domains GoDaddy took down abortionreporter.org

[Lox]

GoDaddy pulled the rug out from another Texas abortion whistleblower tip site that charged users $20 to submit a claim about a violation of the state's new abortion law.

Dan Race, GoDaddy's vice president of public relations, told Insider on Thursday that abortionreporter.org violated its terms of service.

"We have informed abortionreporter.org they have violated GoDaddy's terms of service and have 24 hours to move to a different provider," Race said. "The site violated our terms of service, including but not limited to, Section 5.2."

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[bmugford]

Good.

Doxxing sites that collect and store private information from 3rd parties, including medical records are not going to be allowed under almost any hosts TOS. There are likely several laws being violated which expose the host to serious liability.

The now-defunct website's "Terms and Conditions" page explicitly warned that any claims made on the site would be forwarded to an "interested 3rd-party organization that may or may not choose to act on the information and/or make contact with the customer for a follow-up."

This information could then be used to humiliate, bully, harass, and intimidate others. It is simply not acceptable.

On top of the collection of data itself, this website was also profiting (grifting) off that data by charging users to submit it. That might violate even more laws.

Brad

 

[The Rover]

Twitter #epikfail ... @epikfailsnippets GIYF.

Google is your friend? Google is literally the grandfather everything and everyone who's knee deep in political correctness and government surveillance. So let's use Google and see what pops up. Hmmm. Google is telling me that Gab.com is a social platform that has some extreme people on it, so it must be true. It must be way different than other platforms, because it's not as if Facebook/twitter has ever had users live stream actual murders in real time, right? It's not as if literal terrorists are active on both of those social platforms as we speak, right? Nah, that's not extremism, because, it's facebook and twitter.

Google tells me that Parlor is an alt right platform. Although they don't actually reveal why. But hey, that's def right wing extremism right? Because heaven forbid independent thought should stand without being censored.

Google tells me that Epik hosted an AR15 forum who's purpose is to hold discussion for those who have a desire to chat about AR15's, the most popular civilian rifle on the planet. Since guns are evil and must be banned, that must also be an extremist website, right?

But yes, Google is your friend. After all, with friends like that, who needs discernment? They tell you what to think and when to think it.

A user above commented that Epik's willingness and record for hosting numerous extremist websites is "no secret". Weird, because for something that is "no secret" you'd think that some of you would follow through and reveal at least a dozen or more, verifiable extremist websites that Epik was actually hosting. Many of you have bought into the agenda of redefining words like "extremism", and there within lies the rub. I'm willing to bet some of you wouldn't hesitate to label a Covid denier or someone who believes that the vaccine is poison, as an "extremist". This is dangerous territory. Some random, crazy Joe Public has convinced himself that the holocaust "never happened" or that covid is "fake", and people don't hesitate to dox and label that guy as an extremist, but an actual terrorist on twitter who is responsible for murders somehow gets a pass? Feel free to elaborate on those mental gymnastics.

If GoDaddy was ever hacked to this degree, you'd find countless unsavory, domain names that were registered, just the same. And Facebook? People would be utterly shocked at what they'd find if it was ever hacked. How convenient is it to claim that Epik disproportionately hosts a number of extremist websites and domains without having the deets on GoDaddy's database to compare and contrast such a claim? There's so much finger pointing and name calling. So many of you are always attempting to take the moral high ground, while injecting so much ideological bias and group-think bullshit into your worldview that you're unable to see straight.

The irony is that some of you sit there and type how none of this is really about politics while constantly using the trite reasons of "extremism", "alt right" and Rob's religious beliefs as the reasons for why Epik is so horrendous. Epik may have had some shitty security, there's obviously something with that, and I'm not saying that Epik didn't host any legit extremist websites. What I am saying, is that too many of you clearly love to cherry pick dangerous ideological witch hunts, as the world is burning all around you. Too many of you have clearly read the book "everyone I disagree with is an extremist".

The Epik hack is without a doubt, a cancel culture's wet dream, because America (and beyond) is so divided and blood thirsty now. We're on a terrible, terrible path and many don't see it and/or are simply apathetic to all of this, so long as you're selling domains and NFT's. Sadly, many of you naively assume that the very societal structures that support this forum and this industry will somehow automatically "exist" tomorrow despite the path that this world is on. What an utterly selfish, tragic position to have.

The depths of so many people's delusion and inability of seeing beyond duality is palpable, even via an internet connection. And I could seriously care less if some of you don't agree with my rant or believe that it's not "on topic", because the truth is that much of what I stated above is what's fueling many of the issues in today's and (tomorrow's) business landscape.

