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BringLove.com for $3,595 or Bring.Love for $30,000

Located in General Domain Discussion, started by JB Lions, Aug 10, 2020

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BringLove.com for $3,595 or Bring.Love for $30,000 - Which One For Your Business?

  1. BringLove.com for $3,595

    94.7%
  2. Bring.Love for $30,000

    5.3%
Total: 113 vote(s)
  1. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    LOL. "Unauthorized".

    Look if you are going to write an article, that uses the domain as an example, it is more than reasonable to have discussion like this.

    Brad
     
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  2. henrypcyeung

    henrypcyeung Established Member

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    1. Reasonable =/= authorized & ethical. Especially when he does not mention about the pricing and the .com version in his article. This poll is nothing related to what he writes in his article, except his domain name. What's more, is it really reasonable? The reasonable poll should ask if people agree to his article.

    2. This poll is very problematic. It is like asking pizza lovers whether they like pizza or hamburgers for meals. Obviously it is intentionally disrupting his article and domain name in a bad and unethical way, unless the poll creator is so stupid that does not aware of it. If you post your portfolio publicly, what will you think and how will you feel when other people start a poll that is intended to disrupt your portfolio's value?

    3. Thanks to your logic and others' comments here, I just removed all my portfolio links. I strongly recommend you to remove your portfolio links as well to protect your portfolio's value because you cannot know if someone will create a poll intended to devalue your portfolio and you now authorize them to do so according to your logic.
     
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  3. Brands.International

    Brands.International formerly lolwarrior VIP

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    @henrypcyeung thank you for all your posts here, I personally much appreciate that and I am thankful! :xf.smile:(y)

    It is very nice to meet someone with basic human decency who also possess logical thinking. Although I highly doubt you can have much success with it here. Still, not all is lost, and I am sure that readers of this thread can make their own opinion.

    Thanks again :)
     
  4. mpls

    mpls Top Contributor VIP

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    Here I am.
    Real online businesses owner since 2000.
    I've built an enormous amount of online business in many niches during the last 20 years.
    I've real infield experience.
    Nothing theoretically, real experience + MSC in computer science.
    That said... What to say? .com every day.
    I could call 100 of my contacts (entrepreneurs, IT specialists, Internet marketers, web agencies, ...., ....) and I am sure 100% of them choose .com (for 1/10 of the price and because .com is .com).
    Why pay $30k? Why?
    If you are a standard business owner not shopify / amazon / ebay / silicon valley's big companies, but a small/medium business (99.99% of the businesses out there) they will never go with .love for $30k (lol!).
    And domainers have to target that small/medium companies, not amazon or shopify.
    Because they are the major pool of potential buyers.
    With $27k less than .love price tag a small/medium company can do a lot of things.
    A lot of, useful and great things.
    Maybe spend that budget in marketing, SEO, advertising and build a trust brand on .com.
    Or they could pay $30k and buy bring dot love but their business will be found only if you type site:bring.love in google.
     
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  5. henrypcyeung

    henrypcyeung Established Member

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    I have seen many people introducing themselves as a professional and having lots of experience but do not provide any proof. No proof, no trust.

    Have you sent this poll to your 100 contacts? If not, don't be so sure.
    You remind me of some sales close to $30,000 that business owners use new gTLDs and the .com versions are not used:
    - Open(.Money) ($25,000)
    - Smart(.Bio) ($27,685)
    - Realty(.App) ($24,000)
    - Radio(.Cloud) ($28,000)
    Besides new gTLDs, please note that there are .net, .co, .org, .ai, .io and other extensions being used by many startups. So really 100% of people choose .com and .com every day? Face the reality and facts please. If all your contacts are from a country that only uses .com, please try to think in a global scope because this is a global forum and domains are global.

    Show us the credible source of 99.99% of businesses are medium/small. We hate unreliable figures. I cannot believe that a guy who studied a MSC degree does not cite any sources, especially sources of statistical figures. I really doubt if you really have a MSC degree because you do not show professionalism and is quite subjective in your writing.

