news I found that many good domains are on sale on SAV for $280

Grilled said:

Seriously?

You're telling everyone that these $280 domains, registered outside of SAV, are being auctioned off on Sav expiring domain auction platform... and you don't see how that would matter or change things?

That would mean registrars like <Hosting Concepts B.V. d/b/a Registrar.eu> are sending their expired inventory to Sav for auctions?

So in theory, a registrar <Hosting Concepts B.V. d/b/a Registrar.eu> could offer below verisign cost registrations, and still be profitable if they made that money up via their expired auction route.



What is it that I'm refuting here? I'm just trying to get more information. Are you suggesting it is Sav behind the $280 sales listings/registrations? As that's the only thing I can think of that I actually refuted in this thread...



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That's a reseller (open provider) so if not backordered at SAV they most probably utilise the API to catch and get good pricing, at cost.

Not a bad pick to use catching somewhat (random) just ok, little competition, domains.

DirkS said:

That's a reseller (open provider) so if not backordered at SAV they most probably utilise the API to catch and get good pricing, at cost.

Not a bad pick to use catching somewhat (random) just ok, little competition, domains.

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The $280 seller may be backordering as well.

But I see a lot of $280 hand regs. Regged not at sav (at openprovider or PDR). Just to sell at sav.

So I doubt these are backorders through openprovider, or maybe if they are (doubtful) there is a registration lag in the backorders, leaving backorders available to reg for hours to days after dropping.

Any idea what open provider resellers charge per domain reg?

It doesn't look they send their expiration stream to SAV. They (from your list) also use PDR, they send their exp. stream to GoDaddy as far as I know.

PDR is an EIG subsidiary (web/netsol still owned by them?) so that seems somewhat strange.

Grilled said:

The $280 seller may be backordering as well.

But I see a lot of $280 hand regs. Regged not at sav (at openprovider). Just to sell at sav.

So I doubt these are backorders through openprovider, or maybe if they are (doubtful) there is a registration lag in the backorders, leaving backorders available to reg for hours to days after dropping.

Any idea what open provider resellers charge per domain reg?

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€49 upto 2000 names. 1K upto 15.000 names and onwards.

That gives you regs at cost.

DirkS said:

It doesn't look they send their expiration stream to SAV.

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I didn't think so either, but I'm not too familiar on Sav expired auctions. Hence my surprise when @blogspotter suggested they were filtering these through Sav expired auctions.

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Why people keep saying that Sav is behind these listings when they aren't regged at Sav? It makes no sense. Is there a deeper connection we're not seeing? Or are the people saying Sav is behind these listings poor at conducting research, and quick to accuse without practicing due dilligence?

Grilled said:

I didn't think so either, but I'm not too familiar on Sav expired auctions. Hence my surprise when @blogspotter suggested they were filtering these through Sav expired auctions.

If you look at GymnasticsPlanet.com

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Why people keep saying that Sav is behind these listings when they aren't regged at Sav? It makes no sense. Is there a deeper connection we're not seeing? Or are the people saying Sav is behind these listings poor at conducting research, and quick to accuse without practicing due dilligence?

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Good one. Fair point. I dunno. So far I see little that supports any claims made although its not smalltime domainers as it wouldn't make sense to use PDR/OP when dealing in low volume.

Could be some residue in users from nameking. Never looked into them much in terms of accreditation, ownership and so on.

There's obviously more to the story than we can see from what's public as the SAV business model definitely doesn't add up.

Grilled said:

I didn't think so either, but I'm not too familiar on Sav expired auctions. Hence my surprise when @blogspotter suggested they were filtering these through Sav expired auctions.

If you look at GymnasticsPlanet.com

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Why people keep saying that Sav is behind these listings when they aren't regged at Sav? It makes no sense. Is there a deeper connection we're not seeing? Or are the people saying Sav is behind these listings poor at conducting research, and quick to accuse without practicing due dilligence?

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Helping you with some new info, maybe you can dig deeper and found out more. Looks like they have around 12600 domains, using [email protected] and they are connected to domain investments llc and elite domains, they are based in Boca Raton, Florida and the main guy is Jordan Levinson. Looks like they made 400k last year through this company.

Lox said:

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Yes, all roads lead to Chicago

(tip: article you may have missed)

There's more ... but not worth your time. In essence, 3 months of ping pong & turning $xK into $xxK via one road. Yet there's a bunch of roads lead to ...

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Thanks @Lox . Missed that. Don't care that much about them as I stopped using them.

Nick R said:

Hello All. Sav does not own any domains (aside from sav.com and a few others to run our infrastructure).

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So yeah...

blogspotter said:

I don't want to add to the speculation, but you are most likely wrong in what you are refuting.

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Looks like you might have been right?

Grilled said:

It makes no sense. Is there a deeper connection we're not seeing?

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Possibly?

Grilled said:

Or are the people saying Sav is behind these listings poor at conducting research, and quick to accuse without practicing due dilligence?

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Or perhaps the people saying Sav is behind these listings are GREAT conduction research?

