Justin Bieber Deport Petition: The White House Responds In Statement

Wussy we have for a president!
Damn, he has a pen, he could just sign an executive order.
Or get the BLM to take Bieber out.

EXACTLY! Why does he have to be our problem?

iowadawg said:

Wussy we have for a president!
Damn, he has a pen, he could just sign an executive order.
Or get the BLM to take Bieber out.

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Archangel said:

EXACTLY! Why does he have to be our problem?

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Because we can charge him massive taxes and legal fees. Hes a cash machine you want. Hes not an axe murder.

USA would tax his earnings in the USA if he was back in Canada where he belongs.

So no tax loss by sending scum back to the land of his birth.

A lot more things going on in this country that needs much more attention than Justin Bieber...
We got a government that's extorting most of our income from us, our rights all slowly being taken away, we're becoming a police state, the NSA is spying on everyone and all we can do is come up with some petition to deport a pop singer.

This petition just shows how the US has become such a dumbed down simple minded society and it's embarrassing.

Please don't deport him to australia !

evirtual1 said:

Please don't deport him to australia !

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Justin Bieber: 'Have I been to Australia?'

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/justin-bieber-have-i-been-to-australia-20140311-34ij1.html

johname said:

Justin Bieber: 'Have I been to Australia?'

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/justin-bieber-have-i-been-to-australia-20140311-34ij1.html

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Yep and apparently la la land

I can't agree with you. You're forgetting those teeny-bopper kids will rule the country someday. They'll make our decisions and keep America afloat. If we have a bad generation coming up, then we're all at risk in the future. It might seem trivial/dumb to focus on Bieber and bad pop stars, but ppl like Bieber influence the future of America. Best to right the ship before it goes too far astray.

Whogister said:

A lot more things going on in this country that needs much more attention than Justin Bieber...
We got a government that's extorting most of our income from us, our rights all slowly being taken away, we're becoming a police state, the NSA is spying on everyone and all we can do is come up with some petition to deport a pop singer.

This petition just shows how the US has become such a dumbed down simple minded society and it's embarrassing.

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Why do people hate bieber so much? He's the man.

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Archangel said:

I can't agree with you. You're forgetting those teeny-bopper kids will rule the country someday. They'll make our decisions and keep America afloat. If we have a bad generation coming up, then we're all at risk in the future. It might seem trivial/dumb to focus on Bieber and bad pop stars, but ppl like Bieber influence the future of America. Best to right the ship before it goes too far astray.

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Instead of making a better world for our kids, we should be more preoccupied in making better kids for our world

This thinking is a reason society is so messed up--ppl like you tend to think "make better kids to rule the world, not a better world for the kids." You are seemingly in a belief that parents are 'fit' when in fact, the vast majority of ALL PARENTS IN THE WORLD are unfit. Making better kids in essence, seems like a good idea but adults have corrupted the world beyond repair. Even if we made better kids, the world will drag them down to disgraceful levels. Why waste time making a better kid when the world will take all your hard work & fist-f*ck it to he point of being a total waste of time?

GILSAN said:

Instead of making a better world for our kids, we should be more preoccupied in making better kids for our world

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Archangel said:

This thinking is a reason society is so messed up--ppl like you tend to think "make better kids to rule the world, not a better world for the kids." You are seemingly in a belief that parents are 'fit' when in fact, the vast majority of ALL PARENTS IN THE WORLD are unfit. Making better kids in essence, seems like a good idea but adults have corrupted the world beyond repair. Even if we made better kids, the world will drag them down to disgraceful levels.

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Wow.... I suggest you re-read my post again before shooting in all directions and assuming that I think "that parents are 'fit' when in fact I think precisely the opposite.

You really have a pet hate for me, to the point of interpreting the things I say as having the opposite meaning. If you don't understand the essence of what I said then it's totally pointless carrying on this conversation.

Archangel said:

Why waste time making a better kid when the world will take all your hard work & fist-f*ck it to he point of being a total waste of time?

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"fist-f*ck it" Would you please speak in normal English so that the world can understand what the hell you're talking about?

There is only 1 interpretation that one could derive from your statement. But if you agree that not all parents are 'fit,' then it's good enough for me. No, I have no hate for anyone. I don't even hate Osama. Hate is a very sick thing, and I try to stay as far from it as I can.

