Bidding on your own names at NameJet...?

[webquest]

Once in awhile I see people bidding on their own domains at NJ. I would think it would be frowned upon.

Today's seems more obvious than normal. Or am I missing something here?

Airlinejobs.com owned by Andy Booth at Booth.com and high bidder is BQDNcom (James Booth).

3 bids down we see Boothcom as a bidder.

Same thing with MovieZone.com. Owned by Andy Booth in which he currently appears to be the high bidder.

High Bid: $2,475 USD by boothcom

They actually won their own domain airplanesforsale.com. Im guessing it didnt get as high as they wanted so needed to protect it.

Bidder Amount Date
bqdncom $2,001 7/17/2017 12:23 PM
boothcom $1,950 7/17/2017 12:23 PM

 

[boker]

#tailbetweenlegs
#sosorrysir
#finallysomeoneelsepostsinthisthread

Promo, if you have any connection to OH or AR, selling or buying names for them, you're the last one who should attacking somebody or defending somebody in this thread.....it's just business ethics.

 

[JimJammy]

Give me a break, because of @Grilled and @Michael we got quite a lot of information that shows the shady bidding that went on at NameJet. Without them @Oliver Hoger may not have been called out for bidding on his own names. I think they deserve our thanks and respect rather than criticism for trying to clean the filth that plagues our industry at the moment.

On the one hand I agree with you. IF anyone is doing anything dodgy and you can prove that 1000% then they SHOULD be called out. You'd have to be a ker-billion percent sure of your accusations before doing this.

On the other hand, there is nothing in this thread that leads me to believe that anyone has been doing anything dodgy, yet names and implications have been made that could (and probably have) wrecked peoples professional future relationships - yes I have read this thread fully and properly. Relationships that have taken years to cultivate and secure could be wrecked by the accusations and implications in this thread. This could have cost these people thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands.

I'm going to be blunt. If you have SOLID PROOF that people have been doing something they shouldn't have, they should be named and shamed. But to 'suspect' wrongdoing and naming and shaming innocent parties is just horrendous and could cost them untold amounts in future business. The people naming and shaming unfairly should be punished for that and I hope those innocent parties that have been abused in this process take full and legal actions against those 'accusations'.

I know this isn't going to go down well with those people that think they have a right to 'grill' anyone they please, but the law is the law, and I believe in the law.

 

[Irieman]

there is nothing in this thread that leads me to believe that anyone has been doing anything dodgy

You haven't seen the proof of shill bidding?!?

 

[JimJammy]

You haven't seen the proof of shill bidding?!?

Yes I have. And I'm smart enough not to comment on a public forum on what I believe is shill bidding and what I believe is not shill bidding. No offence meant, genuinely.

I'm also smart enough to realize that innocent people have been caught up in the accusations of shill bidding. That's what I'm referring to in my post above.

 

[Irieman]

I understand, but your statement said the exact opposite, so if you don't want

to comment on a public forum on what I believe is shill bidding and what I believe is not shill bidding

, then just don't post.

 

[JimJammy]

I understand, but your statement said the exact opposite, so if you don't want , then just don't post.

Yep, you are probably right.

Other than enjoying/watching the vast amount of back pedaling in this thread over the last few pages... I'm out.

 

[boker]

On the one hand I agree with you. IF anyone is doing anything dodgy and you can prove that 1000% then they SHOULD be called out. You'd have to be a ker-billion percent sure of your accusations before doing this.

On the other hand, there is nothing in this thread that leads me to believe that anyone has been doing anything dodgy, yet names and implications have been made that could (and probably have) wrecked peoples professional future relationships - yes I have read this thread fully and properly. Relationships that have taken years to cultivate and secure could be wrecked by the accusations and implications in this thread. This could have cost these people thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands.

I'm going to be blunt. If you have SOLID PROOF that people have been doing something they shouldn't have, they should be named and shamed. But to 'suspect' wrongdoing and naming and shaming innocent parties is just horrendous and could cost them untold amounts in future business. The people naming and shaming unfairly should be punished for that and I hope those innocent parties that have been abused in this process take full and legal actions against those 'accusations'.

