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Labeled as .ca in ccTLD Discussion started by whitebark, Jul 7, 2008.

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  1. DomainRecap

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    And on the CIRA's site font, it's indistinguishable.
     
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  2. dancarlson

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    anyone in the DNA kit space?
     
  3. esdiel

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    Not in a commercial sense but I bought DNA kits for myself and most of my family members (as Christmas gifts), including for both of my grandmothers last xmas (i.e. while they are still alive). I then linked/connected all of our accounts to get even more precise results. I went with 23andme, which provides both ancestry reports and health reports (way better than Ancestry imo).

    It's a huge (and growing) business so I would hang onto your DNAKit.ca, or at least not let it go for cheap. It might only be a matter of time before DNA testing becomes mandatory to save on health care cost. Just a theory, which might scare many, but it sort of makes sense if you live in a country where health care is free.
     
  4. dancarlson

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    Thanx esdiel,

    Im looking to get my domain list down a bit to build up some other properties. I have already reached out to all the big DNA players and crickets. so just looking to see if anyone is making money as an affiliate, or who may be interested in the name.
     
  5. SteamTrending

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    anyone use ca domains from outside off Canada?
     
  6. DomainRecap

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    Some Californian companies do (because of the .CA), but it's not really allowed if you have no presence in Canada.
     
  7. esdiel

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    Anyone here try to get Luz.ca a few TBRs ago? Or does anyone know if it went to auction and/or how much it sold for?
     
  8. MapleDots

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    .can would double in price if we opened it up for California.
     
  9. SteamTrending

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    I see that i thought :)
     
  10. esdiel

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    I was asking about LUZ.ca because whois shows it's currently in the name of a Danny Hunter, which is a MYID.ca executive I believe. Hence why I am curious to know if it went to auction.

    I also noticed the domain was already listed on Godaddy's auction marketplace, with 11 bids. In other words, the previous owner already had 11 bids on this domain when it expired and went to TBR.
     
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  11. esdiel

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    Has cira ever come close to removing the the Canadian presence requirement? Have they ever seriously entertained the idea over the years?
     
  12. dtagr

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    To my knowledge they have never considered it...sadly. Protectionism breeds laziness, entitlement and stifles innovation.
     
  13. rlm

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    Well, as much as I like to dislike things CIRA does and will likely continue to do, I'm a little conflicted on this. I feel like they were mandated to run and protect .CA for Canadians, so when they do that, its hard to argue against them doing what they were mandated to do. It's when they do a poor job of that, or worse yet, venture off and do other things like competing against .CA, or starting projects not directly related to .CA domain management, that it annoys me.

    So I don't think they will ever consider opening up .CA. And I don't think that stance is as evil as some make it out to be., On the contrary, I would argue that it would be easy for CIRA to open things up and try and cash in for themselves. The more money they make, they more they can spend without it raising too many red flags. They could be traveling on our money to promote .CA around the world. Basically its more paid vacations for all the CIRA execs and staff that they are passing up by not opening .CA.

    Personally, on one hand, in principle I like the concept of the Canadian Presence requirement. I think it does help strengthen the meaning of .CA. It's the one thing online that helps separate us from the U.S., and although our economies are closely linked, I still think it is a good thing having the .CA as a distinction.

    But on the other hand, yeah, opening it up would be certainly be financially beneficial to me.

    But what is good for domainers isn't necessarily good for .CA.
     
  14. DomainRecap

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    I think the CIRA needs to keep the Canadian requirement for private citizens, but I think they need to open it to companies who do business in Canada, but may not necessarily have a physical location here.
     
  15. dtagr

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    I'm pretty sure you are right about the mandate. It is the federal government that sets the rules for CIRA in that regard.

    There's no question that it would benefit me financially and TBH that's mostly where I'm coming from. But what other asset class can't be bought by anyone? We're swamped in foreign real estate ownership in Vancouver and Toronto, even becoming entrenched in the Okanagan. Suggest a ban and you're a racist in the eyes of many. But domain names? Suggest it should be opened up and the response is that's just not good for Canada - despite all the evidence to the contrary. Many owners have ridden that wave of foreign buyers and will be passing on small fortunes to their kids.

