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Am I missing out by not listing on BrandBucket, BrandPa,Squadhelp?

Labeled as question in Domain Selling and Domain Sales, started by WhoaDomain.com, Jun 28, 2020

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  1. Samer

    Samer Top Contributor VIP

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    Dude SH is so hard approval. 10% i believe!
    BrandBucket is selective approvals too.
    “BB SH pubished” has value just for published
    I dont think “BP published” matters
    They publish all the names; “Just pay fee”
    always chuckle to myself when see “BP publis”

    Samer
     
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  2. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account

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    I always wondered that with all those "BP published". I try to track most of them. The assumption is that since people seem to feel the need to use that tactic then maybe it's working for them and maybe I should try it? then again I'd have to actually go thru with trying to get my domains listed at brandbucket. :wtf:

    I'd love to hear some truthful "stats" on whether it "works" to put that label on their "make offers" or even auctions.
     
  3. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account

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    I have a Sedo account simply because I have invested in several CCTLD's and it's the only game in town as far as those extensions. You would think Godaddy would allow all CCTLD's in their auctions
     
  4. alcy

    alcy Top Contributor VIP

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    there can exist no stats cause if they force u to use their lander u will never know if that domain would have sold if u had it on afternic lander.. or bodis.. or dan or whatever else.
    all u can do is say that logic dictates it would have sold.
    buyer doesnt care which lander he buys thru if he wants yer name.
     
  5. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes Top Member NameTalent VIP Gold Account Trusted Blogger

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    I have some of the same feelings you express in your OP @WhoaDomain.com . Personally, as of now, I have never submitted a domain to any of the brandable places or even set up accounts at them. I did go through the numbers for BB, and even though their commissions are higher than the general marketplace options, the analysis suggested that people overall do well compared to the domain industry as a whole. I see that SH have recently released some numbers, and may try to do something similar for them.

    To me, whether the commission is high, or even if they require exclusivity, are not the main questions, but rather is a domain name more likely to sell there with a higher price. If so, it makes sense. I do plan to try a few at the brandable places, just have not done so yet.

    I think that what the brandable places bring is people actively looking for a brand name, ready to close a sale, and expecting to pay a reasonable price. They also build trust compared to listing on a personal website, in most cases.

    What names should go there, by my way of thinking, is of course ones they would accept. but also names that in general someone would not guess. If you have a name that it is likely a lot of people might guess and check availability, it probably makes sense to stick with the regular marketplaces and a good lander, in my opinion.

    I think that the brandable places should be considered as one option, from many, ways to potentially get names seen. Whether exclusivity is worth the price of that exposure depends on the name. I had not realized that SH allowed simultaneous listing on Afternic for a one-time fee until @Samer mentioned it above. Is the fee significant?

    Just my thoughts. Have a good day everyone. Someday I hope to join those of you who are successful at the brandable marketplaces! :xf.smile:

    Bob
     
  6. Haroon Basha

    Haroon Basha IZUQ.COM VIP Gold Account

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    I have been listing my names at Sedo, Afternic, Epik, Dan, Brandbucket, Brandpa and SquadHelp. Really I do not want to criticize any marketplace above, as I have sold scores of names there except @SquadHelp and @Epik.com , where I am trying their performance since one month only. If your name is good, the buyer will find you out anyway.
    Here I must admit the fact that SH is running fantastic ad campaigns these days for all Premium names, that will give your names a big exposure.
     
  7. Bohdan

    Bohdan Established Member

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    I had about 40 with BB, after 2 years of zero sales - delisted all names and pointed them to DAN.
    I have 43 names with SH. About 1.5 year - zero sales. By the way, Wirecard Bank, that issued my Payoneer card filed for insolvency and Financial Conduct Authority freezing all prepaid card activity. Since I can only withdraw funds to Payoneer, I'm thinking about leaving them too.
    I had about 5 names with BP, after a year or so - delisted them all.
    All my sales mostly through DAN. Though it depends on your prices and types of domains, that you are trying to sell on those marketplaces.
     