I know this isn't going to go down well with those people that think they have a right to 'grill' anyone they please, but the law is the law, and I believe in the law.

Jamie, the best prove is that namejet itself has banned more accounts related to this thread. Also, we are in a free world and I think, no court in the world will take any action against anybody who thinks in one way or another. Take for example the hundreds of websites named like 'brandxsucks.com' and they 'grill' big companies like microsoft, p&g and others. They don't have to prove, they just had a bad experience or they are competitors. If multi billion companies can't take down those sites, believe me that neither OH or AR will not be able to do anything. It's like people saying that Trump sucks or that he is crazy and he will be able to do something in court against them. It's just peoples view in a free world. The idea is, if you are doing everything by the book, everybody can say anything, nobody will believe it. Why nobody is saying something like this about Doron or Raymond? When you have multiple auctions with the same bidders, when the company address it's the same for more bidders and others stuff, at least you have to suspect that something is wrong. It's the same as BB search algorithm, Brandroot policy, 1&1 customer service, rebel.com stuff, domain,com renewals and all others,not just that you are not forbidden to say something, but you have a moral obligation to raise those questions.

 

[Arca]

there is nothing in this thread that leads me to believe that anyone has been doing anything dodgy

That Oliver bid on his own auctions is conclusively proved by the bidding records of auctions where he was also the seller. He bid up his own names with a bid handle that is widely known to belong to him.

 

[dbdomains]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply, @Michael . Very appreciated. I understand what you are saying and can understand why you would decline.



To me, that is insane he is allowed to sell there still. I am a programmer and I personally feel as if his bot explanation does not hold up nor exonerate him - with the evidence at hand. (in my opinion) We could discuss why I think this but others have brought up most the points.

But more to the main point - I think this is probably only one case and many others are likely to exist. (in my opinion)

Sad state of affairs when it has now pretty much been admitted and become the accepted practice that shill bidding is normal and we should just pay what we think something is worth. Simple fact of the matter is all of our margins would be better without shill bidders, regardless of what we are willing to pay. If it comes down to what we are willing to pay then these should not be auctions - but "Make an Offer" (in my opinion)

Everything I write here is opinion and I do not want to implicate that anything is fact against anyone.

Michael M,

<opinion>I appreciate your clarification that these are just your opinions. I happen to agree with them. I am sure many here do as well.

It is my understanding that Shill Bidding is illegal in the EU as well as the UK. It is also illegal in many jurisdictions in the US. I believe that this probably falls under 18 USC 1343. I think even in the case where there is some reserve on the domain, shill bidding to drive the price close to the reserve, in hopes that a buyer believes that there must really be more value in the domain and then bids over the reserve because of apparent "market proof" probably shows enough intent to make a claim against the party doing it.

A buyer doesn't have to over pay for a domain, and hence lose something, to make the argument of an element of fraud in the shill bidding, in my opinion. Furthermore, I suspect that shill bidding is probably covered by many State's deceptive business practices laws.

In any case, proving shill bidding may be difficult. However, in my opinion, a platform that seeks to create a fair marketplace for buyers and sellers should give every effort to rooting out these bad actors. The appearance that the marketplace encourages, condones, or turns a blind eye to such behavior is unseemly and can damage the domain industry as a whole.

I have had good experiences with NameJet and I trust that, as an organization, they will strive to the utmost to provide a fair and safe marketplace. I suspect part of their approach may be to solicit even more help from the marketplace participants. I look forward to seeing how they address this difficult issue.</opinion>

 

[Chris Hydrick]

But I guess nothing really surprises me any more, because Oliver is back selling names again as far as I can tell: http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets

It appears Oliver is running at least three featured auctions on NameJet right now:
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms

Does anybody know NameJet's policy on running multiple featured auctions (FA)? I understand if somebody only sold 3L in their 3L FA, 4L in their 4L FA, Keyword domains in their Keyword FA etc... but are you allowed to rotate domains throughout multiple featured listings? Example below:

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3986860

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3956352

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3933320

It was listed another time, but I don't know which featured auction account it sold from.
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3803295

Here is another instance, only sold via two different FA, but it apparently sold twice, yet it kept getting auctioned out of what I think are OH account FA's.