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boker said:

using [email protected] and they are connected to domain investments llc and elite domains, they are based in Boca Raton, Florida

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Where'd you get Boca Raton, Florida at?

When looking at WHOIS of a domain registered by that email address...



Why does the WHOIS for a domain registered at PDR, show a very similar address of SAV in the WHOIS?

WHOIS shows suite 515 opposed to Sav.com suite 303

Grilled said:

When looking at WHOIS of a domain registered by that email address...

Why does the WHOIS for a domain registered at PDR, show a very similar address of SAV in the WHOIS?

WHOIS shows suite 515 opposed to Sav.com suite 303

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Looks like they are using multiple suite numbers associated to 2229 S Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60616



Is this like a virtual address or a leased address at the same location as sav since they're selling on Sav, and want a potential buyer to think it's safe and/or connected at least within arms reach to Sav?

Nick R said:

Hello All. Sav does not own any domains (aside from sav.com and a few others to run our infrastructure).

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Is this a politician/technical answer? Sav as a company might not own any domains aside from Sav.com.

But, hasn't it been said that Sav CEO has a massive portfolio? Are you suggesting nobody employed/owner/boardmember/shareholder of Sav.com are selling domains via Sav with Sav landers for $280?

I'm not trying to suggest anybody behind sav is selling on Sav landers, as I want to take your word for it that Sav doesn't own any domains. But, considering the matching up of WHOIS addresses to Sav company address, things aren't adding up.

Might it just be a really enthusiastic/friendly Sav customer with no connection to anyone within the company, who wanted to move to the same building as sav, and build their $280 business model around sav tech?

Grilled said:

Looks like you might have been right?



Possibly?



Or perhaps the people saying Sav is behind these listings are GREAT conduction research?

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Where'd you get Boca Raton, Florida at?

When looking at WHOIS of a domain registered by that email address...

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Why does the WHOIS for a domain registered at PDR, show a very similar address of SAV in the WHOIS?

WHOIS shows suite 515 opposed to Sav.com suite 303

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Looks like they are using multiple companies, like domain investments llc, multi media llc, elite domains and a few others. I've used the whois info for some of my ex domains, like smoothia.com Domain investments llc shows as a Boca Raton company: https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...nts_llc.ba371d5b87c7da818b5ab852e7f0c221.html but again, they are using multiple companies.

Grilled said:

Is this a politician/technical answer? Sav as a company might not own any domains aside from Sav.com.

But, hasn't it been said that Sav CEO has a massive portfolio? Are you suggesting nobody employed/owner/boardmember/shareholder of Sav.com are selling domains via Sav with Sav landers for $280?

I'm not trying to suggest anybody behind sav is selling on Sav landers, as I want to take your word for it that Sav doesn't own any domains. But, considering the matching up of WHOIS addresses to Sav company address, things aren't adding up.

Might it just be a really enthusiastic/friendly Sav customer with no connection to anyone within the company, who wanted to move to the same building as sav, and build their $280 business model around sav tech?

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I would guess is somebody connected to sav, but not necessary sav as company...lot's of the domains have a $280 + $7,99 for one year extra...I don't think that a real domainer, not connected to sav, will care about the $8 renewal.

boker said:

I've used the whois info for some of my ex domains, like smoothia.com

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Maybe just WHOIS changes/importerrors/updates within sav whois privacy... When looking at my Sav domains, in historical WHOIS, I see multiple addresses used everytime.




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I'm more curious about the PDR WHOIS matching up to similar address of Sav. But again, maybe this is strategic since the seller is using Sav landing pages?

boker said:

Domain investments llc shows as a Boca Raton company: https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...nts_llc.ba371d5b87c7da818b5ab852e7f0c221.html but again, they are using multiple companies

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Is it possible there is a Illinois (or another state) based Domain Investments LLC?

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Is it possible there is a Illinois (or another state) based Domain Investments LLC?

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Is there allowed to have two companies using exactly the same name in the same country? I would guess that is the same company, but they are using a different address for whois than the actual address of the company.

Nick R said:

Hello All. Sav does not own any domains (aside from sav.com and a few others to run our infrastructure).

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boker said:

I would guess is somebody connected to sav, but not necessary sav as company...lot's of the domains have a $280 + $7,99 for one year extra...I don't think that a real domainer, not connected to sav, will care about the $8 renewal.

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Possibly.

I'm just wondering if Sav is going to turn into its own DropCatch/HugeDomains ecosystem.

DropCatch might not own any domains besides, DropCatch.com, but their sister company HugeDomains... well, they own quite a few.

But again, until we have confirmation or more info, its way too suspect/speculative to say/conclude Elite Domains is to Sav as HugeDomains is to DropCatch.

I like SAV and have nothing against them, but i confirm that SAV and other registrars are in this business.
Many such domains were dropped on https://www.expireddomains.net/ then i see them on SAV at 280$ for sale, they were available to hand reg.
Yesterday i came a cross a good dropped .co domain name it was registered at nameking.com and listed at DAN make a offer. This again have confirmed what i suspected before about SAV, also namepros is a good teacher on how to make domaining business for them is not hard to learn everything posted here for free access, beside any end user can do same thing.