    In my younger years I was a prospector/placer miner. About a dozen years ago BC moved to an online claim staking process. The entire province was staked in under 15 minutes and mostly by European mining corps. Now there is more money to be made staking and selling the claims (like domains, they expire annually) than there is in the actual mining.

    Does anyone know if there's any foreign ownership in the resource sector?:xf.grin:

    I'll never understand why domain names are so special.

    Stunted growth and poor returns are the legacy of protectionism.
     
  16. dtagr

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    I think they should open it up completely. I can compete with the world.
     
  17. DomainRecap

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    They'll never do that, as then the .CA would be useless to Canadian businesses, and any Tom, Dick or Harry in the world could own one. That will never happen under the current mandate.

    My idea is evolving it slightly to "companies doing business in Canada", similar to the way other ccTLDs (like .US and .UK) work.
     
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  18. rlm

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    I'm not sure that I believe it is that hard for companies doing business in Canada to have the minimal presence required as it is. I believe a simple trademark in Canada gives them that presence. What is it, a $330 filing fee, and its good for 10 years?

    And if they made it any easier, it wouldn't be controllable. Its so easy for _anyone_ to simply claim they're doing business in Canada - would just one transaction of any size with a Canadian business or person be enough to justify that?

    I agree with everything you just said, the points made are accurate, but despite the fact that they have happened in other industries, I'm not sure that its a good thing.

    With regards to domain names specifically, opening it up beyond Canada's borders means a potential flood of speculators. But I don't see that really resulting in any of these unused domains being developed and put to use rather than speculators like us simply sitting on them. If anything, we've just raised the barrier for entry (cost of a good domain) with no value added.

    So say they open it up. The vast majority of initial interest will be foreign domain speculators. Assume a Canadian domainer now gets a foreign speculator with deeper pockets going through their inventory. So lets say they cherry pick 100 domains for $1K each. Now instead of the end user price being $2K each, now the new end user price is more like $10K to reflect their much higher investment than the original $15. And its still the same undeveloped domain - no value added, just a big increase in price. If businesses weren't interested at $2K, they're not going to be interested at $10K. So I don't necessarily see that as a good result to the ultimate goal, which in my mind is to increase popularity of .CA domains and seeing these domains we're sitting on be developed and put into more meaningful use.

    Maybe we should lobby CIRA to promote specifically to foreign businesses wishing to do business in Canada with a .CA domain, and how to go about it, making it clear what the steps and costs involved are to meet the presence requirement? As resellers, we could always point foreign buyers to that resource to reassure them its legit and that its not difficult to do.
     
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    Speaking of seeing our domains get developed, this might be interesting. Anyone have any past domain sales that are now operated by a big company that they'd like to share? I always kinda like seeing my old domain names flash on the TV screen or in print or whatever. It's kinda like being proud of your children :)
     
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    Nothing large to report, but I'm outbounding tonight. I have a new strategy and I think 2020 will be very good to me.
     
  21. rlm

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    Awesome, good luck, I hope 2020 is not just very good, but great for you!
     
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    I suppose I should've started it off. The majority of Canada has probably been in the store or at the least, walked right by one. TheSource.ca.
     
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    Very nice!!
     
  24. DomainRecap

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    Good luck, and I think (after getting 2 more lowballs this morning) my strategy is to add satisfactory BINs to a portion of my listings (the ones with some interest and traffic) and see how that goes. If they don't sell, at least I won't get the same lowballers filling up my inbox.

    And places like Sedo and Afternic require a counter-offer before you can refuse the initial lowball, which is idiotic as these jokers always let the counter sit there for the X days allowed (usually 7-10 days), taking your listing offline and unable to be sold to anyone else.

    I remember Domain Shane was complaining about this, as he gets the same lowballers hitting his Afternic/GD listings over and over, then jacking him with the "7-day delay".
     
  25. DomainRecap

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    Hey, who wants to win a..

    JUNO.CA
     

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