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Epik and Parler

Located in Domain Registrar Reviews, started by DomainBanana, Jan 11, 2021

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  1. oldtimer

    oldtimer Do some good for humanity and the environment VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    "Free Speech" means that people should be free to express their grievances, dislikes, and even their anger at what they find to be unfair or unjust,

    Whether on the right or on the left it is the responsibility of those who manage and operate the social platforms to make sure that they don't allow a few fanatics and extremists who are willing to cross the lines to ruin it for everyone else who although very vocal, but do not wish to cause any bodily harm or damage to others.

    IMO
     
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  2. Grilled

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/parler-shared-information-fbi-capitol-riot-suspect-2021-1
    https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20454504-eduard-florea-case

     
  3. oldtimer

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    @Grilled

    It's not fair for you to be switching your posts around like you just did.

    you deleted your post that was the last one on the previous page and posted it again after my comment on this page and put a whole different post in its place on the previous page.

    Although you are allowed to edit your posts, but I don't think it's right for you to be changing thier places around in their entirety.

    IMO
     
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  4. Grilled

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    @Makise -- Video jokes aside, while I understand you jumping to try and reiterate this to folks in the domain industry,

    Do you or @Rob Monster not see how this <Takei Tweet> could be a softball opportunity for @epik to engage with mainstream media to garner the mic, and set some things straight with perhaps the advantage of a friendly t(r)ekkie/humorous spin? What's that old phrase, turning lemons into lemonade?

    eg. Misinformation from a high profile celebrity gives up a national microphone should Epik chose to engage with George Takei. I mean, who doesn't think a headline such as Epik Educates (or responds to) (or hits back at) George Takei would be picked up by AP or other PR outlets.

    Thus, with more mainstream media attention/ citable sources, the more opportunity Epik has to clear their image, set records straight, which would inevitably lead to/help clean up the Epik wikipedia page with more citable/less disputable instances/sources.

     
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  5. Grilled

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    Settle down @oldtimer. Not fair?

    Is this a competition or is this one of those ""this is my thread"" type of things that would likely best if rather than casually ignoring one another, one of us utilized the ignore feature?

    By the time I finished editing my post, it was quite long, and hard to follow the two separate events. So I thought it best to break it up into two posts, with related links in chronological order, opposed to a <<<>>> breakage.

    My post(s) had nothing to do with any of your posts. TBH, I generally skip through most of your posts. You can edit your quote and quote whatever you were responding to if you feel my edit messed up your post/response order for better reading clarity.
     
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  6. oldtimer

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    I have nothing against you, and might even appreciate reading your comments,

    but, I am just pointing out that in the long time that I have been on this forum I don't recall seeing anyone switching around the position of their posts in their entirety and in all honesty I don't believe that it's allowed to be done like that once someone else has made a comment in between.

    and I am referring to your posts #50 and #52 being switched around with one another.

    IMO
     
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  7. Grilled

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    Post #50: My initial post included and stemmed from a January 13th tweet. By the time I finished writing on the subject and was about to log off, I realized I forgot the January 14th Parler update which related more to the January 13th tweet, than to the (January 14th BusinessInsider article) re: FBI investigation.. Added it. And felt it to be too long and unrelated to be included as one post, as the <<<>>> didn't help much.

    Post #51: I did not get an alert of this post. None of my posts were quoted. Nor did I realize that you and I were prior engaged in any sort of direct ongoing discussion.

    Post #52: The BusinessInsider article was published January 14th. Hence why it got bumped back past the 13th/14th links. For the 99%+ future readers/reading clarity.

    Post #53: Waaah? Is this guy serious? Ok, I'm awake now, and slightly grilled. Where's that Takei post/missed opportunity?

    Post #54: Takei!

    Post #55: Why can't I just ignore it? IDK, for whatever reason, I felt/feel the need to explain myself. I probably edited it too much. But in my defense (not a great one at that, and to your point/displeasure), I set your profile on ignore after reading post #53, and edited post #55 after you posted #56 as I was not alerted in real time to post #56 due to setting you on ignore at #53.

