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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

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    9.5%
  • Democrats

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    22.3%
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Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun :)

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That's because you have a community, where people are bonded by family, neighbors, social groups, churches and friends - and where reputation is the most valuable thing people have. As government moves in, they begin to take over all the functions of these things, eventually destroying society and replacing it with a prison of strangers bound by endlessly restrictive laws.

Don't make assumptions...it took many years to achieve a sense of peace and pride. There have been many restrictions imposed, traumas and obstacles to overcome etc. etc. Not to mention, a nation created by God is lost when men forget who gave it to them in the first place.
 
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That's because you have a community, where people are bonded by family, neighbors, social groups, churches and friends - and where reputation is the most valuable thing people have. As government moves in, they begin to take over all the functions of these things, eventually destroying society and replacing it with a prison of strangers bound by endlessly restrictive laws.

But you are right on some of these points: reputation is paramount, just as is respect for others and for the land. I have very little respect for those who see themselves as being entitled. Many millenials, esp alt-right millenials have a sense of displaced entitlement - the discontent they feel when one compares their position in life to others who they feel are equal or inferior, but have unfairly had more success or privilege than them.

As for government interference, that's a no-brainer. We've discussed that ad nauseum. Why is it that trumpers are so adamant against immigrants? They want to protect what they feel is rightfully theirs by birthright, no? Think about how that has played out historically. Who has been displaced from their land, traditions, culture, language etc.?

Imposition and restrictions? So what if you have to wear a mask or self-isolate for awhile, don't have a big hissy fit about it. Covid too, shall pass. :xf.wink:
 
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... where reputation is the most valuable thing people have.


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“Desires for material things have limits - most people really only want or need one dishwasher, or one or two cars - but desire for emotional needs like status, love, acceptance and autonomy are bottomless. Tying material goods to nonmaterial desires ensures people are never satisfied with what they have. It’s how we’ve convinced some of the most materially rich citizens in history that they don’t have enough.”

Get off the hamster wheel, folks! :xf.wink:
 
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President Trump addressed Mike Lindell's "Frank Speech" Rally in Wisconsin with a video cast,
 
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Perfect call, and the Mexican counterpart was grateful
"Muchas gracias Presidente Trump"

Contrast with the creep who showed up at G-7

 
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Perfect call, and the Mexican counterpart was grateful
"Muchas gracias Presidente Trump"

The Mexican president was very cordial and professional, meanwhile Trump says, "Hello Enrique" Enrique who? Trump just made a deal with Canada, lol. Perfect! :xf.laugh::ROFL::xf.laugh:
 
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There have been many restrictions imposed, traumas and obstacles to overcome ie. broken treaties; racial segregation; forced relocation; forcing children away from their families; substandard living conditions and education; residential school horrors; imposed religion; police targeting; dispropotionate incarceration; corporate destruction and pollution of land, water and air; recovery from addiction; gang warfare; insidious and systemic racism etc. etc.

You are describing the actions of government in most cases. The rest may also be indirect results of those actions. Seems to completely support what I said.

Why is it that trumpers are so adamant against immigrants?

Just because non-Trumpers endlessly say that doesn't make it so. Let's not confuse the desire for reasonable immigration controls with being anti-immigrant.
Many immigrants also supportTrump. I think this is just another baseless accusation that gets repeated as fact ad nauseam.
 
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The Mexican president was very cordial and professional, meanwhile Trump says, "Hello Enrique" Enrique who? Trump just made a deal with Canada, lol. Perfect! :xf.laugh::ROFL::xf.laugh:
You're grasping at straws, unearthed a 3 years old video of The President calling another President by his name, what a desperate little prick you are.
Trump addressed Mr. Nieto concerns regarding Canada during the call, he said that the best thing he can do is to tariff their cars. Is that what are you loling at?
 
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You are describing the actions of government in most cases. The rest may also be indirect results of those actions. Seems to completely support what I said.

I'm not disqualifying that, it's been mostly government and church, partly societal, but things are changing. Everybody has to own up to themselves (at least).

Just because non-Trumpers endlessly say that doesn't make it so. Let's not confuse the desire for reasonable immigration controls with being anti-immigrant.
Many immigrants also supportTrump. I think this is just another baseless accusation that gets repeated as fact ad nauseam.

Good point. There are degrees of difference. We come from different tribes.

You're grasping at straws, unearthed a 3 years old video of The President calling another President by his name, what a desperate little prick you are.
Trump addressed Mr. Nieto concerns regarding Canada during the call, he said that the best thing he can do is to tariff their cars. Is that what are you loling at?

Nah, I just thought it was a funny video related to Canada, oops, I meant to say Mexico :whistle:

There is a definitely a trade deficit with the two countries in assembled vehicles and parts, but components and parts manufacturing have not been displaced by imports. What's wrong with "Free Trade"?

Old data, but interesting because it was from around the time of that comment: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R44907.pdf (fig.9-10, p.12)
 
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Nah, I just thought it was a funny video related to Canada, oops, I meant to say Mexico :whistle:

There is a definitely a trade deficit with the two countries in assembled vehicles and parts, but components and parts manufacturing have not been displaced by imports. What's wrong with "Free Trade"?

Old data, but interesting because it was around that time: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R44907.pdf (fig.9-10, p.12)
There is more to unfettered free trade than we can argue about here, but I think we can agree that it's not the best solution for the environment - I pick on this aspect since I know it's of most interest to you. There of course is the human exploitation aspect too, but let's stick to environmental concerns.

From the NAFTA and Motor Vehicle Trade link you posted, the same page with the figures, consider this for example: "a vehicle assembled in the United States has more than 10,000 parts that come from multiple producers in different countries and may travel back and forth across borders several times. One company producing seats for motor vehicles, for example, incorporates components from four different U.S. states and four Mexican locations into its products, with final assembly in the Midwest". By your stance against fossil fuel usage this is not environment friendly at all - not that I'm against fossil fuel, we've talked about CO2 before, but I bring this up just for you since I know you're against it.

From other sources, NAFTA's Impact on Mexico [Sierra Club], "According to Mexican government figures, the cost of NAFTA-related environmental damage in 1999 alone was an estimated $47 billion".
"Despite an anticipated rise in pollution levels, NAFTA did nothing to strengthen Mexico’s environmental protections. In fact, enforcement of environmental protections declined noticeably after NAFTA, and is often ignored by both corporations and the Mexican government."
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"The weakening of environmental standards by NAFTA has also caused the increased use of chemical intensive production methods in Mexico’s large commercial farms. These methods include the use of harmful pesticides and fertilizers that pollute land and water resources. Specifically, they contribute to high soil salinity, ground-level ozone, lake and river acidification, and the disruption of natural forest processes."

To sum it up, you can't have free trade if you don't have the same set of regulations in the participating countries - including environmental ones, and expect things not to go downhill from there, as in just creating entropy if you will.
 
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There is more to unfettered free trade than we can argue about here, but I think we can agree that it's not the best solution for the environment - I pick on this aspect since I know it's of most interest to you. There of course is the human exploitation aspect too, but let's stick to environmental concerns.

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Good answer. I'm not against making stuff, far from it, I manufacture and export custom car parts to the US myself. I've just been taking a break, thanks for reminding me, I've got a bunch of orders to fill... time I got back to work, lol. :xf.wink:
 
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