I found that many good domains are on sale on SAV for $280

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i was thinking about it and i think anyone can sell for whatever they want. e.g. i have domains (drops) that was owned by Mike Mann and listed on his DomainMarket.com - for 3- 4 figures and now i am selling them for $20 lol

TopnotchBuilder.com
BestWebsiteServices.com
BuySellAutoparts.com
Licience.com
SEOandContent.com
SunToShine.com
etc..

the same with BuyDomains.com domains i grabbed their drops that was listed for 4 figures and trying to sell it for low mid $xx.

Grilled said:

Most folks have came to know this seller via the $280 (Sav -- super low 4% fee) landing page.

Here are a few names I had recently marked for registration consideration before the $280 seller pulled the trigger and regged before me.

realoperator.com
gymnasticsplanet.com
nemun.com
emergencypulse.com
retrotire.com
earndirectory.com
preparedwise.com
xupax.com
ubety.com
megiggle.com
modewire.com
analyzingrisk.com
themeshell.com
parallelbit.com
heyindex.com
meltingleaf.com
moldbrain.com
goodvariant.com
blimpcoin.com
blocksupreme.com
directorycontact.com
cupstand.com
electserve.com
prettylist.com
ringorbit.com
leaffarmers.com
lazycannabis.com
seedsflowers.com
grandnugget.com
opennursery.com
strikefresh.com
barefootcity.com
mobquick.com
nationcross.com
phonerecon.com
verbnation.com
hypewow.com
amuve.com
solleaf.com
getmedian.com
centerhot.com
dailybong.com
blocktend.com
glacierwallet.com
trekgalaxy.com
pizzamake.com
planetuniversal.com
countpad.com
getreplacement.com
splitmenu.com
premiumprincess.com
longshock.com
restoreglow.com
enterpop.com
fusebuzz.com
islandseal.com
bearcrunch.com
bitthermal.com
soapthat.com
homenucleus.com
lifetimereview.com
gentleeffect.com
yesloyalty.com
rocketfunded.com
clutchbase.com
netchow.com
bitveteran.com
thumbsport.com
forrequest.com
tallcrowd.com
careerneed.com
lineroute.com
bitspoof.com
janemax.com

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Hi

unless i missed something, there's nothing there i would register

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Grilled said:

Is it possible there is a Illinois (or another state) based Domain Investments LLC?

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Yes, previously
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@Grilled , I know this is q easy to tell but plz due diligence is a business and to spend your time, you want to make sure that you're getting paid for.
Whether they are a friend, NPs member or domain investor, there are 2 ways to support somebody like you; PayPal donation or friends and family or PayPal business. Simple as that.
From the last NPs drama, ... NPs moderators didn't received a penny or at least, a bottle of champagne.
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(The OP asked something about ... and I can assure you, there's a very very long and a bit+ complicated story / history behind.)

Regards

This has been going down since at least september 2019, many deleted domains ending up on $280 sav landers. I think they were unknown to namepros at the time.

From what I saw domains are dropped after a year.

I find nothing wrong with them or any registrar / industry stakeholder competing against us; its already happening.

Windoms said:

This has been going down since at least september 2019, many deleted domains ending up on $280 sav landers. I think they were unknown to namepros at the time.

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https://www.domainiq.com/organization?Elite_Domains#/portfolio



https://www.domainiq.com/[email protected]#/portfolio

Windoms said:

I find nothing wrong with them or any registrar / industry stakeholder competing against us; its already happening.

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The way I see it, if I don't want to see a dropping domain listed for $280, I need to use Sav.com backorder to catch it, to keep it away from the $280 guy/gal/company.

I could use dropcatch, and keep it away from the sav backorders, but that requires more $$$.

I use sav every now and then to catch a few domains, and it works great. I recently caught one where it went to auction, but I had put an early backorder, making me have first bid at $6.95. The auction took about 10 days to complete, and it completed with no bids (I'm glad I didn't end up biding against the $280 guy/gal/company, or anyone for that matter) so I won the domain for the $6.95 backorder cost, which is less than verisign wholesale price, so thank you Sav.com

My point being...there are multiple levels a registrar could compete against their customers. Whenever I miss a sav.com backorder, only to see the domain listed on HugeDomains, it makes me wonder if I could have won that domain by just paying a little more for a discount dropcatch.com order, or question if I should have pony'd up to a full dropcatch.com backorder, to ensure I would have caught the domain. Especially when hindsight shows there were no other dropcatch backorders.

I guess the difference being, the auction traffic/integrity/prices at a dropcatch.com auction VS a sav.com auction. Assuming sav has less of a bidding base (for now), and a bidding war at Sav would warrant less eyes than a dropcatch.com bidding war. This is just a guess, as I haven't bid in a Sav auction in nearly a year, after the first auction turned into a headache of being charged individually for every bid I placed. But maybe their auction experience has improved?

Grilled said:

https://www.domainiq.com/organization?Elite_Domains#/portfolio

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A major part of the Elite domains portfolio was reportedly acquired by Godaddy... http://dotweekly.com/godaddy-acquires-another-domain-portfolio/