Dyna and Bodis team up for a bullsh*t sprint

[alcy]

its official dyna and bodis are desperate for cash and they dont give shit to inconvenience or respect domainers to get it

recently I noticed my freshly expired names change bodis account. so I'm thinking some moron made time machine and thinks he got my names from some future expired auction.. and bodis didnt do their proper check...except those are names I was gonna renew. and it kept occurring.

long story short I emailed bodis and they said they are now big let's make money buddies with dyna and expired names switch to dyna account on bodis aftr expiry... never u focking mind about the 50 gazillion domainers who renew names after expiry. we just want that extra 50 bucks.


anyway fock this shit.

 

[Gabriel360]

Hi

technically, you don't have control, because you can't change ns
you can only renew/restore within the allotted time frame

godiddy has auctions for expired names every day and dropcatchers allow you to bid/backorder on expiring names too.

what do you expect them to do with the name when the registrant doesn't renew before/on expiry date?
the 30-45 day grace period, is just that...a grace period.

be glad you get that extra time to renew or restore, but don't fault the registrar for trying to monetize them.

imo

First of all, the ability to renew, transfer or let a domain name expire is the ULTIMATE control.

If you still have the ability to do that, you control is superior to that of the registrar.

For instance, there's a registrar that offers name within the grace period for sale as expired auctions. But the original registrants can still renew the domain names even after the auction has started and put an end to the auction.

Register wants to sell it but Registrant vetoes the sales. That is control.

Also the grace period is not a privilege or boon to be grateful for. It is a fundamental part of the lifecycle of a domain name.

If it was an optional thing that exists because of the benevolence of a registrar, greedy registrars would have gotten rid of it a long time ago.

A registrar with a 30-day grace deletion period is not doing anything extra. It's doing the bare minimum.

People do not need to grovel in thanks for that.

However, you are correct that the registrar are within their rights to profit by parking expired domain names within the grace period.

But it's still a shitty thing to do.

It's a shitty thing to do because like I said in my previous post, a domain name could be parked with ads that could be used as ammunition in a UDRP case.

 

[Gabriel360]

They need to give you 30 days grace before arbitrarily stealing them and taking them off your Bodis account.

The world is so incredibly greedy these days and everyone is looking for a new angle to scam in to make a few more pennies, and always at a cost to their actual customers.

It's shocking. And the greed has saturated everything and everywhere.

This particular arrangement by Dynadot and Bodis is peak greed.

Dynadot is a growing registrar. They won the Best Registrar of the Year on NamePros last year and are on track to win it again this year.

So they are probably doing well.

Plus, they have both expired domain auctions and closeouts. So if the registrant lets a name expire, they could still make money from the domain name.

But they still chose to burrow into the grace period to make money while waiting to make more money.

It's off-putting.

 

[Grilled]

When domain names expire, registrars typically give a 30-day grace period to renew or transfer the domain names.

During that period, the nameservers are changed to something like Ns1.regexpired.com and Ns2.regexpired.com.

And these nameservers would typically resolve to a landing page encouraging the domain owner to renew the domain name. Or promote other offers by the registrar like auctions.

But it sounds like some hotshot executive at Dynadot came up with the brilliant idea to make money within the 30-day grace period by changing the default expired domain nameservers to ns1 and ns2.bodis.com.

Instead of a Dynadot landing page saying the domain name has expired, Dynadot points expired domain names to Bodis to make money from parking domain names.

In other words, Dynadot now parks domain names that can still be renewed or transferred by the registrant.

It's a shitty thing to do!

Especially when you consider the possibility that some parked domain names could be used to promote products/services that would provide ammunition for a UDRP case.

Dynadot already makes money from expired domain name auctions and closeouts.

Trying to make money by parking a domain name that is still technically under the control of a registrant is pure greed.

Kooky stuff!

I was going to vote for @Dynadot as best registrar of 2024, but this Dyna/Bodis partnershitp doesn't sit well with me.

Is there a way to opt out?

pennies, add up to nickels and so on.

Pennies, add up to a UDRP loss and so on.

@Caleb Tweed - if a registrant renews their expired dynadot domain, but the registrant subsequently receives a UDRP complaint citing the expired PPC ads, will @Dynadot help the registrant with a UDRP defense?

Or does dynadot enact this PPC change, and put 100% of the liability on the registrant?

Spoiler: Do PPC links taint domains won from expired dynadot auctions?

Could the winner of a dynadot expired domain auction be at greater risk of UDRP if this dyna/bodis partnership showed an infringing PPC link(s) during the time a domain is expired prior to being auctioned off?

 

[alcy]

This is why i like:

Sav & WHC.ca doesn't do it right away after expiry.


NameCheap / GoDaddy / Dynadot change nameservers to parked page after expiry. Trying to make pennies.

yea this is why I'm happy to leave dyna for sav... bye bye greedy dyna and your shit prices.

ps sav has no bodis bullshit greedy penny teamup.

 

[biggie]

However, you are correct that the registrar are within their rights to profit by parking expired domain names within the grace period.

But it's still a shitty thing to do.