    Domainers have to target all potential buyers (big, medium and small companies, and even individuals). None of domains are designed for a specific size of business and none of domainers should limit their pool of potential buyers.

    Regarding budget planning & allocation, it is a complex topic because it varies by companies' strategies. You may be right in some business scenarios, while some companies such as Shopify did not do as what you think. So it is not possible that 100% choose .com or 100% choose .love in the business world, given that $30,000 is not a large amount in the business world, especially when choosing brand names (domain names) for business. Some may buy both .com and .love as well.
    Shopify could use $200,000 to do much more marketing things than use $27,000, but they chose to use the $200,000 to buy the domain and let the .com version unused. We do not know the reason behind their decision. But we should know that they, as a large company, made the decision based on serious calculations and planning.
     
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  6. MysteryUser.com

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    I think its very poor form to have this discussion around another users actual domain name - I'm sorry for your experience Brands.International.


    Separately, I think it all depends. Some words work better with a "." in the middle, e.g. shop.now vs. shop now.com, others work better as one word, and I'm inclined to say bringlove.com fits in that bucket.

    The general rule definitely is to go via .com, especially if its considerably cheaper.

    But again, this thread should not have been made in this way.
     
  7. bmugford

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    The domain was discussed in a public article. Therefore, I think it is perfectly reasonable to discuss it.

    If I wrote the same article, and used a .COM domain as an example I think it would be reasonable for someone to ask what is better that .COM or a new gTLD.

    Brad
     
  8. BrandPlease

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    All, Deep Breath please. This should not be turning into an argument - and if some of the wording was a bit different (above) it wouldn't be. IMO.

    Look, from a tried and true "business model" there is little (true) argument where the bulk of investment is made. Investments from this community as well as real end users, today .com is what is needed.

    I look at the new extensions as more of a "Crypto"ish assets in relation to our space. Most of us dont use, want to use, or see the value in spending time using...But the minority who do believe, do market, do understand markets we DONT... keep all of us kind of in the loop. But, more importantly they push the Domain Value + Brand Value loud and clear and more than most of us. Ultimately, their passion will help make their niche successful - while driving the traditional .com value at the same time.

    We have a lot more in common to promote, than to fight over. Just my opinion.
     
  9. henrypcyeung

    henrypcyeung Established Member

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    Totally agree! There are many unethical people in the world that do not respect others and others' assets. They enjoy doing so and always think it is fine to do so, even if someone tell them that it is unethical. They will wake up only when they become the victims of similar scenario.
     
  10. bmugford

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    If you don't want other people talking about them, don't write a public article that highlights them.
    If you do, then they become subject for discussion. It is that simple.

    And also..."Victims"...Please.

    Brad
     
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  11. henrypcyeung

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    Your reply further confirms what I said. Your behavior that do not respect others' domains has been a shame in the domaining world. You are a domainer and should know it is a very bad behavior to intentionally devalue others' domains. If really want to discuss, don't use actual domain names. You have been a member here since 2007 and should know that everything written here is indexed in search engines. We can use "Word1.Word2", "Word1Word2.com" or many other forms to try to protect others' domains.

    This is my final advice to you to be a good domainer and good human: be ethical, and respect others and others' assets.
     
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  13. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    "Ethics" are subjective. You are not a moral authority on ethics.

    I don't find anything unethical about the discussion of a domain name that someone puts out there in a public article. If you post a public article you are inviting discussion.

    Don't play the "victim" card when there is discussion.

    Brad
     
  14. henrypcyeung

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    Is ethics purely subjective? If yes, there would not be ethical principles and code of ethics.

    Who is moral authority on ethics?

    Please read carefully what I wrote. I am talking about it is unethical to use others' actual domain names for discussion without permission to intentionally devalue the domain names. I never say we cannot discuss. Please try to use your best intelligence to get my point.

    I can start a poll to ask if using others' actual domain names for discussion without the owners' permissions to intentionally devalue the domains is an ethical behavior as thought by you. According to your logic, I am reasonable to do so because you wrote related stuff here, right? Of course, I must get your permission to start the poll because I respect you.

