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Covid19-Coronavirus updates and news

Labeled as news in The Break Room, started by Mister Funsky, Feb 22, 2020

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  1. koolishman

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    “Herd Immunity” is Not an Answer to a Pandemic

    Promoting the concept of “herd immunity” as framed in a recently circulated document as an answer to the COVID-19 pandemic is inappropriate, irresponsible and ill-informed. “Community immunity,” or “herd immunity,” a goal of vaccination campaigns, should never come at the cost of planned exposure to infection of millions of additional people as well as the severe illness and preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. To assert that stepping away from the vigilance needed to control the spread of this novel coronavirus and that abdication of efforts to control a pandemic that has overwhelmed health systems worldwide is a “compassionate approach” is profoundly misleading.
     
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    Bill Gates blasts US response to COVID-19: 'Most governments listen to their scientists, not attack them'
    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates slammed the US government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic on Wednesday.

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    I think it's worth listening to the philanthropist who has spent a vast personal fortune and years of his life trying to prevent or prepare us for the next world-wide pandemic.

    Here's a link to a TED Talk that Bill gave in 2015:
    The Next Outbreak? We're Not Ready
    Eerily prophetic!

    Here's a link to a recent TED Talk he gave in March 2020:
    How we must respond to the Coronavirus pandemic

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  3. koolishman

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    Air cargo not yet prepared for Covid-19 vaccine

    The Sunrays survey carried out by TIACA and Pharma.Aero found that just 28% say they are well prepared to distribute a Covid-19 vaccine, while 19% say they are very unprepared.

    More than 80% said they could offer 2-8 degrees Celsius temperature-controlled services, 75% said they could offer 15-25, around 60% said they could do -20, around 15% -80 and just under 10% said they could not cater for temperature-controlled shipments.

    Also,
    Department Of Defense: Operation Warp Speed
     
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  5. Mister Funsky

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    I haven't gone back to the post yet but several months ago I gave a ballpark of what I thought the deaths in the US might be today, Oct 15th.. I recall 275,000 was at the top of the range and I'm glad we have not made that number yet. Of course, unfortunately, it is just a matter of time.

    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 8:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,098,110
    United States: 221,888
    Brazil: 151,779
    South Africa: 18,151
    United Kingdom: 43,155
    Canada: 9,664
    Mexico: 84,898
    Russia: 23,491
    India: 111,337
    Bolivia: 8,377
    Japan : 1,638
    Indonesia: 12,268
    Italy: 36,289
    Spain: 33,413
    Belgium: 10,278
    France: 33,037
    Netherlands: 6,692
    Chile: 13,415
    Philippines: 6,497
     
  6. Mister Funsky

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    Thought I'd share a 'real life' situation regarding covid19.

    My nephew who is/was extremely healthy has been physically crashing and burning over the last two weeks. He is very physically fit, in his mid/upper 30's and although he is the owner of a company that builds very high end houses, he gets in the trenches and works physically almost every day (he hates being in the office).

    I think I know what is wrong, but as of now the doctors have not pinned it down (gonna take a bone marrow sample to be sure). My point is he has been through many 'regular' tests and had to make two trips to the emergency room.

    The take away from all this as it relates to covid19 is that they have ultimately given him 5 tests...when I say 5, it was for 5 DIFFERENT strains.

    He was told the mutations are significant between the strains. Just like the seasonal flu, many variations can occur...not a good thing (variations) when making a vaccine.
     
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    Individuals with blood type O may have lowest risk of infection; individuals with A and AB may have increased risk of severe clinical outcomes

    The study results suggest that people with blood types A, B, or AB may be more likely to be infected with COVID-19 than people with type O. The researchers did not find any significant difference in rate of infection between A, B, and AB types. Since blood group distributions vary among ethnic subgroups, the researchers also controlled for ethnicity and maintained that fewer people with blood type O tested positive for the virus
     
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    The WHO has been late for some very important things lately, like the incredible delay about promoting the use of face masks to stop the covid-19 spread by asymptomatic people.