Hi

initially, i wanted to know rationale for title of thread.

since you have agreed that registrar is within their rights to take such action...
then any notion or argument that they are being greedy is about the same as what a domain resellers goal is.

we're in it to profit, just like the registrars, and some prospective buyers may see sellers as being greedy, when they're asking 1000% markup on fresh regged names.
registries are marking up certain new extension prices, that are many times the cost of a .com, yet who's calling them greedy?

it's about perspective.

imo...

 

[Skyvisum]

This is an unethical move by Dynadot and bodis .Today i discovered Namecheap is also a part of this unethical move.

I checked a name I transferred away from namedheap to Dynadot in June after it expired. Unknown to me,bodis already moved name out of my bodis account to namecheap bodis account and i did not get an email it was moved out.

So today on a routine check on this domain,it was showing namecheap expired page with monetization lander from bodis .

So I emailed bodis and got this below;

"Thank you for contacting us. It appears this domain name (***.com) was transferred to an account managed by the Namecheap registrar on June 3 of this year following a brief expiration period, but you should have received a notification at the time. As a partner of Namecheap, we do monetize some of their expired domain inventory.

This domain has now been moved back to your Bodis account.

Thank you for your patience."

I have replied bodis to ask where are all the earnings since June .

Moving names out of a name that would still be renewed to quickly make a quick bucks is unethical as far as I am concerned .Why don't they leave the page blank like namebright ,to avoid instances of a UDRP because you never know what they display on the landers .

I would be moving my names away from namecheap and dynadot for these reasons .I would also stop using bodis after next month after I get paid for this month earnings.

Good luck guys. Thank you Alcy .I am with you all the way.

 

[Skyvisum]

Dynadot is becoming annoying at this point. I wrote to them to leave the page blank rather than monetize the name because whois still has my name on it and I technically still own the name and not Dynadot .

Below is the reply I got,you decide if Dynadot new greed is beclouding their judgement of monetizing your domain a day after it expires. Dynadot reply below ;

Hello,

Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

When the domains expire they will be deleted from your account and your information of them on the WHOIS will be replaced by ours, so please don't worry about that. We just want to park expired domains with parking companies.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

 

[alcy]

Dynadot is becoming annoying at this point. I wrote to them to leave the page blank rather than monetize the name because whois still has my name on it and I technically still own the name and not Dynadot .

Below is the reply I got,you decide if Dynadot new greed is beclouding their judgement of monetizing your domain a day after it expires. Dynadot reply below ;

Hello,

Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

When the domains expire they will be deleted from your account and your information of them on the WHOIS will be replaced by ours, so please don't worry about that. We just want to park expired domains with parking companies.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

translation.. we just want to squeeze every lst cent from your expired names and we dont give a shit 50 trillion people will have to waste time emailing bodis back and forth to put names back into their bodis account after they renew their expired names.

not sure which places bodis partners with for this bullshit greed sprint other than dyna and nc but I'm glad sav isnt one of them.

I'm moving all to sav anyway. the few bugs they got suddenly seem like nothing compared to the greed and total lack of tact and respect from dyna

 

[Mister Funsky]

The lack of @Dynadot responding here speaks volumes (yeah, Caleb is on vacation but it is unsettling that no one else can reply).

Got to take a look at Sav and Spaceship.

 

[markfromslo]

it's not rocks mate its facts

Maybe, but you have not said anything with clarity. No one really has any idea what you so poorly wrote.

 

[silentg]

Same issue:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863290091222786369

Got response from the CEO: Todd:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863474379990122637

 

[alcy]

Maybe, but you have not said anything with clarity. No one really has any idea what you so poorly wrote.

I not know yo questian

 

[Mister Funsky]

Same issue:

It is heartwarming Todd can take the time to post on X/twit but not here.

Starting my move of names soon...I do not need super bulk pricing so badly I will risk losing a name due to the Dyna penny pinching plan.

 

[alcy]

It is heartwarming Todd can take the time to post on X/twit but not here.

Starting my move of names soon...I do not need super bulk pricing so badly I will risk losing a name due to the Dyna penny pinching plan.

as predicted the greed dream team loses 1 dollar in lost client biz moving away for every 1 cent made on parking expired names

bravo to the shit teamup

 

[Grilled]

The lack of @Dynadot responding here speaks volumes (yeah, Caleb is on vacation but it is unsettling that no one else can reply).

Got to take a look at Sav and Spaceship.

Given the holiday season I thought this comment was a little premature but then I saw how fast dynadot Todd responded to the Twitter thread... makes me think dynadot doesn't care about their namePros presence!!

Got response from the CEO: Todd:

The tweets make this issue seem worse than I thought.

If dynadot changes the whois email at day 1 expiration, does that mean dynadot receives all offers/emails sent to the whois email during expiration?

That's one step away from Dynadot starting to warehouse domains, and responding to expired domain offers just like the Rob Monster/Epik shenanigans.

Maybe, but you have not said anything with clarity. No one really has any idea what you so poorly wrote.

Right... I appreciate Alcy's heads up, but this thread was surely, poorly, angrily, and/or drunkenly written!

