NameSilo

Brent Oxley Loses Access to Create.com, Plus Millions of Dollars Worth of His Domains

Labeled as information in Domain Industry News, started by James Iles, Mar 4, 2021

Replies:
1,346
Views:
85,867

  1. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,350
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    Brad, you are lucky that you are a great guy, I could demand that all your domains are mine and if I fill the complaint in my country, we have like 5 courts to go through, up to the high court, even if I don't have a real case, so I could get your domains locked for up to ten years, according to godaddy. That's absurd. For these reasons, even if you will have assets in my country, no court will seize them, until the final high court appearance, so that nobody can abuse the system. Looks like godaddy is giving hopes to crocks that they could blackmail anybody now. What will happen if after 6 years of filling a complaint and loosing because there is no case, I will ask my brother to fill one for 11$, than my cousin and so on, until we die? According to godaddy, they could keep all your domains locked all your life, it's like a Kafka story, everything goes from absurd to even more absurd. Next time when I don't receive in time my stuff ordered from amazon, I will ask godaddy to lock amazon until I'm happy.
     
    The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
  2. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,350
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    It's not about third world, it's about all countries, even if you are in Canada, Switzerland, Australia and so on, there is no way to seize assets from somebody owned in another country. And even if you do, it has to go through local courts and again, only a court can seize assets, not godaddy.
     
  3. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,350
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    But the indian court has no standing in this case, they have just accepted the compaint, they need to rule if it's true or not and than go further and notify US court and these can take years and years ,godaddy has replaced all these courts and made it in seconds, they want to show to local market(1.3 billion possible customers) how fast and obedient they can be.
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  4. karmaco

    karmaco Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    3,005
    Likes Received:
    7,997
  5. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    12,624
    Likes Received:
    21,383
    That is what makes it even more troubling. It opens up a can of worms.

    It is completely unacceptable unless there is far more to this story, which it doesn't seem like there is at this point.

    Brad
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  6. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,350
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    What's even more unacceptable, is that godaddy ignored all the defendant emails and requests. Even network solutions and 1&1 will replay late, but eventually they will reply. Looks like godaddy has chosen to ignore everything hopping for the best and that is in this case, a premium customer. What will happen if somebody like me will be in Brent's case, they will send me to my roots and auction my domains in less than 24 hours....
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  7. Future Sensors

    Future Sensors 78% of human domainers will be replaced by robots Gold Account

    Posts:
    876
    Likes Received:
    2,867
    We all know that India is an important country for Godaddy for growing its business. I sincerely hope that foreign ambitions do not take precedence or harm the rights of customers in other countries.

    Reading this thread on namePros, I am struggling taking a stand that Godaddy is fighting for their clients and their rights.

    Here's a news item from 2018*

    Moving forward, we are committed to contribute significantly to our country's Digital India initiative. We expect one-third of Indian small businesses to be online by 2022, and we aspire for GoDaddy to play a major role in helping these businesses bring their ideas online," Nikhil Arora, Vice President and Managing Director, India, GoDaddy, said in a statement.

    *Source: https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tec...rs-in-india-story-mwzT80VIJ4mjKSLhAuXeZO.html

    As someone closely involved in Internet infrastructure matters, I'm particularly worried about trust that has been given to Godaddy for providing services in the DNS B-Root, and other critical DNS infrastructure services.

    https://www.godaddy.com/engineering/2020/01/27/b-root/

    Godaddy, I recommend taking a broader look at this case than just ticking some things off.

    @Paul Nicks @Joe Styler
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  8. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,833
    Likes Received:
    5,636
    Guess that's part of the issue.

    But GoDaddy India should be an entirely different legal entity right? It's not like if you have a presence in another country all of your global businesses obligations fall under local law.

    @create.com

    I'm sure you have a good legal team, probably people specialising in these kind of assets given your history of acquisitions but it might make sense to reach out to @jberryhill .
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  9. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,833
    Likes Received:
    5,636
    Same here. Very troubling.
     
  10. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    12,624
    Likes Received:
    21,383
    Look at the threats being made towards Brent and his family. This stuff is crazy.
    It does not surprise me, the person made similar threats on NamePros before mods took action.