Profiteroles.com sold to Pashas 411 days ago via FA 4ldotcoms >>> 228 days ago the domain sells to HKDN via FA 34coms >>> Now (in a few hours) the domain is about to sell via FA 34coms again.

(1) Why is Oliver still auctioning it if already sold twice on NameJet? First to Pashas, then to HKDN
(2) Who is HKDN? A lot of their domains have a Oliver Hoger digital footprint. That doesn't necessarily mean it's Oliver. Just saying, of the domains I checked, it wasn't uncommon to see an OH digital footprint..

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3987137

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3896861

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3829239

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3740687

 

[wwwweb]

It appears Oliver is running at least three featured auctions on NameJet right now:
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms

Does anybody know NameJet's policy on running multiple featured auctions (FA)? I understand if somebody only sold 3L in their 3L FA, 4L in their 4L FA, Keyword domains in their Keyword FA etc... but are you allowed to rotate domains throughout multiple featured listings? Example below:

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http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3986860

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http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3956352

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http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3933320

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It was listed another time, but I don't know which featured auction account.
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3803295

Here is another instance, only sold via two different FA, but it apparently sold twice, yet it kept getting auctioned out of what I think is OH account.

Profiteroles.com sold to Pashas 411 days ago via FA 4ldotcoms >>> 228 days ago the domain sells to HKDN via FA 34coms >>> Now (in a few hours) the domain is about to sell via FA 34coms again.

(1) Why is Oliver still auctioning it if it sold twice on NameJet? First to Pashas, then to HKDN
(2) Who is HKDN? A lot of their domains have a Oliver Hoger digital footprint. That doesn't necessarily mean it's Oliver. Just saying, of the domains I checked, it wasn't uncommon to see an OH digital footprint..

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http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3987137

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http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3896861

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http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3829239

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http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3740687

Very detailed report, would love to hear from Namejet for once.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Afternic sounds like it should be in DnJail

 

[Kate]

http://dnjail.com/

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Afternic sounds like it should be in DnJail

???

http://dnjail.com/

I'm familiar with DNJail, but am confused to why @MasterOfMyDomains said Afternic. Not sure if he meant NameJet should be in DNJail, or if he was talking about a NJ seller... Either way, shouldn't there be a "hearing" or "complete investigation" before somebody, some entity, or a ring of both goes to DNJail?

Hence, why I think an internal audit, and action by NameJet is still of the utmost importance. It's been three months since NameJet launched their investigation, and without knowing which accounts were suspended, it doesn't appear that much has changed.

In our current investigation certain auction activity has come to light that we deem questionable and a possible violation of our terms. This kind of activity is not acceptable to us and we are taking steps to deal with it. We have suspended several accounts while working through the information we have available.

Remember what the DomainKing @Rick Schwartz said the same day NameJet announced their investigation.

Mind you, @NameJetGM, hasn't responded to this thread since he announced several accounts were suspended on July 19th. Yet, does anyone know who's accounts were suspended? Were these accounts unsuspended?

According to the below screenshot from OnlineDomain.com, the month after these alleged suspensions occurred, August resulted in $332,995 in sales, compared to $744,035 in September.

https://onlinedomain.com/2017/10/10...ber-365-tv-everex-com-digitalphotography-com/

After seeing this drop in sales, I couldn't help but wonder if that drop was related to suspended seller accounts, and a possible steep decrease in inventory because of it. If this contributed to the decrease in sales, what influence did this have in deciding to (possibly) reinstate some of (or one) of the suspended sellers. Again, without knowing who / what accounts were suspended, this is just speculation.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Yes correct namejet not afternic
That is why grilled was confused
Ty for correcting me
Namejet.com should be in DnJail.com

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Now even if we take that story at face value, which is very hard to swallow, you offered up no explanation how you managed to bid in 148 of your own auctions from your "seek" account, which is not a bot. Ok, you're running dozens of auctions a day and own a large portfolio, mistakes can happen. But 148 times? Bidding so aggressively that you were the runner-up in 16 of them without recognizing the names? Even manually winning two that you already owned? That's pretty nutty.

