poll Would you take the Covid Vaccine when it becomes available

oldtimer · Dec 5, 2020

The only way to end this Pandemic is if the majority of the people around the World get vaccinated.

It's amazing that several vaccines have already been developed in record time and thus far they all show very good results as far as creating some level of immunity against Covid19 without causing any major side effects and supposedly even if those who have been vaccinated come down with the disease it won't be at the more severe levels that require hospitalization.

There are many companies that are working on the vaccine although the top contenders currently are Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...d-vaccine-heres-what-we-know-them/6308571002/

I personally would be first in line to get the vaccine as I am in the older category with some history of heart problems and although I believe that everyone should be free to make their own choices, but this will only be effective in stopping the Pandemic if the majority of the people (like over 80% or so) get vaccinated.

Please do your own research about the vaccines and indicate your choice in the poll (visible to all) and post any justification for your decision as to whether you are going to get the vaccine or not below.

IMO

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Compassion · May 4, 2021

oldtimer said:
Why treating Covid-19 with drugs is harder than you think

"Viruses are much more varied, rapidly evolving and hard to access than bacteria – so scientists searching for drug-based treatments have their work cut out."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210430-why-arent-antiviral-drugs-as-effective-as-antibiotics

Why go trial and error method with drugs when you can use tried and true practices to treat illness?

oldtimer · May 4, 2021

Compassion said:
Why go trial and error method with drugs when you can use tried and true practices to treat illness?

That raises two questions:

1- Do all these people who unfortunately are dying in India have Covid

2- Why is it that the methods that you are suggesting are not being used to save them

Compassion · May 4, 2021

oldtimer said:
That raises two questions:

1- Are all these people who unfortunately are dying in India have Covid

2- Why are the methods that you are suggesting not being used to save them

1. Only people believing the media think this is happening.

2. Because Big Pharma puppets the media and they desperately are mind controlling people into thinking Vax = Magic healing bullets. There are plenty of ways to treat this illness and similar illnesses - even if you have had a junk food lifestyle and are already immunocompromised.

The most obvious one discussed numerous times? VITAMIN D

Those who were old, had comorbodities and died were deficient in Vitamin D. Those who were already vulnerable and were not deficient in Vitamin D survived.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553119/

oldtimer · May 4, 2021

Compassion said:
1. Only people believing the media think this is happening.

2. Because Big Pharma puppets the media and they desperately are mind controlling people into thinking Vax = Magic healing bullets. There are plenty of ways to treat this illness and similar illnesses - even if you have had a junk food lifestyle and are already immunocompromised.

The most obvious one discussed numerous times? VITAMIN D

Those who were old, had comorbodities and died were deficient in Vitamin D. Those who were already vulnerable and were not deficient in Vitamin D survived.

There are many people in India who believe in natural remedies just like you do which normally is a good thing, but unfortunately they haven't been able to save their loved ones on their own during the catastrophe that is right now unfolding and are in desperate need of assistance in the form of vaccines and other meds that are proven to be effective against Covid which other countries including US are sending them.

There is a time and place for using natural remedies and in some cases those might be preferred by many people especially in the East, but right now in India people need something more than just natural remedies to fight back against the virus.

IMO

rh2000 · May 4, 2021

Cal2 · May 5, 2021

oldtimer said:
There are many people in India who believe in natural remedies just like you do which normally is a good thing, but unfortunately they haven't been able to save their loved ones on their own during the catastrophe that is right now unfolding and are in desperate need of assistance in the form of vaccines and other meds that are proven to be effective against Covid which other countries including US are sending them.

There is a time and place for using natural remedies and in some cases those might be preferred by many people especially in the East, but right now in India people need something more than just natural remedies to fight back against the virus.

IMO

Don't try to get the anti-vaxxer conspiracists to think too logically - their heads might explode.

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

COVID is killing 120 people an hour in India, and it could stay "really grim" for months

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/india-covid-crisis-deaths-vaccine-oxygen/

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

Compassion said:
Only people believing the media think this is happening.

This catastrophe is real and the sad thing is that it could have been avoided if we had the right people at the helm around the World at the very beginning when this Pandemic got started, the kind of people who wouldn't have put their own political interests and agendas above that which was going to be good for the Humanity and this Planet.

