question What's the value of LLLL.com?

redemo · Jun 5, 2021

What are the key INDICATORS of value in non-acronym abbreviation LLLL .com names? (randomly selected kkdh.com iwqp.com pqwm.com zxlp.com). I see wildly differing prices some starting only $ 99 on Namepros auctions and https://shortnames.com/llll on up to five digits sales https://namebio.com/. I'm a newbie so please withstand the urge to scold basic questions. I'm interested in adding some LLLL .com names to my portfolio but needs to be careful because even $ 99 is a lot of money to me right now. Cheers.

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

@FolioTeam @Bob Hawkes "Looking forward to when you post this" Same here. Cheers.

The Durfer · Jun 8, 2021

no x, w, y, z, v, j, q and p (i think) and all consonants eg, kgcr.com are a chinese premium.

The Durfer · Jun 8, 2021

p might be ok.

The Durfer · Jun 8, 2021

they really like double letters and triple letters.

The Durfer · Jun 8, 2021

i have a question, what does a quad letter premium go for? ty. (eg, LLLL.com MMMM.com)

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

@The Durfer "i have a question, what does a quad letter premium go for? ty. (eg, LLLL.com MMMM.com)" Excellent question mate. Here's what I found https://namebio.com/.

Domain Price Date Venue
iiii.com 8,166 USD 2004-09-07 SnapNames

Domain Price Date Venue
llll.com 78,744 USD 2012-02-20 NameJet
llll.com 9,343 USD 2012-04-27 GoDaddy
llll.com 5,644 USD 2011-01-12 Sedo
llll.com 5,644 USD 2008-09-25 Sedo

Domain Price Date Venue
vvvv.com 66,911 USD 2014-12-22 NameJet

The Durfer · Jun 8, 2021

redemo said:
@The Durfer "i have a question, what does a quad letter premium go for? ty. (eg, LLLL.com MMMM.com)" Excellent question mate. Here's what I found https://namebio.com/.

Domain Price Date Venue
iiii.com 8,166 USD 2004-09-07 SnapNames

Domain Price Date Venue
llll.com 78,744 USD 2012-02-20 NameJet
llll.com 9,343 USD 2012-04-27 GoDaddy
llll.com 5,644 USD 2011-01-12 Sedo
llll.com 5,644 USD 2008-09-25 Sedo

Domain Price Date Venue
vvvv.com 66,911 USD 2014-12-22 NameJet

Those are old prices now. I wonder if they have tripled or quadrupled since then? Hmmm

Alop · Jun 8, 2021

A 4L/4N can range from 100 dollars up to 1.5m

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

@The Durfer

www.aaaa.com can't be reached

www.bbbb.com redirects to www.weibo.com/sephirex

www.cccc.com is under construction

www.dddd.com can't be reached

www.eeee.com can't be reached

www.ffff.com is offering opportunities [email protected]

www.gggg.com is a directory by www.geometry.net

www.hhhh.com can't be reached

www.iiii.com isn't working

www.jjjj.com can't be reached

www.kkkk.com can't be reached

www.llll.com can't be reached

www.mmmm.com can't be reached

www.nnnn.com isn't working

www.oooo.com is seeking cooperation [email protected]

www.pppp.com can't be reached

www.qqqq.com can't be reached

www.rrrr.com is a health club directory by www.health-club.net

www.ssss.com is a blank page

www.tttt.com can't be reached

www.uuuu.com is an e mail address [email protected]

www.vvvv.com can't be reached

www.wwww.com is a sedo parking page

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Ttonker1 · Jun 8, 2021

@DuDD did not mean to challenge, was trying to like the comment.

gilescoley · Jun 8, 2021

redemo said:
@Compassion I have also looked at the LLL com market mate. 17576 options If google is not mistaken. The name bio website says 189 LLL com deals since 2018 only three were under the $ 10000. Last month amq.com went for $ 30000, jfx.com went for $ 43500, pee.com went for $ 39900 Most transpired from sedo. I think LLL com is a game only played at the top table whence I'm dabbling my digits in LLLL com.

Some info for you on LLL sales

https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-lll-com-sales-report-discussion-thread.429599/

BrandPlease · Jun 8, 2021

From a old post on my site (Short Domain Name Guide)
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4L.com & Short Domain Name Guide
Note the definitions as they will be referenced below.

C = Character: When seen in a domain name listing, the number of C’s refers to the number of characters in a domain name. In the domain name industry, the term Character refers to either a Letter of the

English alphabet (A-Z) or a Number (0-9). A domain with many characters may have both many letters and many numbers.

