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I mean that's just not correct. The only way most sites get taken down at Enom, Tucows, or DirectNic is court orders, not the registrar policing sites. If major registrars start policing sites according to whim (which of course they can do, but most choose not to), then whole swaths of people, left and right won't have a home anymore. I'm not even aware of any of those three taking down anything without a court order outside very very few exceptions (I think Enom once took down a Wikileaks .info site once, and they almost got in trouble for that).

You don't need a court order to take down a website.

A private host can decide what they host with or without a court order under their TOS.

Epik would not allow Texas Right to Life to host their abortion doxxing site, without a court order since it was a TOS violation.

That is all 100% factually correct. Period.

There is absolutely no justification at this point to allow these intimidation, harassment, doxxing sites to exist. I don't think you are really aware of the type of material and communications that have been used to try and intimidate others.

The fact that there have been allegations Rob was directly involved with this when it comes to @Molly White (above) makes it even worse.

Brad
 
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Molly White

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I mean that's just not correct. The only way most domains get taken down at Enom, Tucows, or DirectNic is court orders, not the registrar policing sites. If major registrars start policing sites according to internal policies (which of course they can do, but most choose not to), then whole swaths of people, left and right won't have a home anymore. I'm not even aware of any of those three taking down anything without a court order outside very very few exceptions (I think Enom once took down a Wikileaks .info site once, and they almost got in trouble for that).

Epik has repeatedly and publicly done this, for example with prolifewhistleblower quite recently.
 

shoulda9393

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You don't need a court order to take down a website.

A private host can decide what they host with or without a court order under their TOS.

Epik would not allow Texas Right to Life to host their abortion doxxing site, without a court order since it was a TOS violation.

That is 100% factually correct. Period.

There is absolutely no justification at this point to allow these intimidation, harassment, doxxing sites to exist. I don't think you are really connected to the type of material and communications that have been used to try and intimidate others.

The fact that there have been allegations Rob was directly involved with, especially when it comes to @Molly White makes it even worse.

Brad
I said in my post registrars don't technically need a court order. But both due to the impossibility of policing sites and the authoritarianism of doing so at the *domain* level, most choose not to unless it's something immediately, transparently illegal like child pornography.

I've been domaining for over 15 years, and I've never heard people judge a registrar by it's clients, because domain names aren't content. I mean maybe people wanting to use this thread about *content* should complain to the server companies if they some sort of extralegal thing one wants to pursue.
 

Molly White

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I mean maybe people wanting to use this thread about *content* should complain to the server companies if they some sort of extralegal thing one wants to pursue.

That would also be Epik, who is hosting Joey Camp's doxing material as we speak.
 
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shoulda9393

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Epik has repeatedly and publicly done this, for example with prolifewhistleblower quite recently.
Epik is not a large domain registrar, and they are setting a bad precedent if they are using their domain authority to restrict access to *content* that isn't transparently and immediately illegal to the site visitors, given domain names don't host content, servers do.
 
I said in my post registrars don't technically need a court order. But both due to the impossibility of policing sites and the authoritarianism of doing so at the *domain* level, most choose not to unless it's something immediately, transparently illegal like child pornography.

I've been domaining for over 15 years, and I've never heard people judge a registrar by it's clients, because domain names aren't content. I mean maybe people wanting to use this thread about *content* should complain to the server companies if they some sort of extralegal thing one wants to pursue.

It is not an impossibility here. It is an undeniable fact Rob was aware of these sites.
He has referenced them and the party behind them multiple times.

The unacceptable behavior is well documented and has been brought to his attention many times. He has claimed to take action on them, but that doesn't really appear to be the case.

It seems more like he is saying one thing, while the sites keep popping back up.

Brad
 
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shoulda9393

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It is not an impossibility here. It is undeniable fact Rob was aware of these sites.
He has referenced them and the party behind them multiple times.

The unacceptable behavior is well document and has been brought to his attention many times. He has claimed to take action on them, but that doesn't really appear to be the case.

It seems more like he is saying one thing, while the sites keep popping back up.

Brad
Hate sites are at DirectNic, Enom, Tucows, and almost every domain wholesaler. Even stormfront set up shop on DirectNic a long time ago. The pitchforks are after Epik today for god knows what reason for content, when registrars larger than his also have domain names related to hate sites

Even if I were to assume for a second this was genuinely about taking down hate sites, why Epik and not Vanwatech, Vanwatech is where all the "worst" moved to.
 
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Hate sites are at DirectNic, Enom, Tucows, and almost every domain wholesaler. Even stormfront set up shop on DirectNic a long time ago. The pitchforks are after Epik today for god knows what reason for content, when registrars larger than his also have domain names related to hate sites

Just deflection. Whataboutism.

Rob is aware of these sites. Period.
Rob said he was going to disable these sites. Period.

It appears the sites keep popping back up on Epik related servers.

I guess @Molly White can only blame herself right? You know, since in Rob's judgement she must not be a "lovely" person and all...

