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Labeled as .ca in ccTLD Discussion, started by whitebark, Jul 7, 2008

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  1. DomainRecap

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    Probably another level of security, as without needing the authorzation code, you could effectively "push" any GD domain that isn't locked.
     
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  2. Spex

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    True, but you could theoretically do that with any domain.
     
  3. esdiel

    esdiel Established Member

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    That’s what I was thinking. Apparently they do allow for pushes on .COMs (and probably most other extensions). My friend said that you first push it to sedo’s account and then they push it to the buyers account.
     
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  4. andrewschnarr

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    It is probably a safety backup. A lot of registers I use you can just push domains to accounts without any sort of confirmation. If the user is not registered as a Canadian resident and the domains get pushed then the sale is complete. Well if you spent $10k buying a .ca thinking youll just pass the system to get a premium domain and they check and you are not Canadian... They have the right to seize your domain, which would look poorly on Sedo's behalf. When you transfer a .CA to another registrar you have to go through the process of Canadian residents verification. Just my theory.
     
  5. esdiel

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    It's a sound theory.

    Speaking of people trying to bypass the Canadian presence requirement, did anyone else look up 77.ca on archive.org?

    It looks like it was a Chinese person/company who previously bought it for 8,800 USD (as per GD valuation tool). It makes me wonder if CIRA took it away from them for not meeting the presence requirement:

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  6. rlm

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    Yours? If so, congrats!
     
  7. rlm

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    Its definitely a CIRA rule.
     
  8. nafti

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    There is an Australian race car driver named Will Power. I wonder if he has any Canadian connections? lol
     
  9. nafti

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    On a side note, this .ca thread has seen more action over the past week than me!
     
  10. rlm

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    Yeah, you would think they would be happy to do the push-push from seller->sedo->buyer when acting as escrow on a transaction.
     
  11. esdiel

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    Not mine no :/ but I made a similar sale this month that should have already been reported, according to the date the buyer pulled the trigger... I still haven't officially been paid yet tho... so maybe they don't disclose sales until the entire transaction is complete? It also wasn't mentioned in Sedo's latest "weekly sales report" even though it happened during that week.
     
  12. DomainRecap

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    Faint praise indeed.:xf.grin:
     
  13. rlm

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    It used to be that domains revoked due to RIVs were dropped real time, not through TBR, meaning they would drop any time of day when some CIRA employee got around to it deleting it. I don't know if that has changed, but I HOPE they go through TBR now. Can anyone confirm that??

    Wanna hear a crazy story?

    When CIRA had manual control over when they deleted a RIV domain, they could influence who might be able to re-register it, as obviously knowing the second it drops would be a HUGE advantage to registering it. Whether that insider advantage was ever used for personal gain by CIRA employees, I won't try and guess. I do know absolutely positively 100% that at least one once, CIRA did try to help a registrant re-register a domain as they were deleting it from the registry. And they were right to do so. They were RIV'ing a domain on a technicality due to a complaint from a highly malicious domainer/trademark troll. So the situation was that a domain was registered to a company name, lets say it was ABC Inc. Lets say this corporation was registered provincially in Ontario. They let their Ontario corporate registration lapse by not filing their annual corporate return on time. The malicious piece-of-sh*t dude then registered that same corporation name federally - thus blocking the Ontario corporation from being renewed. CIRA told the domain owner that he must legally prove he was "ABC Inc" before they would give him control of the domain, because this was the standard procedure of a RIV. When he explained why he couldn't, CIRA sympathized, but didn't want to break their standard protocol, so they felt that the simple fix was to simply go through with the RIV, but help the legit guy re-register it with the updated registrant information. Sounds great, right??

    Unfortunately, an unrelated 3rd party had noticed that the domain was in a pending delete status despite it not being expired - thus tipping him off that it might be deleting due to a RIV any moment. The 3rd party was then able to register the domain while CIRA was on the phone with the original registrant saying, OK, quick register it now.... Once CIRA realized it was registered legit by the 3rd party, there was nothing more they could do and didn't want to make a bad situation worse (and more public) by meddling any more. Basically, the legit owner got f*cked hard by CIRA, but they could just say that well, we tried, but we followed protocol.

    So if RIV's do go through TBR, it would keep CIRA's fingers out of sticky situations like that and obviously much fairer. In this case, they were absolutely doing the right thing. But I'm not foolish enough to think that insider information was _never_ used by CIRA employees to scoop up valuable RIV'd domains. Its just human nature. I might have done the same. So, that is why I truly hope that all deleted domains go through TBR now days!!

    I do know that currently, domains are occasionally returned to TBR a week or two after being dropped in TBR. So when a registrant doesn't pay the registrar, or if the registrar doesn't assign a valid contact in time (like if they forgot to), then it goes back into TBR. That has happened several times in the past year that I'm aware of.

    Pool made this mistake several times for me back when they were still in the TBR game. I'd win a domain, but they were notoriously slow at assigning my domains to my Rebel account and I had to bug them through support to do it after each successful registration. And occasionally one would get lost this way. After I caught on that this was occasionally happening, I blew a gasket (because they had charged my credit card yet I hadn't always received the domain). I think it was the domain name Revolver.ca that I first noticed it on, because I was specifically buying it as a gift for a domainer friend that owns the Revolver Coffee shop in Vancouver. So I thought I had won it through pool, then freaked when I saw it back in Pending Delete/TBR status. It went through TBR again 3 weeks later. Luckily I re-caught the domain through another registrar...

    Anyways, there are two good domainer stories for ya today.
     
  14. rlm

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    Yeah, I imagine that they don't report until it is 100% complete. And it probably takes some time to aggregate all the sales and report them periodically to DNJournal first (hopefully, out of respect for Ron and his long time of covering domain sales), then to other places like namebio.
     
  15. nafti

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    @rlm I just got long winded reading all of what you just wrote. lol Great post. :)
     
  16. rlm

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    Haha, yes, I can get on a roll...
     
  17. poing

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    When using account pushes, Sedo normally receives the domains into their own account first and then pushes it into the buyer's account. Since Sedo cannot hold .CA domains, they can't really follow this procedure here.
     
  18. DomainRecap

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    Over 8700 domains and probably the worst TBR list I've ever seen - ~1500 CCC expired losers certainly don't help, but I certainly don't see the need for a Top Picks list this week.
     
  19. DomainRecap

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    So we have exactly 8,999 expired domains on the TBR this week and just couldn't get that one more to hit 9K. I guess Mr CCC decided to renew a couple.
     
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    :xf.grin:
     
  21. esdiel

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    The image below shows the top ten "reported" sales of 2-letter .CA domains.

    Non-reported sales include YP.ca (Yellow Pages), PJ.ca (Pages Jaunes), WW.ca (Weight Watchers). Do you guys know of any other note-worthy examples not mentioned/reported?

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  22. esdiel

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    Here's a screenshot of all reported LL.ca sales, in case it helps:

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  23. nafti

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    I believe some dropped in the TBR the last few years but not sure of prices. Maybe the TBR Guru @rlm would have some details. :)
     
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    Isn’t there a song about that? I got 8,999 problems but a bi$ch ain’t 1???
     
  25. rlm

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    Sorry, while I have the weekly tbr lists going back into 2006, I don't routinely record winning bid prices on auctions I didn't win. Would have been nice if I had...
     

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