@NameJetGM - How many times are you allowed to manually bid on your own auctions before (per NJ Shill Bidding TOS) account closure, cancellation of listings, referral to law enforcement, legal action, and/or forfeiture of fees or other funds collected?

Are you aware of the alleged apprx 148 auctions where, allegedly, [seek] manually bid on his own listings? Here's one:

[I don't have the auction ID for the $419 NJ sale that was reported sold on 2016-07-20]
Sold thru this suspected OH account: www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/6ifd5lvs

Then it sold to [seek] for $360 (on or around) 2016-10-04
Sold from this suspected OH account: www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/7syi4nah
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3840563

Then it was listed on (or around) July 8, 2017. It didn't hit reserve. HKDN bid to the minimum reserve range. Potentially, this could have been a next bid win auction.
Auctioned from this suspected OH account: namejet.com/featuredauctions/8fyd9zfl
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3951040

Historical WHOIS [click to open]

 

[wwwweb]

Anyone figure out who HKDN is yet?

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Anyone figure out who HKDN is yet?

Should we start a new thread, where we can share theories, digital footprints, and data to try and unmask HKDN?

 

[wwwweb]

Should we start a new thread, where we can share theories, digital footprints, and data to try and unmask HKDN?

All I tend to notice is they tend to setup up the bid right underneath the reserve, to bait the next bid, essentially the house's best ally.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

All I tend to notice is they tend to setup up the bid right underneath the reserve, to bait the next bid, essentially the house's best ally.

This has been stated many times. Perhaps best stated in bulk by Michael's statistics. I wish there was a more in depth breakdown. I'm not saying Michael missed anything, I'm just wondering what else his data may suggest if looked at from many angles.

@Domain Shane had raised an issue about HKDN / Oliver Hoger bidding prior to this thread.

Now that's out of the way. Yes. I called Jonathan about HDKN. I noticed his bids on the names I was bidding on and to me it looked unnatural. I was pissed that I lost Spreader.com to HDKN. I had not bid on names because he was setting his bids at reserve and I wasn't going to play that game. But this time I lost the name to him and he came in late. I was hot. I called again and simply said "if I find that name going back into Oliver Holgers account I am am going to go off" He told me that Marquee solutions was one of the biggest buyers on Namejet and they were legit. I did some homework and saw they bought a HUGE amount of names and maybe just maybe they were legit. And to this day its still in their account. Even though its in in that account it turns out I may have been right all along.

Like DomainGang's post today. I sleep very well. I knew there was shill bidding going on and I called the manager and told him. Which is more than most people have done. I called because it effected me and I thought it was BS. I am not a watchdog like Kosta but I do call directly to the head when I see something fishy. But I had no idea it was this deep. Yet it does not surprise me at all. The coding at Namejet is old and outdated. The backend is archaic and everyone with an API and scripts have more data than they do about who is bidding on what.

I think the industry needs Namejet. They have great inventory and we need good fresh inventory. But this has to be cleaned up. They have to be willing to ban people who break TOS regardless of how much they spend or bring in. Regardless of relationship. And since they didn't take me seriously, maybe now they will listen. And again, like DomainGang said. I do feel like I am an honest domainer and all honest domain investors should be pissed when another domain investor is stealing from you. That's not up for discussion

So, per @NameJetGM - HKDN is Marque Solutions.

Here is an example of their WHOIS: (Notice their phone number 248.1234567)

I'm out of historical WHOIS and bulk reverse WHOIS at DomainTools, so my historical WHOIS / data may be limited. If anybody else has access to paid tools DomainIQ, WHOISology, or any other programs that can trace / aggregate digital footprints, your help would be greatly appreciated. If you don't want to post and/or analyze the results yourself, please direct message it to me and I'll analyze and/or publish it. In the mean time, I will see what I can uncover.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Anyone figure out who HKDN is yet?

I will see what I can uncover.

I think the argument as to why HKDN bid on so many of Oliver Hoger's auctions was because HKDN was a buyer of short domains, which OH sells. Per OH:

Regarding HDKN:
I know HDKN and he is a big buyer of short domains, which is what I sell. I am not HDKN. I do not have access to HDKN account.

