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Covid19-Coronavirus updates and news

Labeled as news in The Break Room, started by Mister Funsky, Feb 22, 2020

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    India’s low hygiene gives it more immunity against virus, helps in Covid fight — CSIR study

    In a pre-print paper, CSIR talks about better 'immune training' among Indians that may be the reason why the country has lower Covid cases and deaths per million than global average.

    The study, which has not been peer-reviewed, says that high parasite and bacterial disease burden in “low and low-middle income countries” and a chronic exposure to communicable diseases lead to “immune training” among populations.


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.31.20165696v2.full
     
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  2. Sutruk

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    Totally agree. Childs must be exposed to germs in order to "train" their immune system.
    Immune system is like an arsenal that must "attack" and be exposed to germs, in order to gain "memory".
    Immune system is a very powerful response developed through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. And if from overnight, you "cut" the germ exposure and training of the immune system, this "body arsenal" will attack whatever it finds, because it is what it has done through thousands of years, and in the absence of external germs, it will attack its own body, that is what happens with auto-immune diseases.
     
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  4. Sutruk

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    The following is a very interesting article to read, if you want to learn about immune system and how it works.
    Dropping antibody counts aren’t a sign that our immune system is failing against the coronavirus.

    Scared That Covid-19 Immunity Won’t Last? Don’t Be

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/opinion/coronavirus-antibodies-immunity.html

    "Dropping antibody counts aren’t a sign that our immune system is failing against the coronavirus, nor an omen that we can’t develop a viable vaccine.


    That antibodies decrease once an infection recedes isn’t a sign that they are failing: It’s a normal step in the usual course of an immune response.

    A vaccine works by mimicking a natural infection, generating memory T and B cells that can then provide long-lasting protection in the people who are vaccinated".
     
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    Melbourne's hard lock-down finally ends
    After hundreds of deaths in the second COVID-19 wave, Melbourne Australia has ended its 111-day hard lockdown.

    Woohoo!


    Melbourne's hard COVID-19 lockdown ends as city moves into third step of roadmap

    Melbourne is enjoying its first day out of hard lockdown, although a number of measures designed to limit the spread of coronavirus are still in place.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10...ews-melbourne-first-day-out-lockdown/12819570



    Victoria [Australia] and only a handful of countries have achieved zero from second wave

    Victoria’s stunning defeat of the second wave puts it in rare company with only a handful on nations.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/vi...e/news-story/14d4493c421faa509ac017f0ed929234



    White House coronavirus advisor Anthony Fauci praises Victorian attitude to mask wearing
    Top White House coronavirus adviser Anthony Fauci has praised Victoria's attitude towards mask-wearing, saying it has been "painful" to see the issue become politicised in the United States."I really wish that we could transplant that kind of mentality here, because masks in the United States have almost become a political statement."

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10...anthony-fauci-praises-victoria-masks/12823856
     
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  6. Mister Funsky

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    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 8:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,173,782
    United States: 232,101
    Brazil: 157,981
    South Africa: 19,053
    United Kingdom: 45,365
    Canada: 10,001
    Mexico: 89,814
    Russia: 26,935
    India: 120,054
    Bolivia: 8,672
    Japan : 1,725
    Indonesia: 13,612
    Italy: 37,700
    Spain: 35,298
    Belgium: 11,038
    France: 35,541
    Netherlands: 7,142
    Chile: 14,026
    Philippines: 7,114
     
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    Some Covid Survivors Have Antibodies That Attack the Body, not Virus

    Some survivors of Covid-19 carry worrying signs that their immune system has turned on the body, reminiscent of potentially debilitating diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, a new study has found.

    This misguided immune response may exacerbate severe Covid-19. It may also explain why so-called “long haulers” have lingering problems months after their initial illness has resolved and the virus is gone from their bodies.