    More information about threats made to others - https://www.namepros.com/threads/ba...e-is-no-room-for-threats-on-namepros.1186257/

    I really can't believe GoDaddy's actions on this.


    Upon contacting Oxley for comment, he provided me with a screenshot of an Escrow.com transaction purportedly created by Agarwal.

    In the transaction (#7813820), titled “Mutual settlement of fight,” Agarwal offers to withdraw his case against Oxley and allow the registrar to unlock Oxley’s domain names.

    In exchange for this, Agarwal is asking for $5 million, according to the screenshot provided.

    Oxley also sent screenshots of hundreds of emails and instant messages allegedly sent by Agarwal to Oxley.

    In one string of 99 messages allegedly sent by Agarwal, numerous threats are made to Oxley, including “Ur [sic] ranch will burn one day,” “Ur [sic] car will catch fire,” “I will also take help from black magic,” and “I will pray to devil god to fulfill it.”

    In another string, messages include “Ur [sic] children will pay for ur [sic] bad karma,” “All ur [sic] money will be no use to them,” and “U [sic] will cry blood tears.”
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  11. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    12,624
    Likes Received:
    21,383
    GoDaddy is simply enabling the actions of this person who is clearly acting in bad faith.

    This thread is a real eye opener -

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/ba...e-is-no-room-for-threats-on-namepros.1186257/

    He was involved in multiple cases of threatening people. I had an issue at the time, and I still have an issue now with NamePros lack of action. There were at least (3) cases I know of where physical violence (including death) was threatened.

    If threatening people with physical violence multiple times is not cause for a ban, what is?

    At the time I posted the following -

    I can't even believe this is serious. What the hell has happened to NamePros?

    We have people making threats for at least the second time.
    Oh no, an infraction was issued.

    The moderation, or lack of I should say, has lead us to this place.
    This should not be tolerated, never mind for a second time.

    Brad
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  12. Grilled

    Grilled Hi and Welcome ALL Domain Registrar CEOs VIP

    Posts:
    6,167
    Likes Received:
    9,185
    Also of important note is Michael Gargiulo @VPN.com recent comment HERE.

     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  13. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    12,624
    Likes Received:
    21,383
    The more that comes out the worse this looks for GoDaddy.

    This is creating an absurd precedent. It is creating a system that can be easily gamed and abused.

    If this can happen to Brent, what chance does any other domain investor or even domain owner have in fighting this type of complete nonsense?

    Brad
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  14. oldtimer

    oldtimer Do some good for humanity and the environment VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    3,393
    Likes Received:
    4,792
    Here is an imaginary scenario:

    Person C finds a buyer called person B who is willing to pay 120k for a domain name that person A is asking 100k for.

    Person A and person B engage in a escrow transaction and the domain changes hands between them for 120k

    Although person C does not have a contract with either person A or person B and is not mentioned in the escrow transaction anywhere, but person C now believes (rightly or wrongly) that he is owed 20k

    Were person A and person B both fully aware of what person C was doing here and were they okay with it, or was it done without the knowledge of one of the parties to this domain transaction, perhaps that’s what makes all the difference in such cases.

    IMO
     
  15. Nahdism

    Nahdism Established Member

    Posts:
    1,395
    Likes Received:
    337
    Firstly, you (Brent Oxley) or in fact anybody here doesn't know if this person's name is "Puneet Agarwal" for real or not. Nobody knows if the address he used to file the petition does exist or not. Although he shows himself as Indian, but seriously he could be sitting comfortably in some other country and using his contacts here to file the petitions.

    Maybe this is his full-time job to hunt entrepreneurs in different niches, learn about their businesses and circles, get in touch with them, exchange some communication and sue them to extort money? Perhaps just a personal opinion of what I just read here about and the past accusations to some other domainer too.

    Court cases here goes on and on for many years. A court proceeding missed by you or by him will again make the clock reset. This Tom and Jerry case will go on forever until you budge to his wishes and this will make him more of a confident and successful con-man.

    But if you are honest and have proper proofs of his no involvement in any of your businesses, there should be no reason to bow down to him or his improper demands.

    I am a no legal expert and doesn't even have a slightest knowledge of any legal proceedings, but again keeping the fact that you are being honest to your business and dealings with him, you can file an FIR against him in some Indian Police Station for him threatening, abusing you and your family (just in case he really did that, I am not asking to falsely accuse him).