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed [or if it matters] but OH mispelled HKDN as HDKN HERE. This made it harder for me to find what OH had previously said about HKDN.

Not sure if this changes things but HKDN doesn't only bid and/or win short domains. HKDN also bids and or 5+ character domains as well. All of the below domains were sold from believed OH NJ accounts, and won by HKDN at no reserve. According to @Donny OH DRID is the current parking ID for the below four domains won by HKDN. Marque Solutions is also the WHOIS for the below four domains, meaning they would have had to update the WHOIS, just not the other details?

One of Oliver's domains is these.com, it has his name on the whois. The domain is pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has a DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

One of HDKN's domains is spreader.com, the whois shows that Marque Solutions with an email address of [email protected] owns the domain. The domain is also pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has the same exact DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

Domain: 449402.com
Auction Account: namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
Auction Listing: namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3956377
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Bid Time: July 5th, 2017 @ 2:51 PM
Reserve: No Reserve
Current Parking ID: as-drid-2397039701937088

Domain: 455027.com
Auction Account: namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
Auction Listing: namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3956377
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Bid Time: July 5th, 2017 @ 2:51 PM
Reserve: No Reserve
Current Parking ID: as-drid-2397039701937088

Domain: SoftFrames.com
Auction Account: http:// namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
Auction Listing: http:// namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3957205
Winning Bid: $69 (July 5th, 2017)
Winning Bid Time: July 5th, 2017 @ 2:51 PM
Reserve: No Reserve
Current Parking ID: as-drid-2397039701937088

Domain: Spreader.com
Auction Account: namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
Auction Listing: namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3931308
Winning Bid: $3,034
Winning Bid Time: May 30th, 2017 @ 10:33 AM
Reserve: No Reserve
Current Parking ID: as-drid-2397039701937088

The time stamps on the bid log for Spreader.com seem off...
HKDN placed the first backorder 1/27/2017 12:56 AM (Not sure if this was leftover from a previous listing)
The last order was placed by MarkMon at 5/25/2017 4:42 PM
The first bid above $69 was a $70 bid placed 5/26/2017 12:40 PM
There was a $1,001 bid 3 hours 52 minutes before the last backorder 5/25/2017 12:50 PM

[skipped to last backorder]

I think there was a possible explanation already provided earlier explaining why the DRID of HKDN domains may still match OH even after WHOIS change, not sure if that was confirmed or was still an angle to pursue to help identify HKDN.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

I don't know how much we can rely on WHOIS, and the sample size of my data set. Do not make assumptions based off the information I'm providing. Without having full records, bulk statistics will be biased towards the subset of data I'm able to find. ie

I searched 876 WHOIS for auctions won by HKDN. (including reserve met and reserve not met)
40 had Marque Solutions as current WHOIS
30 of those 40 Marque Solutions WHOIS domains have a confirmed historical OH digital footprint
4 of the 40 Marque Solutions WHOIS domains were 6 Character+ (ie not short domains)
335 had a OH WHOIS
145 under WHOIS privacy

 

[Chris Hydrick]

@promo -- In response to what I said HERE you said

If you list a name without reserve but you keep a secret reserve by shill bidding on the name, you are in fact deceiving people to think they have a chance to buy the name at a certain price point when no chance is there.

It makes it okay to deceive people if you are willing to pay the auction house commission??

In the same reply, in response to what MediaOptions said HERE you said

@MediaOptions
I dont want to go into a head to head with you on this. I am myself a party to behind the scenes info on this and I would prefer to keep out as much as possible.

Less than five hours after this thread was created, you publicly stated "I am a party to behind the scenes info on this and I would prefer to keep out as much as possible." If you have behind the scenes info related to this, why would you prefer to keep out as much as possible? Are you bound to Oliver through domain broker / domain owner confidentiality law(s) and/or agreement(s)?

I think the public would be interested in hearing what behind the scenes info you know [knew] about Oliver putting up the domains (that originally started this mess) for Andy Booth on NameJet.

You never know, the information you're publicly withholding could play a key role into understanding the full scope of what really happened when BQDN, BoothCom, and SEEK were bidding on domains being sold from Olivers Featured Auction with Mr. Booth WHOIS info.

