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DAN.COM Domain Marketplace (Official Thread)

Located in Domain Marketplace Reviews, started by Reza, Aug 7, 2019

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  1. tldboss

    tldboss Top Contributor VIP

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    Reputation is all we have here.

    You cannot accuse me of something I didnt do. I don't see the point of selling something I don't own.

    It is irresponsible to accuse people without facts. I was trying to help thus all.

    MODs please review
     
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  2. tonyk2000

    tonyk2000 Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    So, DAN should have instantly removed this listing as soon as this domain dropped. Generally speaking, any domain can and should be removed from any marketplace as soon (and if) it becomes PendingDelete. Pending Delete domains, unlike Redemption Period domains, cannot be restored by their owners!
    @LaszloSchenk - can such a check be implemented on your end?

    Edited: Dan does not even need to run mass whois queries to implement this. New daily Pending Delete lists (at least for .com / .net / .org) are distributed by Registries to their registrars, and can be downloaded from lets say snapnames or dropcatch. Or Dan can establish an api or otherwise automate the daily pendingdelete lists retreival process from any friendly icann-accredited registrar who would be willing to help!
     
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  3. carob

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    Sedo do essentially this - they send you an email telling you that domain will be deleted from your account as that time approaches.

    So Sedo do monitor them - at some point they introduced this auto- feature, before that unregistered domains remained listed at Sedo and more than one domainer had someone buy a domain that was not registered any more, so they hastily went out and registered it and handed it over to the buyer.
     
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  4. carob

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    I see the wording of the sales publication privacy setting has updated to the following, and if you had previously opted for privacy there, I suggest you check that your setting was retained - the update may have changed default settings, I was suprised to find a new setting there:
    A few questions here:

    What are the third parties
    ?

    As asked before, at what point is a domain considered sold? Buyer clicks buy, or payment received etc?
    Because many are complaining of non-completing buyers. If others have been considering buying a domain, they may see SOLD if you are publishing a sale to the landing page and to dan.com/buy-domain/example.com, and Dan.comfront page, and blockchain, and third parties. When the sale does not complete, they have no way of knowing that - so may never come back.

    What about buyer privacy? Do buyers know sales will be published?

    Do you agree that publish means "make public"? Dan.com saying anywhere that a domain is sold for most people using the word "publish2 in the normal way, that means you are publishing this info, regardless of whether you call that a landing page, archive, footnote, whatever.

    Sedo do not publish sales till transfer and payment are complete. And either buyer or seller may keep the transaction completely private at no cost. (On brokerage-only transactions Sedo's ToS let them charge a buyer a small % to keep the transaction private. Sedo state that 80% of their transactions are private.)

    I like Dan.com and its features and innovations - that is why I would like to see this aspect clarified and improved - if others can control buyer/seller privacy in a clear and consistent way, Dan.com can too.
     
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  5. alcy

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    most markets even best of them like gd do not remove deleted names.
    aftrnic sedo do it just now and then and definitely not 100%.

    so while itd be nice if all markets including dan do it... we really shouldnt be suprised dan does not. this is why dan and others have those txt records to check etc,
     
  6. tonyk2000

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    Checking TXT records or something similar DNS-related is a must for any new domains the seller is trying to add imo. Which is now required by godaddy auctions, and by sedo. Not by DAN... Actually, the second part (removing expired/deleted domains) is as important as correctly adding the domains initially. I'd expect any marketplace to perform both tasks :)

    And, actually... Listing should be a privilege. Sort of. Any listing on a respected and serious marketplace. In this aspect, some marketplace should finally end up the following.

    - require DNS servers to be pointed to them

    - If the seller does use own DNS, or is using another DNS - then a specific verification DNS TXT records MUST be there in all relevant times. No TXT record in DNS - and the domain pointing elswhere - then the marketplace should instantly remove such a listing. Simialr to google webmaster dashboard - a webmaster needs to confirm the website control, and he should not remove the code (dns, html, whatever) to continue to use the service. This, and only this, would allow to operate a clean marketplace.

    Some marketplace should be the 1st to start operating in such a strict mode.
     
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  7. Jurgen Wolf

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    @LaszloSchenk
    Do you warn the US buyers that AMEX is NOT accepted?
     
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  8. LaszloSchenk

    LaszloSchenk Upgraded Member Dan.com Staff Blue Account

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    Good morning @tonyk2000,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    The request already was made and listed with our product team. In order to ensure you already have a solution to this, we have created the ownership verification nameserver which ensures you as a seller can already port the domain to the rightful account. I will let you know in case any new developments take place regarding this.

    Have a great week.
     
  9. LaszloSchenk

    LaszloSchenk Upgraded Member Dan.com Staff Blue Account

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    Dear @carob,

    3rd parties could be Namepros for example. The description has been made generic as it could involve any useful 3rd party. In addition, unless a payment is made the page will display "pending sales". In addition, in terms of privacy, everything remained the same. The only change we have made was given you the option to exclude sales from being posted in the DAN explorer and the home page. In addition, we will refrain from making any posts on Namebio for example until a solution is built for buyers to consent or decline to have their purchase published.

    Have a great week.
     
  10. LaszloSchenk

    LaszloSchenk Upgraded Member Dan.com Staff Blue Account

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    Good morning @Jurgen Wolf,

    We simply mention what payment methods are accepted. We do not actively mention what methods are not accepted unless it is asked for.

    Have a great week.
     
  11. Jurgen Wolf

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    Please mention that AMEX cards are not allowed.
    This issue is very common.
     