L = Letter: When seen is a domain name listing, the number of L’s refers to the number of letters in a domain name.
N = Number: When seen in a domain name listing, the number of N’s refers to the number of numbers in a domain name.

Premium Short Domain Name: LLLL.com or Four Letter Names.
A premium domain name is a domain name composed exclusively of letters: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T.

These letters are referred to as “premium letters”. A premium LLLL.com is, in other words, an LLLL.com devoid of the letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z. These letters are commonly referred to as non-premium letters. The letters J,K,U,V,W,Y are considered by most domain investors to be of higher quality than the letters Q,X,Z. The letters: J,K,U,V,W,Y are commonly referred to as “semi-premium” letters, whereas Q,X,Z are referred to as “bad letters”. These terms are used strictly in a reseller setting and currently hold the largest weight in the 3 and 4 letter markets. More information on premium letters and premium domains will be provided in the 4 letter (LLLL) .com section which is included below.

As a general rule, Characters can be represented by Letters or Numbers. A 3 letter .com (LLL.com) is also considered a 3 Character .com (CCC.com). Likewise, a 2 number .com (NN.com) is also considered a 2 Character .com. Because LLL.coms and NNN.coms are so popular.

2 Character Domain Name

LL = 2 Letter .com: Two Letters from A-Z. They may be the same letter or different letters. Examples include: AA.com, BC.com, DJ.com, MX.com, YQ.com.
LN = Letter-Number .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: A1.com, B9.com, X2.com, Y5.com.
NL = Number-Letter .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 1A.com, 9B.com, 2X.com, 5Y.com. Notice the difference in letter-number placement between an LN.com and an NL.com.
NN = 2 Number .com: Two Numbers from 0-9. They may be the same or different numbers. Examples include 11.com, 21.com, 47.com, 90.com.

3 Character Domain Name

LLL = 3 Letter .com: Contains 3 Letters from A-Z. Examples include: AAB.com, ABC.com, JHD.com, OOO.com.
LLN = Letter-Letter-Number .com: Two Letters from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: JH7.com, KL4.com, MM8.com, ZX2.com.
LNL = Letter-Number-Letter .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9, which is followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: B2B.com, G4S.com, B3G.com, Y2K.com.
LNN =Letter-Number-Number .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by Two Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: C93.com, D22.com, B16.com, W40.com.
NLL =Number-Letter-Letter .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by Two Letters from A-Z. Examples include: 4DD.com, 3NT.com, 7WJ.com, 9QS.com.
NLN = Number-Letter-Number .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z, which is followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: 2D4.com, 5Y7.com, 6R1.com, 3F2.com.
NNL = Number-Number-Letter .com: Two Numbers from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 40A.com 66V.com, 75J.com, 91R.com.
NNN = 3 Number .com: Contains 3 Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: 123.com, 300.com, 444.com, 747.com. 4 Characters
LLLL = 4 Letter .com: Contains 4 Letters from A-Z. Below we define different types of 4 Letter .coms.

Anti-Premium Domain Name:
A domain name that contains only non-premium letters. An anti-premium domain is a domain which is composed strictly of letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z.

The term Anti-Premium is most commonly applied to 4 Letter .coms, however it also makes a good adjective to describe the 3 letter short domain name selling near min wholesale as well. Examples of Anti-Premium LLL.coms include: YXZ.com, VKQ.com, XZW.com, QKU.com. Examples of Anti-Premium LLLL.coms include: WKQU.com, XYQZ.com, YQUW.com, KQJV.com.

Premium Short Domain Name:

Single Premium: We use this term to refer LLLL.coms containing only one premium letter. Examples of Single Premium LLLL.coms include: JHXZ.com, UQTX.com, WQUE.com, EUWJ.com.
Double Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing two premium letters. Examples of Double Premium LLLL.coms include: ASWQ.com, BJKT.com, WVMG.com, HWRZ.com.
Triple Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing three premium letters. Examples of Triple Premium LLLL.coms include: ASDX.com, POSW.com, NWOO.com, XEEB.com. LLL.coms containing three premium letters are commonly referred to as “Premium LLL.coms”. Examples include: SAS.com, RTN.com, NPG.com, RSS.com.
Quad Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing four premium letters. Examples of Quad Premium LLLL.coms include: AAAL.com, FFLE.com, MNGO.com, GHPR.com.