You then accused MediaOptions of bidding on one of his LLL.COMs he had another seller put up.

Two things though:
1: I know you cant teach business ethics to someone who does not want to hear it.
2: its against the TOS you agreed to when you signed up at NJ. I know you do it yourself since its not more than 3 months since you bid on one of your LLL.COMs you had another seller put up. Not sure what came of that and frankly at this point I dont care.

So there. I said my peace. If you want to have further discussion with me, we can have it through PM.

To which I replied

Do you have any proof to support that allegation/accusation? Or do I need to retract my 'Friday' reaction?

After I wrote a disclaimer summarizing what had been said about MediaOptions thus far was just allegations without hard proof connecting them to shill bidding. You mocked me by saying...

#tailbetweenlegs
#sosorrysir
#finallysomeoneelsepostsinthisthread

Mind you, in my disclaimer, I quoted a 6N.com to which it hadn't been 100% verified that it had sold from a MediaOptions featured NameJet auction or not. That specific allegation has since been verified to show SeafoodMan did in fact bid on, and win a domain sold from featured auction MediaOptions. Ironically, this 6N.com later sold to OP via NameJet.

I'm not a lawyer, nor did I consult one prior to writing that disclaimer. So I can't say for sure if that disclaimer would have helped mitigate and/or limit any potential damages which may have stemmed from people like you who (without providing proof) accused MediaOptions of things such as bidding on their own 3L.com which was auctioned from somebody else's account. To me, this is a serious accusation. Maybe I missed where you either (a) provided proof to support your allegation or (b) retracted your statement and issued a public apology.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

I've found almost 30 domains that HKDN owns that go to the same account that Oliver has with ParkingCrew. This can't be a mistake.

@Donny - Since your much more experienced in the world of Domain Parking, maybe you can try and make sense of this... In the attached files you will see 50+ of HKDN domains that currently have Olivers DRID.

I looked up 100 domains that was once (or still is ((which is most))) registered to HKDN.

A lot were forwarded to a UNI for sales page.

63 of the 100 were parked domains containing an as-drid in the page source.

54 of these 63 domains are currently using what's believed to be Oliver's DRID-2397039701937088

The other +/- 9 appear to be domains that were sold to HKDN from somebody besides Oliver.

(note I'm a rookie when it comes to domain parking. check my work before taking my word for it)

ie EHK goes from Oliver > HKDN > @QQ.com email address for Yanming C.

Some of the domains on the attached list may no longer be owned by HKDN. That means HKDN would have had to sell them, as their email was once attached to the WHOIS. I don't believe they were resold on NameJet. If so, I would like to know what HKDN featured auction account is.

Some domains go from HKDN to Oliver.

UWY.net

OYT.net

.CSV = WHOIS
.TXT = DRID + notes

 

[Chris Hydrick]

I did a little digging myself into the featured seller account mentioned initially. These featured pages seem to all be Oliver Hoger's:

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/6ifd5lvs
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/8fyd9zfl
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/9rev0pcj

It appears Oliver is running at least three featured auctions on NameJet right now:
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms

Does anybody know NameJet's policy on running multiple featured auctions (FA)? I understand if somebody only sold 3L in their 3L FA, 4L in their 4L FA, Keyword domains in their Keyword FA etc... but are you allowed to rotate domains throughout multiple featured listings? Example below:

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/34coms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3986860

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3956352

http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/4ldotcoms
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3933320

It was listed another time, but I don't know which featured auction account it sold from.
http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3803295

I'm confused on how accurate the More domains from this seller - click here link is.

Using the example Amandas.com
Auction: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3956352
More domains from this seller - click here redirects: http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/hotdotnets

So [because more domains from this seller redirects to featured auction /hotdotnets] does that mean Amandas.com was auctioned from featured auction /hotdotnets 110 days ago around July 19th, 2017 (ie around the time this thread was created)?

The earliest screenshot on Archive.org for /hotdotnets is September 4th, 2017.

According to the below screenshot from July 19th, 2017 Amandas.com was listed in featuredauction/6ifd5lvs

Any ideas what happened here?