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----- Original Message -----
From: "Opera Solutions" <
[email protected]>
To: "Oliver Börner - Last Minute Media Solutions Ltd."
<
[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: aloevera21.info and the rest of the package
> Sedo is a good broker. Unfortunately , Sedo is not acceptable as an
> appraiser because your names are listed with them and they are not
> independent. They are interested in earning 10% commission on every sale.
> I
> need appraisals from a company which is not interested in
> selling your domains.
>
> I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
> cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
> appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Oliver Börner - Last Minute Media Solutions Ltd."
> <
[email protected]>
> To: "Opera Solutions" <
[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: aloevera21.info and the rest of the package
>
>
>> Hello again Mr. Herosuki,
>>
>> I understand your doubts and that you want your investment in safe hands.
> So
>> please tell us, which company you trust, because we trusted sedo till now
>> and in the Thread you proposed the part with sedo didn't exist at all.
>>
>> On the german website of sedo is written:
>> "Eine individuelle Schätzung des Wertes Ihrer Domain von unseren
>> Bewertungs-Experten."
>> This means: an individual appraisal of the value of your domain by our
>> appraisal experts.
>>
>> The english version can be found here:
>>
http://www.sedo.co.uk/appraisal.php3?tracked=&partnerid=&language=e
>>
>> Even on the french page of sedo is written:
>>
>> Nos experts analysent les différents critères qui permettent d'évaluer la
>> valeur marchande du nom de domaine de votre choix.
>>
>> Une expertise personnalisée du nom de domaine par nos experts.
>>
>>
>> This is the same statement as on the german and english version. Monday I
>> will give sedo a call and ask them, if their appraisals are still made by
>> human experts or (as you say) by scripts (auto generated). Even though I
>> don't confirm that you can rate the quality of a service by it's price.
> We,
>> for example, act as advertising agency, too and are not really expensive
>> even if we offer a good quality.
>>
>> But ok - we want a fair deal - if you don't trust sedo, please propose an
>> appraisal-company you trust and we will consult them.
>>
>> Best wishes and kind regards
>>
>> Oliver Boerner
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Opera Solutions" <
[email protected]>
>> To: "Oliver Börner - Last Minute Media Solutions Ltd."
>> <
[email protected]>
>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: aloevera21.info and the rest of the package
>>
>>
>> >I need a proof that our price is fair. I hope you understand the
>> > importance of this question.
>> >
>> > Usually, people who are selling names or web sites, provide buyers with
>> > appraisals. This is a common practice and I'm not going to change this
>> > rule
>> > because it's the best way to protect an investment.
>> >
>> > I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
>> > cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
>> > appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.
>> >
>> > Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one
>> > reply:
>> > "Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers
>> > are
>> > using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal
>> > services.
>> > But
>> > if their customers would have something in their heads they'd
>> > understand
>> > experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These
>> > appraisals
>> > are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
>> >
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer
>> > cheap
>> > auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $60-$65 are
> not
>> > manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
>> > auto-generated appraisals."
>> >
>> > The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual.
> They
>> > are just collecting money using their well-known names.
>> >
>> > Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with
> you.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Oliver Börner - Last Minute Media Solutions Ltd."
>> > <
[email protected]>
>> > To: "Opera Solutions" <
[email protected]>
>> > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: aloevera21.info and the rest of the package
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello again Mr. Masafumi Herosuki,
>> >>
>> >> I spoke with the second Managing Director of the Last Minute Media
>> > Solutions
>> >> Ltd. and he made a good proposition:
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you let make a appraisal certificate by an enterprise of
>> >> your
>> >> choise and we make it with one of our choise. We would prefer the
> german
>> >> enterprise sedo, where we actually offer most of our domains. It's
>> >> made
>> >> by
>> >> humans and not robots/mashines/scripts, that have a lot of experience
> and
>> >> make fair and good appraisals. Wen you received your result we can
>> >> compare
>> >> the appraisals and meet in the middle. The we can also talk about the
>> >> 10 -
>> >> 15%.
>> >>
>> >> Concerning your question: We offer just the name, if you need a
>> >> website
>> >> we
>> >> have a good partner for you to develop it for you - for a fair price.