    From March, where the WHO recommended to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html

    And it was not until June 6, that they changed and started recommending face mask use:

    Coronavirus: WHO advises to wear masks in public areas

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52945210

    Three moths of distastrous delay, saying face masks were not necessary to stop a coronavirus spread.

    And until today, the WHO still do not recognize the airborne transmission of the virus.

    When all the experts and even the CDC already recognizes the airborne spread, with all the importance it has for taking prevention measures to stop the virus spread and infection ways.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/...ne-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

    239 Experts With One Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

    The W.H.O. has resisted mounting evidence that viral particles floating indoors are infectious, some scientists say. The agency maintains the research is still inconclusive.

    Already recommentations From July 6:

    https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa939/5867798

    It Is Time to Address Airborne Transmission of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

    We appeal to the medical community and to the relevant national and international bodies to recognize the potential for airborne spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

    Even the CDC Acknowledges Coronavirus Can Spread Via Airborne Transmission:

    Scientific Brief: SARS-CoV-2 and Potential Airborne Transmission


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html

    "The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is through exposure to respiratory droplets carrying infectious virus."

    Airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 can occur under special circumstances

    • Enclosed spaces within which an infectious person either exposed susceptible people at the same time or to which susceptible people were exposed shortly after the infectious person had left the space.
    • Prolonged exposure to respiratory particles, often generated with expiratory exertion (e.g., shouting, singing, exercising) that increased the concentration of suspended respiratory droplets in the air space.
    • Inadequate ventilation or air handling that allowed a build-up of suspended small respiratory droplets and particles.
    And I say all this because you must take all what WHO says with a pinch of salt, like what one of their representatives have said a few days ago about the Lockdowns.

    When the virus spread is out of control, lockdowns must be imposed to stop the virus explosion or healthcare systems would be completely overwhelmed.
    So Lockdowns are necessary when they need to be applicated, not more and not less, and that's obvious and of common sense.
    Saying that "We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus." is just wanting to confuse the people and wanting to create more confusion like what they have already done with other matters.
     
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  10. Sutruk

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    At least the WHO is right about herd immunity:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54518286

    Coronavirus: WHO head calls herd immunity approach 'immoral'

    "Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it," he said.

    "Never in the history of public health has herd immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak, let alone a pandemic."

    "Letting Covid-19 circulate unchecked therefore means allowing unnecessary infections, suffering and death," he said.
     
  11. Sutruk

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    By the way I just noticed this one.. and I really think this is a very serious statement from a Government and about a too serious pandemic like this one.

    Covid-19 herd immunity, backed by White House, is a 'dangerous fallacy,' scientists warn

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...e-house-dangerous-fallacy-scientists-n1243415


    Dozens of scientists from around the world warned against a "herd immunity" approach to curbing the spread of Covid-19 in a letter published Wednesday in the medical journal The Lancet.

    Herd immunity, which occurs when enough people become immune to a contagious disease to make further spread unlikely, is a "dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence," the scientists wrote.

    The Lancet article:

    Scientific consensus on the COVID-19 pandemic: we need to act now

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext


    "... (about herd immunity) This is a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence.
    Any pandemic management strategy relying upon immunity from natural infections for COVID-19 is flawed. Uncontrolled transmission in younger people risks significant morbidity and mortality across the whole population. In addition to the human cost, this would impact the workforce as a whole and overwhelm the ability of health-care systems to provide acute and routine care."


     
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  12. Mister Funsky

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    Herd immunity wont work at this stage no matter how many armchair doctors think it will.

    The reality is, I am sad to say, even vaccines will not work...too many people will not take one and the disease is mutating (as all viruses do).

    This thing, just like the Spanish Flu, will have to run its course. At the earliest, I think it will be 4th quarter of 2021 before things look 'normal' again...it is possible it will still be causing problems well into 2nd quarter of 2022. (of course, I could be wrong)
     
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    All viruses mutate, but some mutate more than others. Like the case of seasonal flu, that mutates to the point that a different vaccine is needed each season.

