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Can we sort out the appraisal section?

Labeled as status-monitor in NamePros Help and Feedback, started by NickB, Aug 24, 2020

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  1. koolishman

    koolishman Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    Price brackets.

    Max 2 line explanation. Post lock beyond 2 lines.
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2020
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  2. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I personally don't always even give actual numbers. I will just comment if a domain is good and the potential I see in it.

    Just putting some random number does no favors for anyone.

    Brad
     
  3. Samer

    Samer Top Contributor VIP

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    Exactly. I was referring to jim in earlier post. There should be a rule;

    Contractually required buy 10% of ‘appraisal’

    “i would say” more than fair!

    Samer
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2020
  4. zomainhacks

    zomainhacks Established Member

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    Explaining why a domain has no value is often something that require more that two lines of text. The fact is most people there lack basic knowledge about domaining.
    Is such cases the best think to do IMHO is just redirect users to the newbie section of the forum. Why explaining in depth basic stuff if it is arleady being discussed elsewhere?
    On the other side, explaining why a certain domain has value is not something trivial. I think a short reasoning behind such appraisals should be advisable.
     
  5. Don Gondon

    Don Gondon Established Member

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    I vote "this thread is stupid".

    Almost no posters in the appraisal section make any effort about their requests. Sharing the results of their own research or at least explaining why do they think the name is valuable? Nah. They just post a domain or a whole bunch of them and thats it.

    There used to be a recommended template for appraisal, which included standard questions a person needs to ask themselves before registering or buying a name, although I can't find where it is on the forum anymore.

    1. Acquisition Reason:
    2. Markets:
    3. Research:
    4. End-User Value:
    5. Reseller Value:
    6. Traffic:
    7. Revenue:
    8. Age:
    9. Miscellaneous:

    If people were going by it, could save many from waste of money on worthless registrations in the first place... and with the posted threads, there would be some ground for discussion. No, thats not the way, lets just create a thread with a name!

    And now some people are angry with responses not being detailed enough? I can't believe that.

    Zero effort requests deserve zero effort appraisals, and nothing more.

    If you are unhappy with somebody's appraisal, you can spendwaste your own time writing a better one. You don't want to? Not hard to understand, by why the desire to regulate how other people respond?

    If any regulation of the appraisal is to be done, it should start with some rules for the posters. Otherwise its complete nonsense.
     
  6. Mod Team Bravo

    Mod Team Bravo Moderator, NamePros Moderator PRO VIP Gold Account

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    A quick recap of why that rule was added:

    There are, unfortunately, people who enjoy doings things for the sole purpose of creating problems and upsetting others, so we try to limit that where possible.
    • If you want to tell buyers that their domain names are worth less than what they paid for them, then there is a burden of explanation so that members can't effortlessly misuse appraisal requests to intentionally upset others.
    • If someone goes the other route and appraises every domain name at one million dollars, then that's still a problem, but it isn't going to come across as insulting and it could be dismissed without creating unnecessary hostility.

    As for whether we should expand the rule, it doesn't seem like requiring an explanation for every appraisal is going to help much (or at all). It'll mostly just create more work for moderators without much (or any?) benefit. We may be wrong, but after reviewing several appraisal requests, this is our impression so far.

    The better solution may be to try the Professional Appraisal section instead, where members are required to be VIP or upgraded accounts to participate, with the hope that you will receive more detailed appraisals there.

    There are still potentials for problems if someone wants to cause trouble. For example, if a member posts the same appraisal amount in every appraisal request, then it'd be easier for us to know their intentions and intervene. Other times, it's not as clear.

    We will continue to monitor this thread and think about ways we can improve the appraisal sections.

    Thanks for your continued feedback.
     
  7. Maximinus

    Maximinus Established Member

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    Hello,

    I am new to domaining, but I've already understood how useless the appraisal section is.
    I believe the best and simplest is to apprise with "*" or "$":
    * = Reg. fee
    ** = XX$
    *** = XXX$
    **** = XXXX$
    ***** = XXXXX$ or more
    This will ease and motivate domainers to make their appraisal.

    Anonimity is not a great idea in my opinion.
    Visibility is important in order to understand "Who" is appraising and "How"
    The appraisal of someone with a "PRO" badge is worth for a newbie more than 10 other newbie's appraisals.

    Greetings,
    Maximinus
     
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  8. Zanok

    Zanok Top Contributor VIP Gold Account

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    Moderators should really consider warning members that are not following a specific template while appraising a domain, just like they do for sellers in other sections like Domain Auctions and Fixed Price.