Truly a sad situation.

Although this might end up opening the people's eyes to the truth and become the start of a Global movement to get all those self-serving politicians and their zombie like supporters off of our backs so that the World can enter a whole new Era that is going to be based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion.

IMO

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

One Of The World's Poorest Countries Has One Of The World's Lowest COVID Death Rates

"The pandemic may have had less of an impact in Haiti, she says, because it's a young country. The average age is 23. COVID-19 infections tend to be less severe in younger people. It's also possible, she says, that a significant number of people were infected by the virus last summer, showed no symptoms and built up immunity. Also houses tend to be open with plenty of ventilation – air flow can knock the pathogen out of the picture."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...-has-one-of-the-worlds-lowest-covid-death-rat

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

As US nears vaccine tipping point, dramatic decrease in COVID-19 cases could come without herd immunity, some experts say

"SAN FRANCISCO – It may not take true "herd immunity" to see a dramatic drop in COVID-19 cases. Some researchers say another 30 million to 40 million first shots could be enough for the United States to reach a vaccine tipping point and containment of the disease caused by the coronavirus."

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...int-could-just-10-15-percent-away/4915586001/

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

The coronavirus vaccine skeptics who changed their minds

"The emergence of these mind-changers suggests that at least some vaccine-wary Americans are willing to reconsider when their concerns are addressed by those they regard as credible."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...americans-change-minds-debeaumont-foundation/

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

oldtimer said:
One Of The World's Poorest Countries Has One Of The World's Lowest COVID Death Rates

"The pandemic may have had less of an impact in Haiti, she says, because it's a young country. The average age is 23. COVID-19 infections tend to be less severe in younger people. It's also possible, she says, that a significant number of people were infected by the virus last summer, showed no symptoms and built up immunity. Also houses tend to be open with plenty of ventilation – air flow can knock the pathogen out of the picture."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...-has-one-of-the-worlds-lowest-covid-death-rat

The title of this article got me thinking,

Why should money (or lack of it) stand in the way of people being able to live a healthy, righteous, safe, happy, and productive life and be at peace with everyone else and the Earth (and the greater Universe).

Why do we so casually accept the status quo of Haves and Have Nots.

And why do we look down on people based on their financial status let alone considering whole countries to be poor and thus making all the misery and suffering that the people in those countries are experiencing as justifiable and acceptable in our eyes.

And yet we consider ourselves to be the good guys, the enlightened and civilized people of the World in another words The Rich people of the World.

And you all wonder why we need to bring the current Era in the history of Humanity to an end and start a new Era that no longer judges and categorizes people or whole countries based on how much money they have.

If you can't see what is wrong with the status quo that means that your mind is already enslaved by the forces that want to stand in the way of progress in order to protect their own misguided interests and agendas.

IMO

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

Biden Backs Waiving International Patent Protections For COVID-19 Vaccines

"President Biden threw his support behind a World Trade Organization proposal on Wednesday to waive intellectual property protections for COVID-19 vaccines, clearing a hurdle for other vaccine-strapped countries to manufacture their own vaccines even though the patents are privately held."

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...onal-patent-protections-for-covid-19-vaccines

Compassion · May 5, 2021

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE COVID VACCINE WORKS?
You end up in the hospital with pneumonia!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3u5lVe1NNqdH/

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

Compassion said:
HOW DO YOU KNOW THE COVID VACCINE WORKS?

Currently there is still no data on the effectiveness of the vaccines on a long term basis as we might have to wait 10 or more years to accumulate that data,

But on the short term basis there have been a substantial decrease in the number of hospitalizations and fatalities amongst the elderly and many nursing homes are beginning to get back to normal (or close to it) after everyone got vaccinated.

IMO

Compassion · May 5, 2021

oldtimer said:
Currently there is still no data on the effectiveness of the vaccines on a long term basis as we might have to wait 10 or more years to accumulate that data,

But on the short term basis there have been a substantial decrease in the number of hospitalizations and fatalities amongs the elderly and many nursing homes are beginning to get back to normal (or close to it) after everyone got vaccinated.

IMO

So 10 years for data creates clarity...