Name Types:

CVCV: A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVs are generally extremely pronounceable and are among the most valuable LLLL.coms. Examples include: MELO.com, MOFO.com, ZENE.com, LUMI.com. Many CVCVs are actual words in English or in another language and that partly contributes to their high valuations, on top of their immense brandability and obvious enduser potential.
CVVC : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. Examples include: NOOL.com, ROOX.com, BEER.com, MOOT.com.
VCCV : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. Examples include: ADDA.com, ELLO.com, INGE.com, UGFO.com
VCVC : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. VCVCs are often among the most pronounceable and desirable LLLL.coms, right up there with CVCVs. Examples include: OPAL.com, ONEX.com, ILEC.com, UQEN.com.

Rare Short Names:

AABB : A 4 letter .com domain which contains only 2 different letters, where “A” and “B” symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CCDD.com, DDJJ.com, MMXX.com, ZZGG.com.
ABAB : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters, where “A” and “B” symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDCD.com, DJDJ.com, MXMX.com, ZGZG.com.
Palindromes : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDDC.com, DJJD.com, MXXM.com, ZGGZ.com. Palindromes are commonly referred to ABBA-type LLLL.coms.
Triple Letter : An LLLL.com containing three of the same letter. These are sometimes referred to as Triple letter repeats in the case it is of an AAAB or BAAA letter pattern. Examples include: SSSJ.com, SWWW.com, HHGH.com, IJII.com. Notice how each of these examples showcases the Triple Letter LLLL.com differently. These are all considered Triple Letter LLLL.coms.
VVVV : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains four vowels. Examples include: AEIO.com, EUOU.com, IOUI.com, EAUU.com.

5L.coms Domain Names (five letter):

CVCCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCCVs are among the most popular 5L.com domains which are registered and resold today. Examples include: RORRE.com, FOGGE.com, ZINNE.com, VISTA.com.
CVCVC : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. CVCVCs are essentially CVCVs with an additional consonant at the end. Examples include: FALES.com, FIRAL.com, SAGEP.com, LINUX.com.
CVCVV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVVs are essentially CVCVs with an additional vowel at the end. Examples include: RAGOO.com, PARIA.com, MELOO.com, MONEE.com.
CVVCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVVCVs are CVCVs with an additional vowel included before the second consonant. Examples: ZOOME.com, ROOMI.com, PIECO.com, MOOLA.com.
VCVCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. VCVCVs are essential VCVCs with an additional vowel at the end. Examples include: ATOMO.com, EFOTO.com, ISAMI.com, OSIRA.com.

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

@BrandPlease Thank you doesn't come even remotely close to how grateful I am for your last post mate.

biggie · Jun 8, 2021

Hi

the terms "anti-premium, double premium, sub premium, quad premium", etc, etc,
is all a bunch of bull

i've had other np members tell me that

when they make offers on my names.
one even told me he was an "expert" in 4 letter com.

below are a couple of related posts:
I am looking to buy CVCV domains only without J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z - NamePros
CVCV .com would you take a Y and if not, Y? - NamePros

folks telling me that letter "y" is not a vowel, when i offered "wufy.com" at discount price, they passed.
then a few weeks later it sold on sedo for twice as much.

now it's pointing to wufy.de > a developed site for doggie stuff, which btw is similar to logo i made for it.

any 4 letter.com is investment grade, simply because new domainers will always want one.
if you buy one today for $100 and add 5 years renewal for total of $150,
i guarantee that 5 years from now, you could sell for a profit to the next newbie.

imo...

BrandPlease · Jun 8, 2021

Curious to see if others have a similar or the opposite experience than me.

To start - personally like 4L coms (have 70ish) & think the really good ones (far above the "value" of mine) are simply the best: memorable, interesting, brandable names.

Yes 3 Ls are considered top & have amazing levels of value - but $ aside, they are just not as "brandable" ad 4ls. 3 Ls are almost always an abbreviation, 4ls can be a real word or something fun to wordsmith.

ALL THAT ASIDE (haha)

From an investment point of view - 5 & 6 L - quality brandables - may get you better ROI than 4ls?

At least that is my experience, for example: On the same platforms (BB, SH, BP) I have 4ls + a mix of many other lengths - but over all 5 & 6L coms sell many, many, many times more often & in shorter hold times than 4ls or anything 7+ letters.

But, TBH, my 4Ls are not much over low end premium to garbage - so not necessarily a fair compare to what you or other may own. make sense?