Brad
 
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Future Sensors

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People are telling me this thread isn't about trolls and you are quoting me a nazi troll named Weev and another longtime old anti-semitic troll "Kirtaner".

You know quite a lot about it. Thanks for the insight.
 

Molly White

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Hate sites are at DirectNic, Enom, Tucows, and almost every domain wholesaler. Even stormfront set up shop on DirectNic a long time ago. The pitchforks are after Epik today for god knows what reason for content, when registrars larger than his also have domain names related to hate sites

Even if I were to assume for a second this was genuinely about taking down hate sites, why Epik and not Vanwatech, Vanwatech is where all the "worst" moved to.

Because Epik is the one currently enabling a man to actively endanger me, my family, and others I care about. It is also the one whose CEO allegedly was communicating with the man endangering me about his activities specifically pertaining to me.
 
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shoulda9393

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Just deflection. Whataboutism.

Rob is aware of these sites. Period.
Rob said he was going to disable these sites. Period.

It appears the sites keep popping back up on Epik related servers.

Brad
The worst ones moved to Vanwatech. Epik has responded almost every time to the worst sites and they migrated to Vanwatech. Why are we here talking about Epik instead of Vanwatech if this is about taking down the worst hate sites?
 
The worst ones moved to Vanwatech. Epik has responded almost every time to the worst sites and they migrated to Vanwatech. Why are we here talking about Epik instead of Vanwatech if this is about taking down the worst hate sites?

Well, this thread is about Epik. Look at the title.

The bottom line is Epik is aware of these sites, said they are going to take action, and they appear to keep popping back up on Epik connected servers.

Brad
 
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shoulda9393

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Well, this thread is about Epik. Look at the title.

Brad
The reason people aren't focused on Vanwatech is because a Wikipedia admin, an anti-semitic troll named "kirtaner", and a few others have a personal vendetta against Rob.

Let's be honest here. Vanwatech has the worst sites, and this thread is constantly being bumped by because of the presence of people with vendettas against Rob and/or Epik.
 
and this thread is constantly being bumped by because of the presence of people with vendettas against Rob and/or Epik.

Or, it is being bumped up because a CEO who is the sole board member, and majority shareholder refuses to take accountability for the actions that lead to a massive data breach based on "shitty Russian code" (his words).

The complete lack of security protocols that lead to this.

He seems busier trying to humble brag and be a troll instead of providing useful updates.

There are many actual victims here, while Rob is going through a "struggle session". That is just pure narcissism.

Ignore, blame, deflect.

Brad
 
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shoulda9393

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You know way too much.
I just spent a lot of time reading Twitter because my domains were in the dataset like everyone who used Epik (ie I'm an Epik domainer among other registrars, not a Wikipedian or a 4chan troll).

You get a real time update of possibile guilty parties on Twtter.

Apparently the alleged hacking related people are so messed up they are now threatening each others welfare on Twitter, despite having the same politics with respect to Epik. This thread is drama-circus and will continue to be until the Twitter and Wikipedia people are booted off. Anyway, I'm out, I'm just a forum lurker anyway. Quote away, I'm not responding and will lock myself out of here.

I hope people use Twitter for content disputes and Namepros for domains, so this forum so many read becomes a mature alternative to Twitter.
 
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Hate sites are at DirectNic, Enom, Tucows, and almost every domain wholesaler. Even stormfront set up shop on DirectNic a long time ago. The pitchforks are after Epik today for god knows what reason for content, when registrars larger than his also have domain names related to hate sites

You got this part right. Epik is far from having a corner on the market on controversy though a review of Wikipedia or MSM would not suggest it. This was an old summary:

https://www.epik.com/blog/splc

Specific to ProLifeWhistleBlower.com, we did not deplatform them. We convinced them that their idea was misguided and they opted to redirect their traffic. I consider that to be a diplomatic win.

We really don't take it lightly to do a takedown. If/when it happens for an established client, we try to handle it as gracefully as possible. Sometimes that grace is abused.

It is remarkable how little wrath some of these larger companies receive by comparison. Clearly this has little to do with logic.

It is also remarkable how little effort most registrars and hosts exhibit in attempting to defuse and/or rehabilitate problem clients. Instead they pass the buck or send them to the dark web. Very weak.

Epik empowers content, community and commerce within the bounds of the law. We were already a capable company. We recently secured additional resources with which to advance the cause.

I am as disappointed as anyone that this incident occurred. The fast-growing Epik team is operating with the optimistic and forward-looking mindset of "that which does not kill us makes us stronger".

As for @bmugford and his interest in Epik operating updates, as far as I know, he has no domains at Epik. As far as I can tell his last transaction on Epik was in 2014. I am sure this mystery will be revealed in time...

Have a blessed evening everyone!
 
As for @bmugford and his interest in Epik operating updates, as far as I know, he has no domains at Epik. As far as I can tell his last transaction on Epik was in 2014. I am sure this mystery will be revealed in time...

What mystery?