    The findings carry important implications for treatment: Using existing tests that can detect autoantibodies, doctors could identify patients who might benefit from treatments used for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. There is no cure for these diseases, but some treatments decrease the frequency and severity of flare-ups.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20216192v1.full
     
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  8. J Sokol

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    Interesting findings, especially this:

    One of the manifestations of better hygiene and safe sanitation practices in high GDP countries is the increased incidence in autoimmune disorders. It has been postulated that better hygiene practices could lower a person’s immunity and make the person susceptible to autoimmune diseases. We therefore tested if any of the autoimmune diseases showed an association with the LDM (log of deaths per million) variable. We interestingly find a strong positive correlation with Multiple Sclerosis, Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus, Rheumatoid Arthritis and Psoriasis and a weaker correlation with Asthma.
     
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    Too much hygiene is not a good thing!
     
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    Nor is too little -- the trick is to find a healthy balance.
     
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    Coronavirus: Macron declares second national lockdown in France

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54716993

    French President Emmanuel Macron has announced a second national lockdown for at least the whole of November.

    "Mr Macron said under the new measures, starting on Friday, people would only be allowed to leave home for essential work or medical reasons.

    Non-essential businesses, such as restaurants and bars, will close, but schools and factories will remain open.

    Covid daily deaths in France are at the highest level since April. On Tuesday, 33,000 new cases were confirmed.

    Mr Macron said the country risked being "overwhelmed by a second wave that no doubt will be harder than the first".


    Germany to close bars, restaurants in new lockdown

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1028/1174326-coronavirus-global/

    "Germany will close all bars and restaurants during a partial nationwide lockdown due to begin on 2 November.

    Hospitality venues will remain shut until 30 November, sources told Reuters.

    Shops will be allowed to remain open under the condition of one person per 10 square metres to respect social distancing."
     
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    A really good study on the spread of Covid under indoor conditions. Masks do help, but still people need to be aware.

    A room, a bar and a class: how the coronavirus is spread through the air

    The risk of contagion is highest in indoor spaces but can be reduced by applying all available measures to combat infection via aerosols. Here is an overview of the likelihood of infection in three everyday scenarios, based on the safety measures used and the length of exposure.
     
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    You think this is a good thing?
    it's like saying being the most obese country more immune,

    Even if it's true; after OperationWarpSpeed's success; Vaccine dashes virus hopes and dreams; there'll be no more silver linings to poor hygiene. I know culture is a big part of it;

    Japan and or Chin awore maskspart of culture before became thing...
     
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    Poor hygiene is NOT a good thing. It leads to lot of deaths, especially among infants. Has social costs also.

    But an interesting study. Another theory proposed early during outbreak was that BCG vaccination provides immunity. I am yet to see definitive studies on that.
     
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    The key is letting the kids play on the park, with friends, and getting dirty with mud, sand... play and get dirty on nature, play on the mountain, etc. A too protective environment, like parents keeping kids always at home, and keeping home clean as a whistle, will prevent the kid's immune system to be developed and trained, and can lead to develop autoimmune diseases later.

    Exposure to germs helps build immunity in kids

    https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lif...re-to-germs-helps-build-immunity-in-kids.html

    "Exposure to germs builds immunity, and works in the same way as vaccines, which expose kids to a small amount of germs so that when the real infection strikes, the body fights it better.

    Have you ever stopped your kids from getting their hands dirty with mud or sand? If so, you may want to rethink your stand as many medical experts now believe that playing with mud is a great way to strengthen your child’s immunity. In fact, doctors and scientists believe that allergies and asthma are higher in wealthy countries due to lack of exposure to bacteria and other microorganisms — a fact backed by several studies."


    Could Getting Dirty and Being Exposed to Germs Boost Your Health?

    https://health.usnews.com/wellness/...s-could-more-dirt-and-germs-boost-your-health

    "It's commonplace today for people to clean their hands with antibacterial or antimicrobial soap, spray their bathrooms and kitchens with bleach and other sanitizers and wash their dishes and clothes at "germ-killing" settings. No doubt, it's an effective weapon for keeping germs at bay.