GL

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

@biggie "any 4 letter.com is investment grade, simply because new domainers will always want one. if you buy one today for $100 and add 5 years renewal for total of $150, i guarantee that 5 years from now, you could sell for a profit to the next newbie." You are right about that mate. I'm that new domainer year X fresh out the pet shop. Later this summer plan is to buy at least one LLLL .com. $ 250 is my ceiling. Then plan to sell for $ 500. Buy one $ 500 and sell $ 1000. This would be a successful end to 2021.

Exposer · Jun 8, 2021

Recons.Com said:
While no one is expecting all 5 letter or 6 letter domains having some definitive values, for some reason people expect 4Ls to have those and also fit some kind of formula.

While there are some general rules of thumb, each domain is unique and specific.

Unless you really understand what makes a specific 4L valuable, it is advisable to stay away from buying it. You might collect 100 4Ls each at $200 average cost and might struggle to sell even one at $3000 in a year.

Each 4L name has to be rigorously analyzed on its own merit, just like you'd do for 5L, 6L etc.

I firmly believe that while there are no hand regs for 4Ls since 2007, lots of them are not even investment grade and a good brandable hand reg could have better chance of selling at a similar price.

For domain names you have a unwritten law:
SHORTER BETTER = BETTER CHANCE TO SELL but there is a clue behind that , f.e.: LY1Q.com you cannot sell. THE 4L must be chatchy and a shortage of name or product. Same rule for 5L and +.
There a a lot of private collectors / investors at the market which waits to catch a fancy name and you have anonym buyer which buys in the name of big marketing agencys. Domain trading and earnings out of it, depends definetely of your creativity and to buy dropped domain names at in the right time.

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

Heavens to Betsy! Why on earth is letter "y" deigned non premium? https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-start-with-y/ yack, yaff, yage, yaje, yaks, yams, yang, yank, yapp, yaps, yard, yare, yarn, yaud, yaup, yawl, yawn, yawp, yaws, yeah, yean, year, yeas, yech, yeet, yegg, yeld, yelk, yell, yelp, yens, yeps, yerk, yeti, yett, yeuk, yews, yill, yins, yipe, yips, yird, yirr, ylem, yobs, yock, yodh, yods, yoga, yogh, yogi, yoke, yoks, yolk, yond, yoni, yore, your, yous, yowl, yows, ysec, yuan, yuca, yuch, yuck, yuks, yule, yups, yurt, ywis, https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-end-with-y/ ably, achy, aery, agly, ahoy, airy, alky, ally, army, arty, ashy, atry, away, awry, baby, bevy, body, bogy, bony, boxy, bray, buoy, bury, busy, cagy, caky, cany, cavy, chay, city, civy, clay, cloy, coky, coly, cony, copy, cosy, cozy, cray, defy, demy, deny, dewy, didy, dixy, doby, dogy, dopy, dory, doty, dowy, doxy, dozy, dray, duly, duty, easy, eddy, edgy, eely, eery, eggy, emmy, enby, envy, espy, expy, eyry, flay, fley, fogy, foxy, fozy, fray, fumy, fury, gaby, gamy, gapy, gley, goby, gory, gray, grey, hazy, hidy, holy, homy, icky, idly, iffy, illy, inky, inly, jivy, joey, joky, jury, lacy, lady, laky, lazy, levy, lily, limy, liny, logy, lory, luny, many, mazy, miry, moly, mony, mopy, muny, nary, navy, nosy, nowy, oary, obey, oily, okay, oldy, only, oory, oozy, opry, orby, orgy, orly, paty, piny, pipy, pity, pixy, play, ploy, pogy, poky, poly, pony, posy, pray, prey, puky, puny, quay, quey, racy, rely, rimy, ropy, rosy, ruby, scry, sexy, shay, sizy, slay, sley, spay, spry, stay, sway, they, tidy, tiny, toby, tody, toey, tony, tory, towy, tray, troy, typy, ugly, vary, very, viny, wady, wany, wary, wavy, waxy, whey, wily, winy, wiry, zany