    There can be victims in discussions, especially cyberbullying. Only attackers don't wanna mention the word "victim". Please be ethical and consider victims' feelings. Having empathy and thinking in other people's position are first steps to be an ethical human.
     
  15. Rory Ivey

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    Neither for me. But BringLove.com is best
     
  16. Giroud

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    Guys just use DNMask when you post a domain name in a discussion like this, the domain will not be indexed by Google and the domain owner will not be affected negatively by what other NP members say about his domain in the thread.
     
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  17. coolhands

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    I agree what @Brands.International Said

    @JB Lions , You just destroyed he's Domain. if the end user find this thread, it's will be very Hard for him to sold he's domain with the price he want.

    I don't think you will be happy if someone start a thread and make people give their opinion about your own Domains, And Especially if you received a bad feedback.

    If your intention was good, Please Next time start a poll, and let's us vote on your domain VS Competitor domain.
     
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  18. eyedomainous

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    A/B Surveys produce owner neutral market data.
    Do you like this domain / home address? or That domain address? One does not ask the seller's permission to compare their merchandise to similar products. The popularity of domain name addresses is also owner neutral. Comparisons do impact value. That's how buy decisions are made... and a competitive free market works.
     
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  19. Brands.International

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    Thank you @MysteryUser.com.
     
  20. Brands.International

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    Thank you @coolhands!
     
  21. Brands.International

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    Brad, I am pretty surprised that you are defending this thread so much and with such vigor!

    Yes, domain name Bring / Love was used in the public article which I wrote for Medium.com. But the point of the whole article was to advise Social Media Influencers that they should not rely on their social media accounts only, but should have also their own domain name as a backup. And I used domain name from my own portfolio, to illustrate how they can redirect their social media accounts to the domain names.

    Here is the link to the article we are speaking about, everyone can make their own opinion: article

    As you can see, a very innocent article, which is beneficial for all domain investors. Why some people got triggered, is beyond my understanding.

    I can guarantee you, if I would be using .com domain name in my article as that example, there would be no thread like this one. But I dared to use a new gTLD domain name, and here we go (again). You know, I own 100% new gTLDs in my portfolio, so what do you expect me to use in my own articles when I need an example of a domain name? Should it be maybe .com names of other investors here, so that I can avoid this type of poll in the future, or will you permit me to use my own domain names? :)
     
  22. Brands.International

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    Thank you @BrandPlease for your post, I very much agree. Totally true that we have lot more in common to promote, be it .com or new gTLD domain investors and no fights are necessary - we should all aim much more towards to end-users, and stop fighting petty internal fights in domainers circles :xf.smile:(y)
     
  23. garptrader

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    I am not a new TLD cheerleader because I know from personal experience that selling alternative extensions at premium prices is difficult and much less common than newbies believe is the case. Newbies get all excited about registry sales in the first year after launch and think any keyword they register in that extension is an instant lottery ticket winner. Reality sets in when the renewal bills arrive and they have no sales from these overhyped extensions. In this case neither domain name makes any sense for a normal business except for possibly a porn site. Even then a horrible brand name imo. Why waste money on new tlds which do not even make sense in .com?
     
  24. bmugford

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    I said in the other thread I agree with the premise of the article as far as social influencers being at the mercy of the platform, and it is smart to use a domain name.

    I really don't care about the extension itself. It has nothing to do with that. I didn't post a poll because I personally don't even care that much.

    My major issue is more with you acting like you need permission to talk about something in a public article, or others playing the "victim" card. It just comes off as rather whiny IMO.

    If you put the name out there in a public article, you have to know there might be discussion.
    If I wrote a similar article, and then promoted some domain I own, I would fully be expecting a discussion.

    Brad
     
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  25. henrypcyeung

    henrypcyeung Established Member

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    Please permit me to start a poll to ask if using others' actual domain names for discussion without the owners' permissions to intentionally devalue the domains is an ethical behavior as written by you publicly at NamePros. Or you can choose to not permit me but this will show that what you said about "reasonable" and "expecting a discussion" are all bullshit, and you are just a bad guy with double standard.
     

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