretty upsetting to spend $2,000 on a domain, and unknowingly find out roughly 150 days after purchasing it, that it had expired, is no longer in your account, and is being offered for sale for $6,000.

I also wonder if there was any wording, or notice to the buyer from BB that he/she will need to renew the domain soon. Just saying, for non domain specialists who hand reg, they may be accustomed to one year registration times, and renewal emails.

 

[The Rover]

Don't kid yourself. Failing to fact check, or provide facts for others to verify, is not honest. Especially when you continually insist on your facts being factual, and we have to take it at that. Nobody is mad at your mistake. It was your lack of transparency that bordered somewhere between what seemed delusion and dishonesty.

No, I offered a genuine apology because it was an honest mistake, not a dishonest mistake. By your own admission, you accepted my mistake as being "seemingly honest". Yet now (imagine my shock) you're back peddling, attempting to accuse me of being somewhere between delusional or dishonest.

Funny how you suddenly change your position right after being called out for your anti-american comments. That's precisely what happens when you're overconfident; there's this strange tendency to let your true nature slip out. However, I'm glad that happened, because it shed a little light on the nature of the person that I'm attempting to exchange with. You seem obsessed with labeling people. You're intentionally conflating my OP title as "fake news", despite my genuine intentions and concerns. You also literally suggested that I (and most Americans) are too dim to fact check correctly and discern the difference between real news and fake news.

So, since you are still attempting to deflect and spin everything that I have tried to post after my apology, I will be as clear as I can, one last time:

1.) The BrandBucket question has been resolved. We now know that HD isn't really acquiring BB domains like I genuinely thought they had. However, that was clearly only half of my concerns as anyone can read in the OP. Again, I was pleased after your detective work discovered that HD didn't actually acquire my domain directly from BB. Having been in this industry for nearly 12 years, I am very disappointed in myself that I didn't check deeper before creating the post. I could have easily done that, and I failed to do so. However, I have already repeatedly stated that the reason I didn't feel that it was necessary to dig deeper, was because I distinctly remember seeing the domain listed rather quickly on HD's inventory. After learning that this was a clear mistake, I apologized and attempted to move on. However, you, as predicted, are absolutely determined to use my original mistake as a means to slowly and very passively dismiss my other legitimate concerns around HD's acquisitions. You might have some fellow NP's here that agree with your position, however, I don't think many others here are as stupid as you insinuated in one of your previous posts. Many serious domainers don't even bother posting these days; they lurk..and why should they post after seeing this utter dumpster fire?

2.) HD is acquiring an alarming % of GD expired domains, ranging in all types of quality. There's really no refuting this fact. This isn't "fake news" as you apparently love to spout with a dozen hashtags. If anything, it's old news, yet increasingly alarming, nonetheless. When I continually see at least 50% of the domain auctions that I personally engage in, routinely won by HD, yeah, I get a little concerned. Not just for the current state of industry, but also for the future. I am by far, not the first nor the last that finds this troubling. You and a few others here have clearly stated your positions on this issue. You can try to dismiss, excuse, distract and "fluff" HD's acquisition strategy as much as you like. You can attempt to suggest that you're much more knowledgeable on this subject and are privy to the "facts" surrounding HD's acquisition strategy, until you're blue in the face. However, I and many others will likely hold steadfast in our position. Again, it would likely be a mistake to assume that I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, simply due to my original mistake.

P.S. It might not be a bad idea to offer an apology to those on NP who happen to be American.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

By your own admission, you accepted my mistake as being "seemingly honest".

However...

If the name would have been provided up front, it would have saved a lot of other peoples time. And the claim would have been quickly debunked by an extra set of eyes. That one action, or inaction, caused a trickle down effect to unnecessarily waste a lot of peoples time and/or energy. An issue all too common on nP.

Funny how you suddenly change your position right after being called out for your anti-american comments.

Anti-American comments? How delusional are you?!

As previously stated, it was a political joke. And there wouldn't be as much of an issue with fake news if more Americans fact checked.

That's precisely what happens when you're overconfident; there's this strange tendency to let your true nature slip out. However, I'm glad that happened, because it shed a little light on the nature of the person that I'm attempting to exchange with.

Not so much. More so what happens when I feel disrespected. I tried to be helpful and polite, but you've been rude throughout to anybody questioning the validity of the events.

You also literally suggested that I (and most Americans) are too dim to fact check correctly and discern the difference between real news and fake news.

True or False: HugeDomains bought your domain directly from BrandBucket?

However, I and many others will likely hold steadfast in our position.

I support that position.

P.S. It might not be a bad idea to offer an apology to those on NP who happen to be American.

Sure thing.

Dear NPer's,

I'm sorry some pretentious domainer failed to perform due diligence before trying to add fuel to a real crisis with false premises that HugeDomains bought his domain for X,XXX and immediately listed it for sale for only 3X on HD; an obvious contradiction to their known business and a would be anomaly to their known acquisition model. This type of reporting, or lack there of, gives a bad reputation for americans as fact checkers.

What can I say though, US military veterans generally have a better attention to detail than civilians. Which branch stereotypically has a better attention to detail is debatable amongst service members. I will continue to perform my duties as a proud NP member, and provide assistance whenever and wherever it's needed. Whether that means combating fake news, fact checking the willing, or aiding victims of stolen domains. I am here willing, and ready to assist.

Yours truly.

Nobody really wins an internet debate. It's all a waste of time and energy.