    But that doesn't mean we should aim to have our families, including kids whose immune systems are still developing, avoid all germs – if there were even a way to do that. That's because a growing body of research is showing that microbes – microscopic organisms such as bacteria, fungi and viruses – and dirt are crucial for our well-being. Research indicates that early exposures to a variety of microbes may help lower the risk of developing conditions like asthma and allergies"

    Early exposure to germs has lasting benefits

    https://www.nature.com/news/early-exposure-to-germs-has-lasting-benefits-1.10294

    Exposure to germs in childhood is thought to help strengthen the immune system and protect children from developing allergies and asthma
    , but the pathways by which this occurs have been unclear. Now, researchers have identified a mechanism in mice that may explain the role of exposure to microbes in the development of asthma and ulcerative colitis, a common form of inflammatory bowel disease.

    In a study published online today in Science1, the researchers show that in mice, exposure to microbes in early life can reduce the body’s inventory of invariant natural killer T (iNKT) cells, which help to fight infection but can also turn on the body, causing a range of disorders such as asthma or inflammatory bowel disease."
     
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    @Sutruk

    Normally kids develop the immunity as they play outside, on streets, and school grounds. Plenty of exposure to germs. I guess this happens irrespective of country.

    But, There are a lot of places were poor hygiene is EXTREME. Like people living in shanties alongside open sewers and garbage dumps. Those are serious health hazards. And a serious issue in lot of developing countries.

    Like the slums portrayed in movies Trash, Slumdog millionaire etc.
     
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    Of course, poor hygiene is never good. The key is to have a good hygiene but also be in contact with a few germs. A lack of germ contact leads to future autoimmune diseases, that are really devastating for the person, as it's your own immune system who attacks your own body. That's the reason why, usually on developed countries, autoimmune diseases have increased a lot on the last decades.

    The immune system is like an armory, a powerful arsenal of the body, made to fight germs, yes or yes.
    Because that's what has happened during thousands of years of evolution, always, kids have been in contact with germs and autoimmune system has responded.
    If from overnight you cut the germ contact of a kid, the immune system has to find an enemy, as it is what it has done during thousands of years. And it will find it on its own body. Autoimmune diseases are the worst for this reason.
    In fact, with covid-19 the cytokine storm that totally inflames and collapses the lungs, is just that, a strong and devastating autoimmune response of your own body.
     
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    We went through two waves of toilet paper frenzy in Australia.

    I saw a neighbour pull up with a trailer and his car stacked with the stuff. People were filmed fighting over it in supermarkets, and charged by the police for various offences.

    How much toilet paper do people actually need?
     
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    How come people don't switch to the much better way to wash?
     
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    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 8:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,180,914
    United States: 233,137
    Brazil: 158,468
    South Africa: 19,111
    United Kingdom: 45,675
    Canada: 10,032
    Mexico: 90,309
    Russia: 27,301
    India: 120,583
    Bolivia: 8,694
    Japan : 1,730
    Indonesia: 13,701
    Italy: 37,905
    Spain: 35,466
    Belgium: 11,170
    France: 35,785
    Netherlands: 7,202
    Chile: 14,032
    Philippines: 7,147
     
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    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 8:00 am EST (this morning--hurricane took out net) are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,188,262
    United States: 234,218
    Brazil: 159,033
    South Africa: 19,164
    United Kingdom: 45,955
    Canada: 10,074
    Mexico: 90,773
    Russia: 27,656
    India: 121,144
    Bolivia: 8,705
    Japan : 1,733
    Indonesia: 13,782
    Italy: 38,122
    Spain: 35,639
    Belgium: 11,308
    France: 36,020
    Netherlands: 7,258
    Chile: 14,118
    Philippines: 7,185
     
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    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 10:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,195,929
    United States: 235,254
    Brazil: 159,562
    South Africa: 19,230
    United Kingdom: 46,229
    Canada: 10,110
    Mexico: 91,289
    Russia: 27,990
    India: 121,726
    Bolivia: 8,715
    Japan : 1,744
    Indonesia: 13,869
    Italy: 38,321
    Spain: 35,878
    Belgium: 11,452 (20,000 new cases in 24 hours)
    France: 36,565
    Netherlands: 7,395
    Chile: 14,158
    Philippines: 7,221
     
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