    Post #56: Is this necessary? It's lateAF right now. And this seems pointless. Where's that ignore feature?

    Post #57: Blah. Blah. <<explains self>> Blah. Blah. And back to ignore. ✌
     
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  8. oldtimer

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    I haven't said anything to you here that calls for me to be put on ignore,

    I just brought up a legitimate concern,

    But I guess it's your choice if you want to silence my voice.

    IMO
     
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  9. JB Lions

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    Just saw this pop up, it was a story on my homepage/start page, MSN.com:

    "Robert Davis, senior vice president of Epik Inc., told The Wall Street Journal his firm warned TheDonald.Win it might be dropped within days if it fails to better cull what he said are discussions glorifying violence, propagating white supremacy and fomenting extremism.

    "They need to recognize the critical role they play as an inspirational place rather than a hotbed of extremism,” Mr. Davis said. “Epik has no tolerance for anything that incites hate or violence.” If the site didn’t fix the problem speedily, he added, “they’re gone from Epik and it will be hard for them to get service anywhere.

    TheDonald.Win has been identified by law enforcement and analysts as an important online staging platform for the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol that federal prosecutors are investigating as a seditious act and President-Elect Biden characterized as domestic terrorism. Recent posts on the forum viewed by the Journal have included further calls for violence, including a threat to kill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi about which the FBI was informed, according to people familiar with the matter.............

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...aces-possible-shutdown/ar-BB1cOtaE?li=BBnb7Kz
     
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  10. Save Breach

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    Epik is censorship resistant, and I think that's a cool thing. I don't want to know what Parler is/was, but I do know for a fact that Epik is against censorship and doesn't engage in unfair practices which the big bullies like AWS and GoDaddy take part in.

    If you are against it, then my friend you have no idea what internet censorship is and how the bigger companies operate by effectively censoring content based on political views and so on, to serve their own interests.

    Cheers
     
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  11. Samer

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    Some people here (like post, preceding you)
    Dont care about censorship
    just projection, of their Political Bias.

    Go Epik!
     
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  12. JB Lions

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    You like to lie a lot, I point out reality. You guys run around talking about GD, FB, Twitter etc. and say go to these other places that also have a TOS they enforce.

    So GoDaddy kicks a site for violating the TOS = outrage

    Epik or Gab or somebody else does the same thing = silence

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    Reading the article some more, seems owner has no control of the place. Owner said he's getting death threats and one of his "powerful" mods controls the code:

    "The owner of the domain TheDonald.Win, Jody Williams, said he has been trying for months to purge a surging tide of violent, racist and anti-Semitic postings, an effort he said has triggered multiple daily death threats from censored posters against him and his family. Mr. Williams said a small cluster of the site’s most powerful moderators—including one who controls its code—have thwarted his efforts to rein in such content even as it grew over the last 10 months."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...aces-possible-shutdown/ar-BB1cOtaE?li=BBnb7Kz
     
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  13. dna

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  14. karmaco

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    Good for Epik if they stay true to their word and deplatform accordingly. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you can plan coups, make threats, carry out those threats and promote white supremacy and hate speech. Your free speech ends and becomes criminal when you encourage and plan with others to over take a government, partake in hate crimes, threaten to kill people, etc.

    You can’t reason with a cult. Look at how they were threatening the site owner. Learn more about what freedom of speech really means.

    Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury.
     
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  15. JB Lions

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    Just saw a blog post about Parler resolving again, 1 page about being back soon
     
  16. rh2000

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    Good.
     
  17. Rob Monster

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    The folks at Parler are on a journey. And like all of us, they are a work in progress.

    In the meantime, as some are aware, Parler.com showed up at Epik without notice or invitation. We have since started to get to know them. Whether Parler's platform comes back online is not known. For now, they have started to inventory the task in the wake of a brutal and coordinated takedown by Big Tech.