    This should speed things up. Obviously, they will first track him down, will have all his background and the Police will guide you then to the proper court procedures. His previous scams and similar activities (if he committed any) will help you prove your point and get justice served at a faster pace.

    Let the truth prevail...!
     
  16. Dave

    Dave Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    3,769
    Likes Received:
    5,355
    Also back to the topic at hand.. GoDaddy you have really let yourselves down here big time. Awful, just awful.
     
  17. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,833
    Likes Received:
    5,636
    Should be the other way around. Let him come with proof. If there is none, don't lock any domains to begin with.

    Innocent untill proven guilty.
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  18. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,350
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    Even if he has proof, godaddy can't act as a judge, jury and other law enforcement agency. All these steps should be made by proper institutions and agencies, exactly for this reason, to make sure that nobody is abusing the system. Godaddy can't guess what will happen at the end of the court appearance. Based on godaddy actions, they could even delete these domains and put them up to auctions, just because somebody filled a complain and make a few millions from the auctions, before any court order will be issued, this is wrong at so many levels.
     
  19. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,350
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    Believe me or not, I blame more godaddy than the complainant. Even if he is wrong or even if he just dreamed that he should receive anything, is his right to fill a complain and a court will decide if he is right or wrong. But godaddy has no involvement here, is not their job n'or they right to do anything, it's just an abuse and even more, they don't care if they are right or wrong. This is all about the money with godaddy, if they believe that these actions will bring them a bigger market share in India and make some millions, they will go ahead...in the same time, if tomorrow 1 millions domains will transfer away from godaddy because of this, they will change their mind in seconds and act like they didn't knew about the whole story. That's the reason for not replying to emails and comments, to give them room to play at both heads, that's godaddy, money talks.
     
  20. JohnDoms

    JohnDoms New Member

    Posts:
    9
    Likes Received:
    6
    The justice system should be such that it is accessible even by the marginalized sections of the society. It is shameful that Mr Puneet misuses a fair justice system to arm-twist people and that too assets in foreign countries. In India, we truly have the best justice system that caters to 1/7th of the world population, and hence it is slow, which is being fixed by the current government. I am proud of my country since most judges are fearless and they even throw the rich and mighty into prison for their wrongdoings, which is not so in our neighbouring countries.
    Since digital assets are a new subject for India's court system, the system might slowly evolve processes to dispose of such cases better than to order locking assets of a foreign investor as in the present case.
    In this case, I would request Mr Oxley to file a stay of the lower court order in a higher court(this can happen super-quick). More importantly, Mr Oxley should pursue the case by filing a defamation suit in Rajasthan High court. The higher the damage claimed, the better for the case and the fees for the same in Rajasthan high court is less. In my opinion, a defamation suit for Rupees 7,000 – Rs 14,000 Crores($1Billion to $2 Billion USD) for the damages caused should be filed, and Mr Oxley should not accept apologies from Mr Puneet during the reconciliation phase of the proceedings. I am sure Mr Puneet would be sent to jail for a long, long time for indulging in extortion and defamation. This order will also help educate all the lawyers and the judges about the value of digital assets. This will set a precedent and create fear in the minds of scammers to not mess up with digital assets.
     
  21. alcy

    alcy Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    19,019
    Likes Received:
    32,947
    putting aside the specific case here...is anyone else beside me reading this also rudely reminded of how any and all domains are just rented out digital assets we pay an annual rental fee for... how they are not say a car we go buy from dealer pay cash upfront and its ours... I mean if it wasnt so then such cases would never happen... and because they do happen and can happen it's just irrefutable proof and grim reminder... what we think we own in terms of domains can be in so many ways taken away from us..
     
  22. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,350
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    They have the same value as in leasing a car. By leasing, you are the user of the car but the owner remains the leasing company until everything is paid. Even if there is a disagreement between the user and the owner, the owner can't do anything until he has a final court decision, so it should be the same case here as well...godaddy is not even the owner here, he is just a garage where you keep your car, so has no right here, it's just a temporary host for your car, but he closes the garage doors to force you not to leave.
     
  23. alcy

    alcy Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    19,019
    Likes Received:
    32,947
    yes that's why I said pay cash upfront for car..not lease it.