It is heartwarming Todd can take the time to post on X/twit but not here.

Starting my move of names soon...I do not need super bulk pricing so badly I will risk losing a name due to the Dyna penny pinching plan.

I have the same thoughts...

I'm moving all to sav anyway. the few bugs they got suddenly seem like nothing compared to the greed and total lack of tact and respect from dyna

Sav, Spaceship, Porkbun... There are many domainer friendly registrars, sadly Dynadot has other priorities now.

 

[Grilled]

bravo to the shit teamup

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863365375049515337

Hopefully @Dynadot takes a hard look at how this bodis partnershit is ruining the partnership domainers thought they had with Dynadot... before it's too late!

 

[silentg]

Just checked their forum accounts:
@Dynadot 2022
@Caleb Tweed - Nov 2024

They stopped doing support on here.

 

[Grilled]

Just checked their forum accounts:
@Dynadot 2022
@Caleb Tweed - Nov 2024

They stopped doing support on here.

Meanwhile @DynaTodd has been tweeting up a storm (1,024 tweets) since 2023, yet the @Dynadot nP account that Todd posted his nP AMA hasn't posted once on nP since 2022?!

 

[silentg]

I don't expect CEO to do forum support. It's good that they're active on social media and is reachable.

 

[Grilled]

I don't expect CEO to do forum support. It's good that they're active on social media and is reachable.

Not necessarily asking for forum support, but is it too much to ask a serial tweeter to check in on namePros every once in a while?

Wishful thinking, and besides the issue at hand...

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

I let Hydrogen.bot expire (dyna)and I see they have parked page with ads.
A nice present for them would be
50-100 thousand clicks a day. A way of saying thank you.

 

[DN Universal]

My opinion is that the CEO of Dynadot should use his Name Pros account so as to gauge how important this issue is to domain investors. After all, I recently only came aboard and transferred all my names to Dynadot as a result of members here in this forum speaking good things about their support.

 

[Caleb Tweed]

(Posted in Main thread as well)

Apologies for the late response on this, I was on vacation for the past week and a half, but for the future I will check into having someone manage our presence when I'm unavailable.

Regarding the Bodis discussion:
So I completely understand why you may have some anxiety over this, but in short, there has been absolutely no change on the user's end for how the expired domain operates. Dynadot, and almost all other Registrars, monetize expired domains with parking providers. We recently added Bodis as a parking service we use. The only difference that you might see is if you were using Bodis on your domain and it expires, they will send you an email saying the domain is removed from your account. Other parking providers we have used in the past don't have this specific notification, which is why this hasn't come up before. That is completely normal, as the domain DNS is changed when the domain enters from active/registered to expired status. Upon renewal of the domain in the Grace Period, you can continue managing your domain. When the domain is active again, the DNS will revert back to its previous settings, and it should show in your BODIS account again.

We've always been very open about our monetization practices. You can see both the visitors and revenue of expired domains on our expired auctions page, in order to help potential bidders valuate domains.

I do see the point in that other Registrars may be a bit more lenient when exactly the NS stop working and monetization starts, I will discuss with our team how we can address/potentially change that.

Please let me know if you have any other questions, I'm more than happy to address any concerns you might have.

Best,
Caleb

 

[alcy]

(Posted in Main thread as well)

Apologies for the late response on this, I was on vacation for the past week and a half, but for the future I will check into having someone manage our presence when I'm unavailable.

Regarding the Bodis discussion:
So I completely understand why you may have some anxiety over this, but in short, there has been absolutely no change on the user's end for how the expired domain operates. Dynadot, and almost all other Registrars, monetize expired domains with parking providers. We recently added Bodis as a parking service we use. The only difference that you might see is if you were using Bodis on your domain and it expires, they will send you an email saying the domain is removed from your account. Other parking providers we have used in the past don't have this specific notification, which is why this hasn't come up before. That is completely normal, as the domain DNS is changed when the domain enters from active/registered to expired status. Upon renewal of the domain in the Grace Period, you can continue managing your domain. When the domain is active again, the DNS will revert back to its previous settings, and it should show in your BODIS account again.

We've always been very open about our monetization practices. You can see both the visitors and revenue of expired domains on our expired auctions page, in order to help potential bidders valuate domains.

I do see the point in that other Registrars may be a bit more lenient when exactly the NS stop working and monetization starts, I will discuss with our team how we can address/potentially change that.

Please let me know if you have any other questions, I'm more than happy to address any concerns you might have.

Best,
Caleb

bodis says we have to open ticket if we want domain back in our account. who is paying for my time here every time I renew expired name? is it coming from the funds u made parking my shit?

 

[DN Universal]

@Caleb Tweed

I appreciate you responding to this delicate issue that many of us just became aware of. If you could push for some leniency that should smooth things over. Recently I personally saw how a few extra grace period days on expired domain names could benefit domain name owners. I had approximately 80 domain names that was scheduled to expire in November on Wednesday 27th, but the "Black Friday Renewal Sale" did not start til Friday 29th. I was hesitant to wait the 2 extra days for the sale because I did not want my domain names removed from my Dynadot account.