    As for what comes next, I do think humanity deserves better. Two wrongs don't make a right. Related comments:

    (1) an open letter posted before Parler arrived: https://www.epik.com/official/parlerstatement

    (2) an update post domain move: https://www.epik.com/official/parlerupdate/

    The key message that I will give you, is one that is that Epik has thoughtfully and fearlessly engaged both the far right and the far left for the last 2 years. We have done so with optimism, humility and compassion, appealing to the higher self of each person that is placed into our path.

    The approach of constructive and transparent engagement has been a consistent theme as a way of countering hate and fear. Censorship will drive people to platforms like Telegram where there is little moderation, no surveillance, and where intolerance is too readily allowed to feed on itself.

    For those who support Draconian deplatforming and unconditional censorship, know that unilateral control of all narrative is a proven recipe for spawning a vast number of Timothy McVeighs. As I have encountered some of these types in the past, that would very likely be the road to hell.

    Open communities with capable 24/7 moderators that enforce guidelines for acceptable use, within the bounds of the governing law, are a viable and proven path forward.
     
  18. karmaco

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    The parlers were actually sending death threats to John Matze over his cooperation with the FBI. I want it to go back up. Much easier for the FBI to monitor future threats and plans.
     
  19. Gube

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    That's not that good.. I wonder if he could have built it and remained unknown at all times :xf.confused:
    If no one had known who built it, or who was behind it, they couldn't have sent anything
     
  20. MapleDots

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    Baby steps JB, it's a good start and looks a lot more professional than arguing on a forum.

    Now they need to realize that less is more, say what you need to and keep it short and on topi
    The Parlers are not Parler

    The platform gives a voice they are not the voice.
    Partler has already said they could not take the requested posts down fast enough for godaddy.

    I can go on twitter and find lots of hate, it is there days after being posted. Lets take the site down, the owner is a narcist anyways!!
     
  21. LoodeX

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    Do you need help Canada or did you actually lose the location you stand at ?
     
  22. LoodeX

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    The math is pretty simple
     
  23. Samer

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    For once, we agree.

    Dont use one event as an excuse to obliterate platforms.

    Enforce equal treatment. Twitter should permanently ban Kathy Griffin for the gory picture decapitated President.
    could go on and on, and that's just from top of my head. Dont see Twitter going away. Not even Kathy’s twitter lol.
     
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  24. DirkS

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  25. Rob Monster

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    Parler.com is back online with a 1 page lander. We are NOT the host and have no idea if and when their site or apps will come back online. Here is a partial summary links for those trying to keep up.

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    CNN information regarding Epik:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/tech/parler-back-online


    Truth about AWS deplatforming and our work countering hate:

    https://uncoverdc.com/2021/01/14/exclusive-epiks-advice-to-parler/

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/parlers-website-back-online-with-a-message-from-its-ceo_3660235.html

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/parler-social-media-amazon-conservative/2021/01/14/id/1005609/

    http://www.christianitydaily.com/ar...rler-finds-new-host-after-amazon-takedown.htm

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/14/...-domain-policy-guidance-standard-free-speech/

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/web-hosting-service-epik-parler-hasnt-contacted-us_3653132.html


    Cooperation to reduce racism and discrimination:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...7a71ac-580a-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/pro-tr...hutdown-over-violent-racist-posts-11610819176


    Past efforts in directly combatting Racism:

    www.epik.com/blog/fightinghate


    Check out the five points at the bottom of this page if you want real truth:

    www.epik.com/blog/mashable


    Check out the truth about SPLC’s attack on us:

    www.epik.com/blog/splc


    Read for yourself our encouragements to PayPal to stop creating hardships for the underserved:

    www.epik.com/blog/paypal


    See firsthand how the media attempted to manufacture Epik as being the home of the Proud Boys:

    www.epik.com/blog/fakenews
     

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