.....But a warp speed rushed out vax in less than a year requires no data for clarity?

Logical - right?

oldtimer · May 5, 2021

Compassion said:
So 10 years for data creates clarity...

.....But a warp speed rushed out vax in less than a year requires no data for clarity?

Logical - right?

You are mixing up the data,

The short term data accumulated through the trials showed that the new Covid Vaccines were safe enough (within an acceptable degree) for mass production and use and showed some promising results within a small group.

But the data for effectiveness of the vaccines on a Large Scale is now beginning to trickle in and so far it shows that those who are vaccinated (especially the elderly) are less likely to come up with a serious case of Covid even if they caught the virus.

IMO

Compassion · May 5, 2021

oldtimer said:
You are mixing up the data,

The short term data accumulated through the trials showed that the new Covid Vaccines were safe enough (whitin an acceptable degree) for mass production and use and showed some promising results within a small group.

But the data for effectiveness of the vaccines on a Large Scale is now beginning to trickle in and so far it shows that those who are vaccinated (especially the elderly) are less likely to come up with a serious case of Covid even if they caught the virus.

IMO

This sounds like a flimsy defense when the Nuremberg 2.0 trials begin IMHO
(But it does sound like somethiing a lawyer would say)

oldtimer · May 6, 2021

Compassion said:
This sounds like a flimsy defense when the Nuremberg 2.0 trials begin IMHO
(But it does sound like somethiing a lawyer would say)

What is flimsy here is your lack of Compassion for the Elderly.

You want to deprive them of the only thing that can save them (getting vaccinated that is)

IMO

Compassion · May 6, 2021

oldtimer said:
only thing that can save them (getting vaccinated that is)

IMO

This is very short-sighted and I feel you are way too smart to really believe this.

I've worked with many elderly people in my practice

oldtimer · May 6, 2021

Compassion said:
This is very short-sighted and I feel you are way too smart to really believe this.

I've worked with many elderly people in my practice

What is shortsighted is the fact that you choose to be a healer when it comes to dealing with the younger (perhaps richer) people, but that you don't care what happens to the older people who if not vaccinated will most likely end up in the hospital or even worse become another casualty of the pandemic that you don't believe in.

IMO

Compassion · May 6, 2021

oldtimer said:
What is shortsighted is the fact that you choose to be a healer when it comes to dealing with the younger (perhaps richer) people, but that you don't care what happens to the older people who if not vaccinated will most likely end up in the hospital or even worse become another casualty of the pandemic that you don't believe in.

IMO

This statement makes no sense.

I don't discriminate the age of people I work with - many are much older than I am.

oldtimer · May 6, 2021

Compassion said:
This statement makes no sense.

I don't discriminate the age of people I work with - many are much older than I am.

For them being a little older than you might not necessarily mean that they are elderly.

The fact remains that although you might be providing a valuable service to some people (those who pay you $300 an hour as you had mentioned before) but you have thrown all the elderly under the bus by depriving them of the only thing that can save their lives (getting vaccinated that is).

IMO

Compassion · May 6, 2021

oldtimer said:
For them being a little older than you might not necessarily mean that they are elderly.

The fact remains that although you might be providing a valuable service to some people (those who pay you $300 an hour as you had mentioned before) but you have thrown all the elderly under the bus by depriving them of the only thing that can save their lives (getting vaccinated that is).

IMO

I give away my services for free or very little at times...

$300 is more what I make when I teach small groups.

or when I can multi table and have super full days this coming year I could do that much and more. I'm sure you'll all miss me when I'm doing that

It is possible for me to treat a few people at a time for a lot less than $300 out of their pockets and make that much in an hour.

oldtimer · May 6, 2021

Compassion said:
I give away my services for free or very little at times...

$300 is more what I make when I teach small groups

Can you post a picture of you visiting a nursing home and teaching the elderly that they are better off not getting vaccinated and are not going to catch Covid if they just use some natural remedies.

I honestly don't believe that you have ever walked inside a nursing home to check and see how those people were doing.

There is nothing wrong to make money off of your rich clientele after all that's what capitalism is all about, but at least be honest about it.

IMO

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Yes but only if I am considered to be in any of the vulnerable groups

No I will not get the vaccine voluntarily

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