    I read all this and the sad reality reminds itself.. no matter how great and valuable the domain we are not it's TRUE owners.. at least not in the sense that would prevent us from things like this happening... and aside from this other things can happen too... dont get me wrong I love domaining... but truth be told if ever I did own million dollar names i may be thinking twice about holding them versus maybe selling sooner not later

    but ...I'm kinda stating obvious too... cause everyone knows we pay rental fee on them. stop paying and it's over.
     
  24. Grilled

    Grilled Hi and Welcome ALL Domain Registrar CEOs VIP

    Posts:
    6,167
    Likes Received:
    9,185
    I think I understand why you included this picture, to cite the AR15.com issue... but c'mon man that has to be quite an intimidating image to rehash in this thread for the plaintiff @barybadrinath to inevitably bear witness. It's one thing to stare down the barrel of a lawsuit, but it's a-whole-nother thing to stare down an image of the barrel of a tank that belongs to the guy you're suing. seeing the image posted in this thread from the plaintiffs perspective

    I would assume he already knows he's suing somebody who owns DriveTanks.com, nonetheless, the added imagery is umm.... theatrics? As if this needed any more theatrics, but I guess as the old adage goes "...only in domaining are such stories possible."

    I'm not pointing out the tank intimidation to make fun, make this political, or summons cancel culture. I'm more so wondering where/if some sugar can be found, in the off chance both parties can squeeze any remaining juice out of this sour situation, and begin turning lemons into lemonade.

    Y'all see... It's approaching 3:00 AM, and I should probably be sleeping. But after reading any good mystery novel, Hollywood series or in this case, doom scrolling through some of the alleged/possible connections surrounding this situation, and the backgrounds of the involved parties, I am left popping more popcorn like others following along, and clinching to see how this will all unfold. At this point, who knows which way things will turn, but one angle I think worth exploring is the cinematic or Vice style documentary amicable ending.

    I have no idea how "movie rights" work, or what the market is for "documentary rights", but perhaps that could be an avenue for @barybadrinath to gain desired compensation and/or share his story or if this could be an opportunity to answer to any to his newfound media notoriety. I mean, dude (Mr. Argawal) from India gets sued by Facebook, loses, then goes up against dude who had 9-figure exit, that now plays with tanks... for fun, actual tanks. I'm sure Hollywood can add a spin to this story and provide it a deserving cinematic ending. Hollywood ending 🤩 or ⚖ Judicial Proceedings... hmmm.

    Far out suggestion.
    1. Mr. Argawal drops the case, and removes all hexes immediately.
    2. Mr. Oxley agree's to appear in Mr. Argawal's documentary, and authorizes some tank footage provided a producer/funding is found (perhaps Christian Colson).
    3. Lawyers go home, and @Rob Monster helps iron out any wrinkles by being appointed the neutral ombudsman.
    Hollywood lemonade aside, I do hope the executives involved (e.g. the not active on namePros GoDaddy CEO Mr. Bhutani and whomever he and his legal team did or did not consult) take a long hard look at what's transpiring here, and patch any potential legal exploits this situation may have turned up.

    Until more details are known, or unless things are settled behind the scenes, it's beginning to look like March Madness again on namePros... as the popcorn seems to be popping at March-like levels again.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  25. dna

    dna Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    1,012
    Likes Received:
    437

    The India courts have no jurisdiction over Brent.
    The problem here is that Godaddy has put themselves
    in a position where the India courts have jurisdiction
    over Godaddy. And that means that the Indian courts
    have jurisdiction over anyone who has a domain name
    registered with Godaddy. And if Godaddy has a
    presence in China, so do corrupt Chinese courts.

    Domainers should not be subject to the orders
    of biased and corrupt courts systems. They should only
    be subject the the courts in the countries where they reside.
    If the India court orders Godaddy to transfer Brent's
    domain names to Puneet, Godaddy will do it.

    This whole situation is 100% the fault of Godaddy!
     

Want to reply or ask your own question?

It only takes a minute to sign up – and it's free!
Topics / Tags:
biix
  1. NamePros uses cookies and similar technologies. By using this site, you are agreeing to our privacy policy, terms, and use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
Loading...