I never claimed to currently have any domains at Epik. I if I did, I would have moved them out after you shared the video of innocent people being slaughtered in the New Zealand shooting and implied it was a hoax.

I am just a victim of the "shitty code" the same as many others.

I already said in this thread I believe I ended up with an Epik account via having an account at InTrust Domains, though I am not positive. I believe I bought a domain via your marketplace years ago. That is the extent of my interaction as far as I can remember, yet I still got pwned in the data breach.

Brad
 
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Future Sensors

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he has no domains at Epik.

Just like 15MM people who were affected by the first data breach. See Have I Been Pwned, section Epik, for more details.

You still don't understand. Good luck with your reform.
 
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The only reason the Joey Camp issue has any value in this discussion is if Monster instigated Joey Camp to go after someone because of a wiki article, which it appears he did, because shows the lengths to which Monster will go to silence critics.

The motive for the hack doesn't really matter. Who cares if it was about money, or ideologies or whatever. The issues are all the technical things Monster lied about - passwords, credit cards, secret code, etc etc etc.
 

FernandoBMS

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I am just a victim of the "shitty code" the same as many others.

By the way, @Rob Monster, I asked you many times and people here even tagged Opryshko directly and still no answer.

Is Vitaliy Opryshko still Head Of Software Development at Epik dot com.

Is Epik still using Kenn Palm's We Can Develop IT! as it's software development service provider?
 

Molly White

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You got this part right. Epik is far from having a corner on the market on controversy though a review of Wikipedia or MSM would not suggest it. This was an old summary:

https://www.epik.com/blog/splc

Specific to ProLifeWhistleBlower.com, we did not deplatform them. We convinced them that their idea was misguided and they opted to redirect their traffic. I consider that to be a diplomatic win.

We really don't take it lightly to do a takedown. If/when it happens for an established client, we try to handle it as gracefully as possible. Sometimes that grace is abused.

It is remarkable how little wrath some of these larger companies receive by comparison. Clearly this has little to do with logic.

It is also remarkable how little effort most registrars and hosts exhibit in attempting to defuse and/or rehabilitate problem clients. Instead they pass the buck or send them to the dark web. Very weak.

Epik empowers content, community and commerce within the bounds of the law. We were already a capable company. We recently secured additional resources with which to advance the cause.

I am as disappointed as anyone that this incident occurred. The fast-growing Epik team is operating with the optimistic and forward-looking mindset of "that which does not kill us makes us stronger".

As for @bmugford and his interest in Epik operating updates, as far as I know, he has no domains at Epik. As far as I can tell his last transaction on Epik was in 2014. I am sure this mystery will be revealed in time...

Have a blessed evening everyone!

Joey Camp is still using your servers to host content which is not lawful, over which you have previously said you would be "parting ways". Shortly after you posted about parting ways, you revealed it to be untrue, and that Epik would continue to provide Camp with services, with nothing in place to stop him from just putting the same content up at other Epik domains. In less than 24 hours since you sinkholed his domain last night, he has used at least two Epik domains as well as Epik hosting services for this content. How long have those sites been hosted on Epik, by the way, and why has that been allowed to continue?

Should bmugford expect a profile at Camp's site too, by the way? That seems to keep happening to people where you talk about "things being revealed".
 
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Derek Peterson

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You got this part right. Epik is far from having a corner on the market on controversy though a review of Wikipedia or MSM would not suggest it. This was an old summary:

https://www.epik.com/blog/splc

Specific to ProLifeWhistleBlower.com, we did not deplatform them. We convinced them that their idea was misguided and they opted to redirect their traffic. I consider that to be a diplomatic win.

We really don't take it lightly to do a takedown. If/when it happens for an established client, we try to handle it as gracefully as possible. Sometimes that grace is abused.

It is remarkable how little wrath some of these larger companies receive by comparison. Clearly this has little to do with logic.

It is also remarkable how little effort most registrars and hosts exhibit in attempting to defuse and/or rehabilitate problem clients. Instead they pass the buck or send them to the dark web. Very weak.

Epik empowers content, community and commerce within the bounds of the law. We were already a capable company. We recently secured additional resources with which to advance the cause.

I am as disappointed as anyone that this incident occurred. The fast-growing Epik team is operating with the optimistic and forward-looking mindset of "that which does not kill us makes us stronger".

As for @bmugford and his interest in Epik operating updates, as far as I know, he has no domains at Epik. As far as I can tell his last transaction on Epik was in 2014. I am sure this mystery will be revealed in time...

Have a blessed evening everyone!

Poor Monster. Such a victim. It just isn't fair. UGH. Monster did every possible thing he could do brand epik as free speech registrar, which I always knew he was faking, and directly reached out to all popular people on right and tried to convince them to move to epik. Now the guy is complaining because his marketing stunt worked, the same one that made him millions of dollars.
 

Future Sensors

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directly reached out to all popular people on right and tried to convince them to move to epik

This needs more clarification. Since you and Rob were on the same controversial right platforms, would you consider yourselves both right? Maybe in the same category but not on the same page because of a business conflict?
 
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