  12. tonyk2000

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    I have recently opened DAN account just to automate the process of routine domain ownership conflict resolution. Even if my (new) domain is not for sale at all, or not for sale via DAN - naturally, I have no interest to see outdated listings of my domains on various marketplaces... It does not mean that I will never want to sell anything on Dan, to the contrary - DAN system appears to be established and advanced... so, even though I am already set with the sales processing, the time will tell :)

    I have previously (successfully) resolved ownership conflicts by contacting DAN, incorrect listing were indeed deleted, no issues - except that it is all manual.

    To my surprise, I found that an extra nameserver is the only method for automated ownership conflict processing, and I am also supposed to use dan regular nameservers together with 1 extra nameserver. So, if I host the conflicting domain elsewhere - am I required to stop doing so, and point dns to DAN, delivering visitors to another domainer in the meantime, and messing up with search engines as they may see and index something that is not supposed to be on my domain? Does not seem to be too logical.... And, in any case, how fast is this method? Will the system check DNS for a conflicting domain immediately? Or once each 24 hours? Or..?

    What about other automated DNS - related methods, such as custom txt record, or custom/random CNAME record? Please just check the website ownership verification methods suggested by google webmaster console... A good example. They have something for all!

    And, a second question. Dan blockchain. How exactly does it benefit me as a seller? How exactly does it benefit my buyers? And, in case if there are no clear benefits to either party - what is it for? Also, what if the buyer does not want his purchase to be trackable?
     
  13. golan

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    The buyer clearly doesn't want to waste his time for offers. Otherwise he would not disable "make offer" option.

    What is your problem, dude?
     
  14. LaszloSchenk

    LaszloSchenk Upgraded Member Dan.com Staff Blue Account

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    Good morning @tonyk2000,

    Thank you for your feedback and inquiries.

    We already have the alternate verification solutions listed with our product team. In the future, we most certainly will provide other and perhaps more accessible solutions to verify domain ownership. For your information, once the nameservers have been added a seller can perform a bulk import to instantly have the domain moved to their portfolio.

    Regarding the blockchain, there are multiple benefits of us using blockchain. Please find all desired benefits here: https://www.ibm.com/case-studies/dan-com

    If you do not want to have this published and your sales excluded from the home page you can always use our new Sales Privacy setting.

    Have a great day.
     
  15. legendarynames

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    @LaszloSchenk

    How about having a separate DAN Annoucements thread where only you guys post? I find it hard sometimes to keep up with what's going on at DAN, and this discussion thread, albeit an important source of information and sharing of ideas, is often polluted with nonsensical discussions and ramblings like the guy who wants his lowball offer to go through no matter what.

    I know you guys have a blog and a Twitter (and what else?) but the community mostly hangs in here, and for routine communications and other small improvements/fixes that interest mostly to domainers, I think this would be a better format.
     
  16. tonyk2000

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    Indeed. I already found this :) It was a great pleasure (well, if fixing somebodys laziness can be a pleasure) just to: 1) determine an existence of ownership conflict - routine search task 2) change dns 3) add domain in question to my new dan account, it worked instantly 4) delete the domain from my account, as it is simply not for sale at this time - fresh acquisition 5) change the dns back !
     
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  17. DNGear

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    DAN, is it slow for all or for some users? For me its dry.
    There are only bots all the time in GA from Hemet, Chicago, Boardman.
    Since 15 days 75% traffic is from only these 3 cities.
     
  18. alcy

    alcy Top Contributor VIP

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    for landers right?
    i dont see why lander trafic to dan would be diff from any other lander. it is in fact.. identical :)
     
  19. alcy

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    @LaszloSchenk
    can u plz explain in some detail what buyer gets as email text for:
    - add lead as transaction
    - add lead as negotiation

    differences, etc. ty.
     
  20. .X.

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    I pop in here every so often to give a shout out to Laszlo and brag on @DAN.COM

    Thanks as always for the best experience in domain name aftermarket selling @DAN.COM !!!!!

    You guys always ROCK!!!!!!!!

    G8C.com sale.png

    One i just sold at DAN , Only having to pay a 9% vat + the customer service and super fast payment is what makes DAN stand out from the rest.
     
  21. LaszloSchenk

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    Good morning @legendarynames,

    Thank you for the suggestion and I think it is a great idea. I will relay this to our team and see what we can come up with.

    Have a great day.
     
  22. LaszloSchenk

    LaszloSchenk Upgraded Member Dan.com Staff Blue Account

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    Good morning @alcy,

    As such buyer/lead gets multiple emails the thread would become too long. I strongly recommend you import yourself as a lead and a transaction to see the differences between the emails sent.

    Best regards,
     
  23. td11

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    It is working now. Thanks Dan.

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  24. alcy

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    sorry @LaszloSchenk but im stil unclear why it is exactly u charge extra 4% for paypal payouts over 2k? can u please clarify this policy for me. is it because of the risk of payment from buyer or the risk of payout to seller? which risk is that exactly and how is this risked bypassed by the 4%? is it different payment type then that cannot be charged back or something? really confused
    ty
     
  25. LaszloSchenk

    LaszloSchenk Upgraded Member Dan.com Staff Blue Account

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    Good morning @alcy,

    The 4% increase in commission is because the cost would become too high for us. As you know we always aim to incur as many payout costs as possible. However, a $2000 payout is the threshold at which the cost would become too high. It, therefore, is no longer feasible for us to process it.

    Have a great week.
     

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