  8. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account

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    Thanks. Can you give examples of these "fantastic ad campaigns these days for all Premium names"?

    I'd like to see. I personally have never seen any.
     
  9. Samer

    Samer Top Contributor VIP

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    If the name submitted, with "1 SH Coin" ($1 at submission) then free to list afternic after.
    If domain nnot approved via coin; is one-time fee; 2 coins ($2)
    1 SH coin costs $1.

    Here are five domains selected;

    Squadhelp describes Afternic-cost;
    Allowed to list on Afternic Squadhelp.PNG


    VERY IMPORTANT:
    Before Submit to SH

    Go to "Seller Preferences" - Choose "Submit with coin"
    "Submit with coin" IS NOT the option SH selected start
    Reduces commission 32.5% to 30%, faster approval time, afternic included! (free lo list after)
    Cannot recommend enough; Even if just "trying out" PLEASE submit all with SH coins
    Pick;  Submit with 1 squadhelp coin..PNG
    PLEASE DO THIS FIRST. FOUND the HARD WAY;
    Makes world's difference.

    Samer
     
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  10. Recons.Com

    Recons.Com Top Contributor VIP

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    You have fantastic analytical skills and ability to write down the thoughts in a bite-sized easy to digest way.

    So even more surprising that you don't act on your thoughts ))

    You are absolutely correct. The value-add from those services comes from selling at higher rate. I wouldn't say at higher price, because the sweet-spot of domain pricing is well established and some not knowing the value of what they hold and selling at low to mid $xxx doesn't mean much for that. But selling at higher rate is the expected standard for those places. Given that they take roughly 1/3 of your revenue, they should also be selling at least at 50% higher rate than your own landers and 20% higher than Afternic and its landers (or about 40% Dan's landers).

    I said "at least", because actually needs to be even higher because of all the hassle of listing, submitting, describing it etc. and, often, paying fees.

    So, I'd say if the marketplace is at around 1.5% sell-through, you are indifferent to selling yourself. Yes, they sell more, but they also take more and cost more, plus no flexibility. For me, 2% is the threshold where I see that the marketplace is really adding value via the logos, trust, connections, ads etc.

    The best performer by far was Brandroot before they engaged in stupid redesign and lost their SEO advantages and eventually got sold out to BB...

    SH showed unbelievable numbers for short while fueled by contests, seo, ads etc., but grew too fast and did some mistakes that resulted in STR going down 4-5 times already and on further decline. Furthermore, I have personally never witnessed those numbers on my personal experience with them, so not sure what was needed for some to benefit from those. Definitely, coming later and passively listing did not show any super-numbers. In fact, I had around 100 names approved, listed half first, but did not get to the other half because of the time it was taking to descibe. And guess what, 5 (!!!) of the unlisted batch sold via Afternic and direct, while just 1 of the listed batch sold by SH... I did list the remaining unlisted ones too now once they stopped requiring descriptions, but I am still at 1 sale with them ))

    Still, I am patient and I also have studied stats and decision making in great detail and at top level, so I am ok to give it time.
     
  11. karmaco

    karmaco Top Contributor VIP

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    First of all,Samer failed to mention they implemented that only 90 days ago,Before that, they had subjective review process like all others— So BP approved was accurate. I don’t know about you but I don’t need a Marketplace to tell me if a name is good or not. Upon thinking further @WhoaDomain.com I think any of the markets would be good for you. They force you to name a price and stick with it. Not sure if that is up your alley.
     
  12. Samer

    Samer Top Contributor VIP

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    Purposely left out change of business plan.
    Now have tell; before after, and even so;
    Now best value in BP published;;
    Paid the listing fee for you!”

    Ya love BP, since they charge you lower fee;
    let’s limit outrage new clients feel disvalued;
    Highlighted yellow; what bothers me the most;
    116DA263-FCD1-48FF-BF22-D3444C4E11D7.jpeg
    Samer
     
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  13. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account

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    by the way. are there other sites similar to Brandbucket and brandpa and squadhelp that I did not know about and therefore did not mention here?
     