 

[noneisnone]

not sure why this is being turned into a political discussion i hate godaddy just as the next man but their actions here are completely ok in my book before you sign up with any service provider make sure to read the TOS carefully

i think the epik hack topic is bleeding into many other discussions here on namepros
people need to take a chill pill

 

[The Rover]

You don't have a right to collect private information like medical records, from 3rd parties, then use that information to doxx others. Turning this into a political thing is ridiculous.

Again, even Epik said the same behavior violated their own TOS.

This is a disgusting site and there is a reason they are going to have a hard time finding hosting, for obvious ethical and legal reasons.

Brad

Where did I say that this particular incident was not disgusting or justified? What I stated (in short-hand) is that when it comes to your personal position on virtually everything regarding this space, is that actions are rarely (if ever) politically motivated. Whether it's GoDaddy locking down Brent Oxley's domains or shutting down 2nd amendment websites, or the motivations behind Epik's recent attack, you're unable to admit that what's often fueling many decisions is actually corrupt ideology.

 

[The Rover]

Nope. I think GoDaddy's actions were wrong. That is all I am saying. I am not assigning any political motives to anything

And what was my opening comment on this thread, Brad? I said with you, it's never about politics, correct? So again, you're proving my exact point. You fail to ever recognize the motive. It doesn't get much more concise and clear than that.

At the time I didn't know of Brent's political beliefs. Later on when I did know, I did not care. This was simply an issue related to property rights and due process.

Yes, again, we've now further established that you don't actually care how political ideology is in fact a huge driver for so much despair and destruction in today's business landscape. But hey, let's keep pretending that the Oxley case was just some neutrally positioned dispute about property rights, instead of attempting to speak about the elephant in the room, right? It's great that you assisted Oxley, kudos for you. But attempting to "solve" any of these problems without looking at the motive is devoid of logic. It's like trying to pump the stomach of 3rd time suicide patient without wanting to ever look into perhaps what's driving them to commit suicide in the first place.

 

[The Rover]

Epik is well known for courting and hosting websites that were too extreme for other registrars/hosts, by their own definition. There is endless information about that online.

You can do our own research on that, plus it is getting off-topic.

I am sure GoDaddy has some extreme sites as well, on that scale it is just a numbers game. If you have 40-50% of the entire registry market share it happens.

Back to the main point of this threat. No legitimate host is going to allow this type of website.

Even Epik uber fan Samer can't deny the fact that Epik said this site is against their own TOS, as he attacks GoDaddy for giving them the boot.

Brad

Well, no Brad. I mean, you're the one on this thread who's making the claim that Epik is "clearly" disproportionately hosting "extremism" websites. So, if that's factual, then what examples can you give that supports your claim? I'm sure there's two or three legitimate extreme sites that have slipped though the cracks, but you and others are repeatedly suggesting that Epik is freely hosting radically extreme sites. That is a hefty claim. So again, what are some examples of some "extreme" websites that are being hosted by Epik? Again, you'd have to list more than simply two or three sites to support such a big claim, because anyone can find a moderately sized web host that has inadvertently hosted two or three, truly extreme sites

 

[Peak.Domains]

Leftist

I disagree, I think people on the right wing can also be against doxxing and breaking the law, not just leftists. Please give a little more credit to the right wing.

 

[The Rover]

Now I like GD a little bit more. So I still don't like them but a little bit less

If we're being 100% honest, in the not-so-distant-future, when one eventually has just two major domain registrars to choose from as a result of every other registrar being attacked, hacked, doxxed and decimated by woke fueled corporations, I'd imagine that it would be rather difficult to fully hate them, if they're one of the only choices left to operate your business.

 

[bmugford]

If we're being 100% honest, in the not-so-distant-future, when one eventually has just two major domain registrars to choose from as a result of every other registrar being attacked, hacked, doxxed and decimated by woke fueled corporations, I'd imagine that it would be rather difficult to fully hate them, if they're one of the only choices left to operate your business.

You don't have a right to collect private information like medical records, from 3rd parties, then use that information to doxx others. Turning this into a political thing is ridiculous.

Again, even Epik said the same behavior violated their own TOS.

This is a disgusting site and there is a reason they are going to have a hard time finding hosting, for obvious ethical and legal reasons.

I mean on top of that, the obvious grifting... $20 to submit a claim? Now you are financially profiting in the trafficking of 3rd party private medical records. Yeah, good luck with that.

Brad

 

[Silentptnr]

Brad your favorite registrar godaddy loves abortions in the name of “reproductive rights.”

Give the baby up for adoption!
NoDaddy loves the addiction to abortions.