In "normal English", I was simply saying there is no point in trying to make a better kid when the rest of the world will bring that kid of yours down. It's not a serious deal having an older kid explain to your kid that Santa isn't real. But if a kid raised by asshole parents tells your kid that stealing is no big deal or drinking & smoking weed at the age of 8 is no big deal, what would you say to that? You've tried your best just to have an unfit parent's kids teach yours that everything you've taught them is stupid and wrong. Why make a better kid when the rest of the world will erase 100% of your hard work? There is no sense in focusing on making better kids. That's not the problem. Assholes like Bieber are--they influence more than parents ever could.

maxx500 said:

Why do people hate bieber so much? He's the man.

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Get off the grass … or get on it

Archangel said:

I don't even hate Osama. Hate is a very sick thing, and I try to stay as far from it as I can.

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You don't hate Osama? Oh you are such a forgiving person. He kills 3000 Americans in 9/11, plus hundreds more elsewhere, not to mention the many dozens of thousands non-Americans around the world and all the terror that he's bought to the world, but you don't even hate him.

And yet you were extremely upset about the Retards who wanted to maintain a portrait of Jesus hanging in the school where it's been for 65 years.

You were even ready to walk over to the school & destroy it. Your words... not mine. Here is what you said on the first post on the Religious Thread:

"They should just take the stupid thing down but nah, they have to be all self-righteous ie retarded. I'm sick of it. It's not the pic I don't like (I'm Christian). But the displaying of it is horrible. Seriously, if it was a painting of Lucifer, it'd have been removed long ago. But because it's the "most popular" figure, it's embraced. TAKE THE F***ING THING DOWN! It'll stop all drama & we can move on. I'd just about walk over to the school & destroy it. I could--it's not far away.

The point is: Not EVERYONE is Christian. And some actually are offended by this. One woman actually had staff tell her, "If you don't like this, home-school your kids!" And THAT is supposed to be a solution to offending people? Stupid-ass school board."

What else can I say about your hypocrisy? Your words say it all

Archangel said:

In "normal English", I was simply saying there is no point in trying to make a better kid when the rest of the world will bring that kid of yours down. It's not a serious deal having an older kid explain to your kid that Santa isn't real. But if a kid raised by asshole parents tells your kid that stealing is no big deal or drinking & smoking weed at the age of 8 is no big deal, what would you say to that? You've tried your best just to have an unfit parent's kids teach yours that everything you've taught them is stupid and wrong. Why make a better kid when the rest of the world will erase 100% of your hard work? There is no sense in focusing on making better kids. That's not the problem. Assholes like Bieber are--they influence more than parents ever could.

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Wow... When you talk about the "Rest of the World" are you talking about "America" or "Rest of the World"? Because there is a big difference

And when you talk about Assholes like Bieber, then you should also add Assholes like Miley Cyress and Assholes like Gangsta Rapers, just to name a few.

BTW, from what I understand, Bieber's parents are a bunch of greedy Assholes, so that's probably why he became one.

Since you seem to be an expert on Assholes, why are so many Assholes following and idolizing Bieber - the Asshole?

1.) You are correct: add Miley etc. to the list of terrible influences

2.) "The entire world" was a generalization, though it's probably bad to paint the entirety of the planet with the stigma. So lemme rephrase that to"America" & not the whole world.

3.) Your words are irrelevant: I stated that I do not hate, and you replied that I was saying I forgive. "Not hating" has no correlation to forgiveness. Otherwise you were talking nonsense, hoping ppl would believe you were making a point. It didn't work.

4.) I'm Aquarian. We aren't known for our forgiveness.

Seriously you're trying to stir the pot by talking about things that have no meaning (and making up things as you go to further your agenda). Funny that you constantly reconstruct my words to make arguments with. I do like ya--you're an opinionated guy--but how you get "Randy forgives Osama" from a declarative statement such as "I don't hate anyone" is beyond me.

BTW Your last sentence answers the entire case Why do ppl follow him? Answer from the 'expert at assholes': Because he is idolized, as you said. Kids follow the current vogue, no matter how bad an influence it is. And that undermines a parent's attempts to teach their kids ethics. There once again is the answer to why making better kids--opposed to a better world--is a worthless waste of time: the world will undermine your efforts, and the kids are really just raised by the media and cultural icons to begin with.

Archangel said:

I'm Aquarian. We aren't known for our forgiveness.

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Archangel said:

I do like ya--you're an opinionated guy

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Good.... thanks

Archangel said:

BTW Your last sentence answers the entire case Why do ppl follow him? Answer from the 'expert at assholes': Because he is idolized, as you said.Kids follow the current vogue, no matter how bad an influence it is.And that undermines a parent's attempts to teach their kids ethics. There once again is the answer to why making better kids--opposed to a better world--is a worthless waste of time: the world will undermine your efforts, and the kids are really just raised by the media and cultural icons to begin with.