  14. Samer

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    Namerific; but they have a perpetual clause.

    If approved, You must stay list them for life

    Not sure if exclusive? must stay for life. You have to fight tooth, nail to remove off Namerific

    Squadhelp; stay 7 days after request to de-list

    I have one name with Namerific;
    They’re not really too popular;
    Foddler (.) com

    I knew all that going in. Not sure of rest
     
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  15. Recons.Com

    Recons.Com Top Contributor VIP

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    No one has the right to demand perpetuity. Regardless of their TOS.
     
  16. Haroon Basha

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    Sorry, I do not represent SquadHelp.com
     
  17. AEProgram

    AEProgram Top Contributor VIP Blue Account

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    great post, by the way where do they advertise?
     
  18. Haroon Basha

    Haroon Basha IZUQ.COM VIP Gold Account

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    I saw a lot of SH ads by Google Adwords in hundreds of websites. @WhoaDomain.com
     
  19. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes Top Member NameTalent VIP Gold Account Trusted Blogger

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    I prefer to think of it that I just move really slowly to act on my own analysis/thoughts. :xf.grin:
    I fully plan to try out the brandable places, just have not actually done so yet.

    In my early domain investing I did not have many names suitable, and still don't have a ton, but I definitely see a place for the domainable markets and do plan to use them.

    And I do agree with your point, that I see was a little unclear in my initial post, that both the sell-through rate and the net proceeds are important in deciding if a venue is important.

    Bob
     
  20. tracey sclater

    tracey sclater Established Member

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    Hi from my experience so far
    BrandBucket. 31 names listed 1 year 12 weeks listed no sales.
    BrandPa 30 names listed . Under 6 months . No sales that's OK given the time.
    SquadHelp 6 so called premiums, 3 basic pluses no sales but short time frame .
    Dan 2 failed sales OK that's life but 1 sale on a misspell Freestufff.com.
    Hope this helps Cheers.
     
  21. RozasMD

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    FWIW, I'll throw some ratio-comparison about my experience with these marketplaces.

    BB - 200+ portfolio
    BP - 150+ portfolio
    SH - Recently started to build my portfolio there - About 30 names right now, not enough names & time to reach any conclussion yet
    'Regular' marketplaces (GD, Afternic, Sedo Dan, Epik etc) - 150+ portfolio


    Here's my experience:

    Better sell-through ratio on BP than the rest. But I also feel the quality of the portfolio is slightly better too. Also higher average in-pocket money per sale.

    BB and 'regular' marketplace ratios are quite similar. Similar overall sell-through ratio, similar in-pocket per sale (money after commission). But I have the feeling I started my BB portfolio by buying some low quality names just because they were 'BB-approved' - big mistake. I started to optimize my portfolio a couple of years ago and ratios have improved a little.

    Everything looks much slower in 2020 though in all and every marketplace.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  22. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account

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    I've never looked into SquadHelp.

    But from the "sound" of this SH coin. I'm surprised someone did not just created a domain name penny auction.

    It's the same concept isn't it? You buy tokens to place bids?

    I've always loved the ingenuity of Penny Auctions. I always wonder "how the hell do these sites make money?" Then I looked into it and it's pretty slick.

    It basically feeds into the human need to "place a bet" it's literally like betting your "offer" and see if you get outbid. and then you "bet" again. The reward is getting a pair of Air jordans for $5. lol
     
  23. Samer

    Samer Top Contributor VIP

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    What? you buy tokens to not wait 45 days like Brandbucket to say simple “approve” “decline”
    I get the answer approve or decline in days

    I already told you; 32.5% commission to 30%

    ability list afternic is included if submit w/ coin;
    These coins cost $1 each with
    have buy minimum 5 coins; cost is $5.
     
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  24. Samer

    Samer Top Contributor VIP

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    You dont buy coins to place bids;

    Anyone can place bids.

    Buy coins to save time, money, effort listing SH
     
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  25. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account

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    got it got it. I'm just saying the concept of buying "tokens" reminds me of a penny auction scenario.
     

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