How about you adopt them? If not, you should have nothing to say in what another person does with their body or what's inside their body.

 

[The Rover]

You might want to take a look at the Brent Oxley thread. I don't care about his political views.
In fact, I was one of the people who was most passionate and lead the charge when it came to GoDaddy's actions being wrong.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/br...ions-of-dollars-worth-of-his-domains.1230431/

I am the one who actually brought it to the ICA, which helped lead to the situation being revolved.

Brad

So then are you saying for the record, that you believe that GoDaddy's actions against Oxley were in fact primarily driven by ideology and politics within the work place of GoDaddy?

 

[The Rover]

Outside conspiracy theories, and wild accusations

Brad

"Conspiracy theories", the man says.

Have a nice night, Brad.

 

[The Rover]

Trivia Question -

Q. Which (2) web hosts said the Texas Right to Life website ProLifeWhistleblower.com was against their TOS?

A. GoDaddy and Epik.

Cool. Now answer this trivia question:

How many times do the phrases "Far right", "right wing", "alt-right" and "extreme right" appear in virtually every news headline regarding Epik after the hack?

But wait, none of this was ever fueled via politics and left wing ideology right? And if it is/was, motive simply isn't a topic you're interested in, am I right?

Unless of course the topic involves a crazy hard right website being taken down.

Then you're all about talking about it.

 

[The Rover]

he means anything his overlords dont approve of.

And watch what happens to this industry (and the rest of the world) over the next 24 months. Dualistic mindsets and dangerous group-think actions are destroying everything, including this forum. I challenge anyone to compare the division we see today here on this forum and then contrast that with just 3 years ago. Fascism is back, but it's being utterly inverted. Judging from so many clueless responses here, people haven't learned history when it comes to censorship and political witch hunts led by ideologies. The group-think and cat-calling on this forum and virtually every other website is beyond repair. I and multiple others are not even permitted to add our "two cents" over on the Epik thread. We're banned due to utterly baseless reasons, as anyone can take a gander RIGHT NOW and look at personal attacks and off topic rants that are still being perpetrated on that thread at this very moment. Yeah, really fair and balanced name pros. Well done!

All of this is really no different than the early events of the 1930's, which were originally leftist youth movements led by cynical, manipulative elites seeking personal gain and pitching vapid slogans. We can see this elite-like mentality in many industries, including this one. Without naming specific names, the sheer arrogance of some of the well known "players" in both the domain and the NFT space is mind numbing. They're pseudo elitists. They're willing to sell out and support extreme leftist ideology so long as they're making major cash in the interim. Is it a coincidence that the majority of the "big players" in this industry are utter sell outs who support the leftist agenda? No, it's not. Look at virtually every big domain industry blog and observe the actions of the blog owner. Look at the group-think mantras and the obsession to defend GoDaddy and/or the effort to avoid discussing the motives of Godaddy's divisive and dangerous corporate ideologies. Again, these people believe they're better humans than you are. This is why they are obsessed with calls to virtue. When the shit inevitably hits the fan in society, these people truly believe they will be "spared". It will be fascinating to watch their delusions fall apart in the months ahead. Many of these people are on the wrong side of history and they'll grasp that one day, but by then it will be too late.

In fact, the head-in-the-sand syndrome is so bad, that you have a few individuals right here on these forums, who claim to stand on the side of virtue and fairness, even going as far as claiming to participate in the very regulating bodies that govern this industry, and yet who are still utterly blind. They refuse to see reality for what it is, because although they would likely never admit it, once again, they've secretly convinced themselves that they're "better" than you. That's called elitism. These clueless idiots believe they'll have a seat at the "big boy's table" whatever the hell that means. In short, they believe they'll have more power and money, and thereby any regulations won't affect them personally. They're easy to spot here. They are the ones who attempt to deflect virtually every counter fact that you present to them. They try and avoid any "political" or ideological discussions UNLESS it aligns with their agendas and worldviews, and then they're all about passively trashing anyone who disagrees with them.

The countless people, both here and elsewhere, who are going out of there way to add fuel to the Epik shit storm have NO idea of the inevitable, overreaching regulations led by the same mentality and the same foot soldiers who orchestrated hack, that will eventually smother and destroy this industry. Rob may be one super weird dude. And he may have had terrible security practices, sure. But that is only ONE piece of what's going on here. The MOTIVE behind the attack is being utterly deflected and shoved right under the rug. The people behind the Epik attack literally do not want people like Rob (or anyone who doesn't share their woke, lemming like ideologies) to make it in society. They literally want those people tossed aside in the worst ways. That is evil.