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OK here's were we don't agree. You say "Kids follow the current vogue, no matter how bad an influence it is"A large % of Kids in the US look like clones of one another. They seem to do the exact things, their opinions are the same, their likes and dislikes are the same, they all play video games, they all watch MTV were they get their education on morals, they all watch Hollywood movies, that teach them how to be, greedy, nasty, violent and dumb.

BTW, when I say "they all" I'm talking about that large % of Kids in the US, because the rest are damn smart and normal and it's precisely those that I'm talking about (making better kids)

Ask a kid who invented pasteurization and he won't have a clue but I'll bet he knows who invented Facebook. Ask a kid about the countries involved in World War II and he/she will just stare at you without an answer, but I'm sure they can explain everything in detail about the film "The Exterminator"

Where are the parents in all this? They, along with American society are to blame for the dumbed down kids roaming the streets of the US. It's mostly the parents fault in my opinion.

In Europe we also have dumbed down kids, thanks in part to influences from American society (MTV, Hollywood etc.) but thankfully not in the quantities that you find in the US, exception made for the UK.

So I still think that we (parents and society) should concentrate on making better kids for this world, because then they will make a better world for all. Better kids are the foundation for a better world, not the other way round.

And that's my opinionated opinion for the day

We seem to believe the same general thought, though we are getting different beliefs from the idea. You've pretty much explained why I believe as I do: Hollywood, the music scene, TV etc. are what influence the youth. Making better kids IS a good idea, but starting at that level is a mistake, as putting kids in a world like this destroys all chances/hopes of a good kid coming outta the mold. If your kid is STILL good by the time it grows up, it's from luck more than anything. Imagine you made a really nice cake, with the best ingredients, yet the oven was too hot. The issue is with the ENVIRONMENT, not the product. It wouldn't matter if the cake batter was made with a different brand of flour or starch. What matters is the OVEN IS TOO HOT. Same with kids: it doesn't matter how much insight into the world & ethical sense you instill into a child. The ENVIRONMENT will damage the product (the kid). So yeah, creating better kids is a good thing, but that is impossible to do unless you change the environment--like taking the cake outta the oven prematurely or introverting a child. Neither is feasible :p

The nature/nurture debate has a long history.

Yeah, which is why I really don't wanna get into this. I had to debate myself to write my last message-well, the one before this one :p

verbster said:

The nature/nurture debate has a long history.

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Archangel said:

We seem to believe the same general thought, though we are getting different beliefs from the idea. You've pretty much explained why I believe as I do: Hollywood, the music scene, TV etc. are what influence the youth. Making better kids IS a good idea, but starting at that level is a mistake, as putting kids in a world like this destroys all chances/hopes of a good kid coming outta the mold. If your kid is STILL good by the time it grows up, it's from luck more than anything. Imagine you made a really nice cake, with the best ingredients, yet the oven was too hot. The issue is with the ENVIRONMENT, not the product. It wouldn't matter if the cake batter was made with a different brand of flour or starch. What matters is the OVEN IS TOO HOT. Same with kids: it doesn't matter how much insight into the world & ethical sense you instill into a child. The ENVIRONMENT will damage the product (the kid). So yeah, creating better kids is a good thing, but that is impossible to do unless you change the environment--like taking the cake outta the oven prematurely or introverting a child. Neither is feasible :p

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"If your kid is STILL good by the time it grows up" it's mostly because of good parenting and a bit of luck too.

Your example about baking a cake in a Hot oven is good, but.... if you (parent) were to teach that person (kid) that the oven should be at a certain temperature and that person is willing to learn then he/she will bake a fantastic cake that even Iowadawg (a Namepros connoisseur of fine foods, bacon and cakes) would approve of.

Even I would jump into line for the first slice :D

So I still maintain that it's the parents who are doing a bad job of teaching their kids. Time to go back to old style parenting, were common sense prevailed and most kids were worthy members of society

Sometimes, you'd get a kid with no real agenda who'll see that oven & turn it up, just in the namesake of chaos. I suppose I think a lot of this because of an accident I was in 4 years ago. Some punk kid drove down a highway without headlights and the prick almost killed me (and DID kill my friend). Things happen, for whatever reasons. He was taught to not drive at 55-65mph in the dark without headlights, yet he did anyway--resulting in a death and a near-death (me). You'll always have kids 'messing with the temperature,' for whatever reasons. Maybe they hate you or maybe, they just wanna see the cake fail. Who knows?

But we are both on the right side with Iowadawg's cakes. I'd love a slice :D