Recons.Com · Jun 8, 2021

redemo said:
Heavens to Betsy! Why on earth is letter "y" deigned non premium? https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-start-with-y/ yack, yaff, yage, yaje, yaks, yams, yang, yank, yapp, yaps, yard, yare, yarn, yaud, yaup, yawl, yawn, yawp, yaws, yeah, yean, year, yeas, yech, yeet, yegg, yeld, yelk, yell, yelp, yens, yeps, yerk, yeti, yett, yeuk, yews, yill, yins, yipe, yips, yird, yirr, ylem, yobs, yock, yodh, yods, yoga, yogh, yogi, yoke, yoks, yolk, yond, yoni, yore, your, yous, yowl, yows, ysec, yuan, yuca, yuch, yuck, yuks, yule, yups, yurt, ywis, https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-end-with-y/ ably, achy, aery, agly, ahoy, airy, alky, ally, army, arty, ashy, atry, away, awry, baby, bevy, body, bogy, bony, boxy, bray, buoy, bury, busy, cagy, caky, cany, cavy, chay, city, civy, clay, cloy, coky, coly, cony, copy, cosy, cozy, cray, defy, demy, deny, dewy, didy, dixy, doby, dogy, dopy, dory, doty, dowy, doxy, dozy, dray, duly, duty, easy, eddy, edgy, eely, eery, eggy, emmy, enby, envy, espy, expy, eyry, flay, fley, fogy, foxy, fozy, fray, fumy, fury, gaby, gamy, gapy, gley, goby, gory, gray, grey, hazy, hidy, holy, homy, icky, idly, iffy, illy, inky, inly, jivy, joey, joky, jury, lacy, lady, laky, lazy, levy, lily, limy, liny, logy, lory, luny, many, mazy, miry, moly, mony, mopy, muny, nary, navy, nosy, nowy, oary, obey, oily, okay, oldy, only, oory, oozy, opry, orby, orgy, orly, paty, piny, pipy, pity, pixy, play, ploy, pogy, poky, poly, pony, posy, pray, prey, puky, puny, quay, quey, racy, rely, rimy, ropy, rosy, ruby, scry, sexy, shay, sizy, slay, sley, spay, spry, stay, sway, they, tidy, tiny, toby, tody, toey, tony, tory, towy, tray, troy, typy, ugly, vary, very, viny, wady, wany, wary, wavy, waxy, whey, wily, winy, wiry, zany

Those are dictionary words/names and, thus, are a category in itself.

4Ls for the purposes of this discussion should be the ones that are not words (English, or top words from popular languages like German, French, Spanish, Mandarin, Turkish etc.).

While Y can be great in certain positions and combos, compared to other true premium letters, it limits the possibilities and options.

Alop · Jun 8, 2021

Recons.Com said:
Those are dictionary words/names and, thus, are a category in itself.

4Ls for the purposes of this discussion should be the ones that are not words (English, or top words from popular languages like German, French, Spanish, Mandarin, Turkish etc.).

While Y can be great in certain positions and combos, compared to other true premium letters, it limits the possibilities and options.

A 4L domain is limited..it can be an abbreviation, if you are lucky it may be pronounceable or even a word ...

For someone to exclude a letter from a 4 letter domain is funny to me

Zilla · Jun 8, 2021

redemo said:
What are the key INDICATORS of value in non-acronym abbreviation LLLL .com names? (randomly selected kkdh.com iwqp.com pqwm.com zxlp.com)..

the example here, kkdh, pqwm, zxlp called CHIP....which we buy/sell at much higher price than $99....

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

@Recons.Com You're right. I made a mistake.

redemo · Jun 8, 2021

@Zilla Thanks mate. I found an old thread by @DN.com about CHIP names https://www.namepros.com/threads/how-to-identify-premium-llll-com-domains.921152/.

"The CHIPs. I believe many of you have already heard this term before. The CHIPs is short for Chinese Initial Pinyin domain names, which refer to the letters except A, E, I,O, U, V. Usually it is hard to find a proper meaning for a domain name combined with four non-CHIP letters. Therefore, there forms a big gap in price between CHIPs and non-CHIPs LLLL.com domain names."

Samer · Jun 9, 2021

Recons.Com said:
Those are dictionary words/names and, thus, are a category in itself.

4Ls for the purposes of this discussion should be the ones that are not words (English, or top words from popular languages like German, French, Spanish, Mandarin, Turkish etc.).

While Y can be great in certain positions and combos, compared to other true premium letters, it limits the possibilities and options.

Not in America.
In America, i place that letter premium.

Dont care “Chinese” Kool-Aid premium rules.
Oh idk “Chinese premium” barely value...
This is the WEST. Which reminds me...
doesnt mean “Western premium” much better, but i read somewhere “Western premium” are more likely to be acronyms for West company — and vice versa for Chinese (idk about Sorry)
The current

CVCV.com wow, automatic,
“Universal pronounceable” cvcv go for most lol

Old, but timeless DomainSherpa LLLL.com link
https://www.domainsherpa.com/domain-name-dictionary/llll/

Samer · Jun 9, 2021

Further good info reading on llll “Premiums”

https://www.domainsherpa.com/domain-name-dictionary/premium-letters/

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