 

[Future Sensors]

(from the same article Lox already mentioned)

GoDaddy took down another Texas abortion whistleblower tip site that charged people $20 to submit a claim

The "Terms and Conditions" page also reveals that the website is run by a
Wyoming-based company: Convenience Pro LLC. Wyoming's secretary of state
records show the company was created on September 7 — mere days after Texas
Right to Life's tip site, prolifewhistleblower.com, went offline after
encountering similar domain and web hosting difficulties with GoDaddy and
Epik.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ano...istleblower-tip-site-godaddy-took-down-2021-9

 

[jberryhill]

With this law they seem to have basically told Texas's anti-abortion citizens to go out into the streets with binoculars and camo to catch, then sue, any woman's DOCTOR (not the woman herself) performing an abortion.

You left out the best part. The doctor cannot obtain any damages, attorney's fees or sanctions, even if the claim was meritless.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/SB00008F.pdf#navpanes=0

(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a court may not award
costs or attorney’s fees under the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure or
any other rule adopted by the supreme court under Section 22.004,
Government Code, to a defendant in an action brought under this
section.

So, the vigilantes don't have to be particularly careful, since there is no downside.

 

[donnied79]

Now I like GD a little bit more. So I still don't like them but a little bit less

 

[bmugford]

I disagree, I think people on the right wing can also be against doxxing and breaking the law, not just leftists. Please give a little more credit to the right wing.

This is not a political thing.

These websites were even too extreme for Epik to host them. Samer must not be aware that Rob Monster said they violate Epik's own TOS.

No legitimate web host is going to allow a doxxing site like this for moral, ethical, and/or legal reasons.

Brad

 

[Samer]

Abortion isnt “reproductive” rights.

It’s termination.

Godaddy is picking sides; it’s quite shameful.

Samer

 

[Future Sensors]

Trivia Question -

Q. Which (2) web hosts said the Texas Right to Life website ProLifeWhistleblower.com was against their TOS?

A. GoDaddy and Epik.

Truth.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ortion-whistleblower-site-violates-its-rules/

 

[The Rover]

GoDaddy is a massive company, that as a registrar has around as many registrations as the next 10 largest registrars combined. They have a large number of clients across the political spectrum.

You can call them what you want, but Epik has gone out of their way to court and provide services to many fringe websites that were booted by several other registrars/hosts. That is not some secret.

Epik has a disproportionate amount of that type of client compared to their relatively small size.

The bottom line though is GoDaddy and Epik are in agreement that abortion doxxing sites violate their TOS.

This is not a GoDaddy issue. This is not a "free speech" issue. It is an issue to do with an unacceptable website, that both GoDaddy and Epik agree on.

Brad

Elaborate on what you're referring to when you say Epik has "that type of client".

 

[bmugford]

Clearly the website mentioned in this thread is breaking TOS. I'm not debating you there. But what are you defining as "fringe"? What other sites are you referring to? Can you give examples? At least more than just two or three that justifies your claim that Epik carelessly and freely gives a home to what you're defining as "extremism"? Because if you really want to play that game, I'm rather confident that GoDaddy has hosted some extreme content as well. But we don't hear you speaking about that, do we? So, yes, please give some examples as to what you're referring to as "fringe" in regards to Epik.

Epik is well known for courting and hosting websites that were too extreme for other registrars/hosts, by their own definition. There is endless information about that online.

You can do our own research on that, plus it is getting off-topic.

I am sure GoDaddy has some extreme sites as well, on that scale it is just a numbers game. If you have 40-50% of the entire registry market share it happens.

I am not aware of GoDaddy courting extreme websites. Are you? When the abortion doxxing sites came up, they gave them the swift boot.

Back to the main point of this threat. No legitimate host is going to allow this type of website.

Even Epik uber fan Samer can't deny the fact that Epik said this type of site is against their own TOS, as he attacks GoDaddy for giving them the boot.

Brad

 

[branding]

you and others are repeatedly suggesting that Epik is freely hosting radically extreme sites. That is a hefty claim. So again, what are some examples of some "extreme" websites that are being hosted by Epik?

Twitter #epikfail ... @epikfailsnippets GIYF.

 

[Future Sensors]

The scary thing here is that a domain registrar is dictating what content hits the World Wide Web.

I understand it can be confusing, but GoDaddy did this in their role as hoster, not registrar.

The relevant TOS section is 5.2:

1. You will not collect or harvest (or permit anyone else to collect or harvest) any User Content (as defined below) or any non-public or personally identifiable information about another User or any other person or entity without their express prior written consent.