> But
>> > we
>> >> can well imagine that you have good contacts, too.
>> >>
>> >> However there are some other people interested in some of the domains
> we
>> >> offer right now and we would be happy if you could make your offer
>> >> officially on the website of
www.sedo.de (I guess you found our offer
>> > there,
>> >> too)
>> >>
>> >> But before you do that, we await your appraisal result with
>> >> certificate
>> >> as
>> >> we are going to send you our appraisal result. Right now we are at the
>> >> formula1 at the nuerburg-ring - grand prix of europe - and we are
>> >> going
>> >> to
>> >> order the appraisel certificate from sedo on monday.
>> >>
>> >> With kind regards and the best wishes for a nice weekend
>> >>
>> >> Oliver Boerner
>> >> Managing Director
>> >> Last Minute Media Solutions Ltd.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Opera Solutions" <
[email protected]>
>> >> To: "Oliver Börner" <
[email protected]>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:09 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: aloevera21.info (sent 05/04/06)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > xx.xxx euro for the package. Ok.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you sell a web site or just the name? We are mostly interested in
>> >> > domain
>> >> > names.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you have an appraisal certificate?
>> >> >
>> >> > Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to
>> >> > sell
>> > your
>> >> > name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a
>> >> > profit
>> >> > in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the
>> >> > current
>> >> > market
>> >> > value of your domain.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable
> appraisal
>> >> > company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate
>> >> > appraisals.
>> >> > I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I know and
>> >> > trust.
>> >> >
>> >> > To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
>> >> > companies
>> >> > in a forum
>> >> >
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/74052.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Juck check this posting.
>> >> >
>> >> > If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price
>> >> > accordingly.
>> >> > I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised
> value.
>> >> >
>> >> > After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.
>> >> >
>> >> > How do you prefer to get paid:
www.escrow.com,
www.PayPal.com check
> or
>> >> > wire?
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
>> >> >
>> >> > Looking forward to your reply.
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Oliver Börner" <
[email protected]>
>> >> > To: "Opera Solutions" <
[email protected]>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:33 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: aloevera21.info (sent 05/04/06)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hello Mr. Masafumi Herosuki
>> >> >>
>> >> >> actually we offer our aloevera21-Domains at Sedo. We thought about
>> >> >> selling
>> >> >> the domains as a bundle. We actually own aloevera21. eu / .com /
> .info
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> .de
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you just want to buy the Top Level info-domain, we could imagine
> a
>> >> > price
>> >> >> of x.xxx €, the complete package will cost xx.xxx €.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you are interested, please make an offer at sedo, because the
>> > complete
>> >> >> transfer will be made there. When we get your offer, we will
>> >> >> discuss
>> >> >> it
>> >> > with
>> >> >> our shareholders and decide dependant on the other two offers from
>> > Russia
>> >> >> and the United States.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However, you should know that these domains are domains for the
> future
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> our price (till now) is just a minimum of the amount they are
>> >> >> really
>> >> > worth.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We will be absent till Monday, so you have enough time to think
> about
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> offer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> With kind regards
>> >> >> Oliver Börner
>> >> >> Fachinformatiker der Anwendungsentwicklung
>> >> >> Managing Director, Last Minute Media Solutions Ltd.
>> >> >> Wickeder Hellweg 159
>> >> >> 44319 Dortmund
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tel: 02 31 · 92 73 753
>> >> >> Fax: 02 31 · 53 42 973
>> >> >> mobil: 01 72 · 99 18 782
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Internet:
http://www.wm-nightlife.com
>> >> >> Email:
[email protected]
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Opera Solutions" <
[email protected]>
>> >> >> To: <
[email protected]>
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:45 AM
>> >> >> Subject: aloevera21.info (sent 05/04/06)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hello,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Please send me price for your domain.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We are very interested in this name.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Did you get offers from other people already?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Our company develops client-server systems (Delphi / Interbase),
> so
>> >> >> investing in domain names is not my main business.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Looking forward to do business with you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Best regards,
>> >> >> > Masafumi Herosuki, Ph. D.
>> >> >> > President
>> >> >> > Opera Solutions Ltd.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
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