    But covid-19, although having evolved to some different strains, the mutation has been not so big, at least that's what I have always read from different studies.
    So for what I have seen, one of the "few" good things about covid is that the virus doesn't mutate as much as others like the flu, so the vaccine should work longer than for just one season.

    Anyway, we will see it very soon, if vaccines work or not. I am very confident that they will work, although another issue is when and for how many people it will be available.
     
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  15. Mister Funsky

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    I certainly remain hopeful that they can get the cocktail right, but as I wrote above about my nephew, they did tests for 5 separate strains. Just like the flu shot I got back in August, it had a 4 strain cocktail.
     
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    Amid COVID surge, WHO urges Europe to step up controls now to save lives

    New infections are hitting 100,000 cases a day in Europe, with the continent registering the highest weekly incidence of COVID-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic.

    "These models indicate that prolonged relaxing policies could propel - by January 2021 - daily mortality at levels 4 to 5 times higher than what we recorded in April".
     
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    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 8:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,104,169
    United States: 222,781
    Brazil: 152,513
    South Africa: 18,309
    United Kingdom: 43,293
    Canada: 9,664
    Mexico: 85,285
    Russia: 23,723
    India: 112,214
    Bolivia: 8,407
    Japan : 1,646
    Indonesia: 12,347
    Italy: 36,372
    Spain: 33,553
    Belgium: 10,327
    France: 33,125
    Netherlands: 6,692
    Chile: 13,434
    Philippines: 6,531
     
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    Study finds 4 drugs have little to no effect on COVID-19

    The World Health Organization announced the long-awaited results of a six-month trial that endeavored to see if existing drugs might have an effect on the coronavirus.


    The study, which was not peer-reviewed, found that four treatments tested — remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir/ritonavir and interferon — had “ little or no effect" on whether or not patients died within about a month or whether hospitalized patients recovered.
     
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    I don't know how accurate this is, but another 'real life':

    I was talking with a girl this morning who said someone she knows - a mid-thirties person - has cancer, for a 2nd time. The person caught covid awhile ago and has been struggling with after effects since. Doctors figure the covid could've set off this 2nd round of cancer, since it wasn't on the radar before catching covid.
     
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    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 9:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,110,405
    United States: 223,695
    Brazil: 153,229
    South Africa: 18,370
    United Kingdom: 43,429
    Canada: 9,722
    Mexico: 85,704
    Russia: 24,002
    India: 113,062
    Bolivia: 8,439
    Japan : 1,650
    Indonesia: 12,431
    Italy: 36,427
    Spain: 33,775
    Belgium: 10,359
    France: 33,303
    Netherlands: 6,737
    Chile: 13,529
    Philippines: 6,603
     
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    Johns Hopkins Researchers Identify Immune System Pathway That May Stop COVID-19 Infection

    While the world waits eagerly for a safe and effective vaccine to prevent infections from severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus behind the COVID-19 pandemic, researchers also are focusing on better understanding how SARS-CoV-2 attacks the body in the search for other means of stopping its devastating impact. The key to one possibility — blocking a protein that enables the virus to turn the immune system against healthy cells — has been identified in a recent study by a team of Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers.

    Based on their findings, the researchers believe that inhibiting the protein, known as factor D, also will curtail the potentially deadly inflammatory reactions that many patients have to the virus.

    Making the discovery even more exciting is that there may already be drugs in development and testing for other diseases that can do the required blocking.

    https://ashpublications.org/blood/a...rect-activation-of-the-alternative-complement
     
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    Current Covid19 death numbers as of 8:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

    Total: 1,115,622
    United States: 224,284
    Brazil: 153,690
    South Africa: 18,408
    United Kingdom: 43,579
    Canada: 9,746
    Mexico: 86,059
    Russia: 24,187
    India: 114,064
    Bolivia: 8,463
    Japan : 1,661
    Indonesia: 12,511
    Italy: 36,474
    Spain: 33,775
    Belgium: 10,392
    France: 33,392
    Netherlands: 6,751
    Chile: 13,588
    Philippines: 6,652
     

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