 

[The Rover]

Anti-American comments? How delusional are you?!...

You can try and continue your gaslighting tactics all you want. However, it's not working.

As previously stated, it was a political joke. And there wouldn't be as much of an issue with fake news if more Americans fact checked...

Fake news, fake news, fake news. We get it. Everyone is wrong and you're right. The current President is an imbecile. Americans are dumb and don't have the cognitive abilities to discern the truth. Hilarious stuff.

True or False: HugeDomains bought your domain directly from BrandBucket?...

False, and you keep bringing it up again, and again, and again, and again, as an obvious attempt to avoid criticism.

You've been rude throughout to anybody questioning the validity of the events...

I can definitely be rather snarky, but I was never genuinely inappropriate to anyone who wasn't already hellbent on being rude to me, intentionally manipulative or dismissive of my concerns. Your entire interaction with me is actually a fine example of that.

Dear NPer's,

I'm sorry some pretentious domainer failed to perform due diligence before trying to add fuel to a real crisis with false premises that HugeDomains bought his domain for X,XXX and immediately listed it for sale for only 3X on HD; an obvious contradiction to their known business and a would be anomaly to their known acquisition model. This type of reporting, or lack there of, gives a bad reputation for americans as fact checkers.

What can I say though, US military veterans generally have a better attention to detail than civilians. Which branch stereotypically has a better attention to detail is debatable amongst service members. I will continue to perform my duties as a proud NP member, and provide assistance whenever and wherever it's needed. Whether that means combating fake news, fact checking the willing, or aiding victims of stolen domains. I am here willing, and ready to assist.

Yours truly.

This has to be one of most self-entitled, self-important statements that I have read in a long time.The fact that you feel so "insulted" (immediately after being called out) that you feel compelled enough to gloat publicly that you're a veteran and that you have these super human fact checking skills beyond the average civilian, is so incredibly unbecoming.

I have friends and family members who have served (most people do) so, I truly appreciate anyone who has served this great country, from the bottom of my heart. Which is why I find it utterly nauseasting that you feel as though having served somehow makes you immune to criticism after casting aspersions to anyone who may have voted for our President. Your behaviour might seem subtle to some folks, but I can spot that nonsense a mile away. You don't get an "I-can-insult-people's-intelligence-and-make-insulting-remarks" free card. You don't get to be the hero, bully and the victim. Judging from your last couple of responses, you're obviously not used to being called out on this. In fact, after seeing the direction that this thread has taken, my guess is that you use this military angle as a means to passively aggressively strongarm and bully people, quite often. So, feel free to project, deflect, spin and gaslight all you want. I personally won't tolerate it, but hey, you do you. So, thank you for your service, but I'm afraid you are not "above" anyone else here just because you happen to have served in the military. You're not "better" than anyone else here on the basis that you've convinced yourself to have secret agent fact checking abilities.

At this point, I think it's fairly safe to say that the conversation is beyond done. I know that I'm at least certainly done conversing with you. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if this thread ends up being one of the most derailed, dumpster fire spectacles that NP has ever seen. However, at least you've finally admitted the fact that HD has a very concerning high acquisition rate. I'm not sure it is an absolute "crisis" as you called it (as of now) but nice save, nonetheless.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

False, and you keep bringing it up again, and again, and again, and again, as an obvious attempt to avoid criticism.

No, I brought this up to support the theory that Americans, really though you in particular for this instance, as not having the greatest ability to discern between real and fake news. Case and point, you spreading an unverified claim to raise a greater concern. President Trump would certainly call this fake news seeing how you were using a false claim to benefit the argument of a greater concern. He might not disapprove of it because it might spark energy to the more important conversation. Nonetheless, it is what it is.

You're not "better" than anyone else here on the basis that you've convinced yourself to have secret agent fact checking abilities.

Really? After your incredibly negligent mistake, you still have the audacity to say my "fact checking skills" aren't better than yours. Maybe today that's the case. But you could learn, and improve to better than me, or others. As of right now you haven't exactly set a very high bar for your fact checking abilities. And by no means am I better than everybody here at fact checking.

In fact, I learned a lot of what I know from others here. People like @biggie @hookbox and others always giving me a hard time when I was wrong, and taking the time to correct/teach me. This is why everybody wanted to know the name. So it can be verified by some of the better fact checkers, not necessarily by me. I would have preferred to never have entered this thread. But the continuous nonsense you were spewing about the name not being important drug me into this pit of a chaos.

This has to be one of most self-entitled, self-important statements that I have read in a long time.

What do you expect when you ask a veteran to apologize for "unamerican" statements from a fake news generating machine otherwise known as "The Rover."


Without respect,
Have a nice day!

 

[lock]

Drop test domain if the Mann snaps it then your okay at domaining but you probably should have kept it.

 

[Soofi]

so, if I had bought it and did the same by listing it on Sedo, Afternic, UniReg, etc. then would it be such a big deal?


that's not HD fault because you chose to list it on bb, which imposes a price limit



if it was me, i be happy that somebody bought the name, and would take the money and move on

imo....

This post sums up everything for me!!

 

[The Rover]

This post sums up everything for me!!

LOL. Really? The resale price was never the actual concern as that was stated many times.

 

[elevator]

But that is the normal routine in every business all over the world and in domaining is the only business you buy and sell for about ten times rollover profit.

There is nothing bad in price control at BB; if the price does not go with you, you can withdraw your listing.

Just be happy someone buy your domain name; take your money and forget about the sales.

Cheers