    As we speak, Domain Appraisal section is literally a jungle. You get everything from old lions with wisdom to monkeys with their basket filled with arrogance.
     
  9. Mod Team Bravo

    Mod Team Bravo Moderator, NamePros Moderator PRO VIP Gold Account

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    Which template(s) would you like to see used for every appraisal?
     
  10. Zanok

    Zanok Top Contributor VIP Gold Account

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    According to me, an appraiser - even if you consider the fact that appraisals are 100% free - shouldn't be allowed to just throw away random numbers without at least briefly explaining himself. It doesn't make sense. This is why EstiBot, GoValue™ and other automated appraisal tools exist.

    Randomly pick 5 appraisal requests from the section and you will see similar (if not exact) replies most of the time:

    "I would say $2000"
    OP should be at least able to understand (without necessarily having to agree with it) why you came up with these numbers.
    How did you come up with an appraisal of $2000 while 4 other members previously replied that the domain isn't even worth $10? Do you think you could easily get $2000 for it if it was your domain? Did you previously sell a similar domain for $2000?

    "reg fee... waste of money"
    OP should be at least able to understand (without necessarily having to agree with it) why he shouldn't have register the domain according to you.
    Why? Because the name is meaningless? Because you don't see any potential buyer for it? Because .mobi is not a popular extension? Because there are no past reported sales since 2017 for this prefix?
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2020
  11. jim h

    jim h Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    Forum is a public place, not a small circle of people.

    There is nothing wrong with trying to help others.Although the method is not necessarily brilliant.
    I'm not going to open a post to attack someone. I'm a pacifist.
     
  12. jim h

    jim h Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    You may find that many times I am the first person to reply
    only because I see many posts that have not been answered for a long time.
    I don't want new people to think it's a utilitarian forum and lose confidence , then leave.
    Though I'm new here too.

    I don't laugh at other people's domain names as "crap"(the word you use to me at
    https://www.namepros.com/threads/gpa-net.1209999/),
    because I know that every domain name has already paid for it. Just because they have no experience, the domain name seems to have some problems.

    I'm not going to drive away those who want to help and call them "troll"(the word you use to me at https://www.namepros.com/threads/gpa-net.1209999/). Because I know that they don't charge any fees and spend their time giving advice to others. They are good people.

    Maybe my level is not that high, but before I give my advice, I refer to the records of namebio and the average price of the same domain names being sold by afternic, Dan and Sedo,
    I mainly checked the meaning of the domain name with the meaning, length, suffix, prefix sales record ,potential buyers.I've done this, but I won't write a long paragraph because maybe other people have other ideas, like you said, don't mislead people. So I only talk about my own ideas. If someone don't allow people to speak here, what's the meaning of this forum.

    What you see is the estimate given by others, but you don't know that other people spend time thinking about it. You think it's just random numbers because you do it yourself.You were perfunctory. @NickB

    Even if I can't use Google and many tools like you , for some reason. I tried.

    I like to help others, maybe my level is not that high, but I still choose to be a positive helper.
    @bmugford @Zanok
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2020
  13. NickB

    NickB Wales.org VIP

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    Someone is on repeat mode.........
     
  14. jim h

    jim h Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    I don't want to have a war of words with people like you.
    It's a waste of my time. @NickB
     
  15. NickB

    NickB Wales.org VIP

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    I'm done with the appraisal section

    It is a cesspit, people bitching, moaning, arguing and giving no explanations or reasoning to their one or 2 word appraisals

    Have blocked the guy above and it is not just him there are a few people just wasting time in this section

    Wash my hands of it.......
     
  16. CraigD

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    I've had a few attempts at informative appraisals, but the impression I got is that many posters to this section are merely trying to market their domains and are rarely interested in contributing to the NP community.

    EDIT: Perhaps posters to this section should posses a minimum number of points/likes or community interaction before they can ask for appraisals?
     
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2020
  17. NickB

    NickB Wales.org VIP

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    Not just marketing their domains but also the majority are seeking some kind of justification......tell them something they don't want to hear, even when backed with some data or facts and they get arsey..

    Not every appraisal given will be right but if it is done with good intent, some effort and data points then at least it shows the reasoning behind it.

    If someone disagrees then they should respond with a fact based rebuttal not just "reg fee" or "I would say" a random figure or a insulting or sarcastic comment....

    I got sucked into it and won't be doing it again...
     
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2020

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