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Why do you use domain name appraisals? (multiple selections allowed)

  • This poll is still running and the standings may change.
  • To know if I am on the right track.

    78 
    votes
    39.4%
  • To help retail price domain names.

    52 
    votes
    26.3%
  • Wholesale pricing for domain names.

    24 
    votes
    12.1%
  • To know how to respond to an offer.

    34 
    votes
    17.2%
  • Help making keep or let go decisions.

    47 
    votes
    23.7%
  • Ideas for possible end use for the domain name.

    28 
    votes
    14.1%
  • Arguments to use when negotiating a potential sale.

    38 
    votes
    19.2%
  • Confirmation of my view about the domain name.

    55 
    votes
    27.8%
  • Weaknesses in this domain name.

    30 
    votes
    15.2%
  • To decide the best and worst names from a list.

    32 
    votes
    16.2%
  • Determine if this domain name is worth keeping long term.

    44 
    votes
    22.2%
  • What should I stress on the lander for this name?

    10 
    votes
    5.1%
  • Have a publicly available appraisal I might share with end users.

    30 
    votes
    15.2%
  • What sort of marketplace is best for this domain name?

    17 
    votes
    8.6%
  • A pre-purchase appraisal to help me decide whether to acquire the name.

    23 
    votes
    11.6%
  • I never use domain name appraisals here or elsewhere.

    61 
    votes
    30.8%
  • Other.

    16 
    votes
    8.1%
  • This poll is still running and the standings may change.

Last week’s NamePros Blog post took a look at domain name appraisals – why you might want an appraisal, who could provide it, the different types of appraisals, and some caveats about interpreting appraisals. This week’s post looks into the types of appraisals available here on NamePros, and how you can give and receive more useful appraisals.

Why NamePros Domain Appraisals?

NamePros has a huge membership, including a large number of expert domain investors. An appraisal here can offer you access to that expertise, without cost. Another advantage of seeking an appraisal here is that many appraisals will elicit multiple responses, and in some cases you will know the identity of those giving the appraisals. You can take that into account in how much weight to give to that appraisal. Finally, there is expertise in virtually every niche and sector of the domain community here, so that it should be possible to get almost any domain name appraised by someone knowledgeable in that type of domain name.

According to the Official Rules of NamePros you are only allowed to submit domain names you already own for appraisal, except in the case of the pre-purchase appraisal section.

The number of open appraisals that you can have is set according to your NamePros Account Level.

Sometimes Not Many Responses

Recently a member of our community has drawn attention to the fact that many domain appraisal requests go unanswered. There are multiple reasons for the lack of response, including quality of some names, time pressures, lack of incentives to leave appraisals, and the pushback that some seeking appraisals give when the appraisal does not match their preconceptions about the worth of the domain names. While these are all valid points, I think possibly minor changes in how an appraisal is requested may increase the number and usefulness of responses.

Which Appraisals Are Indexed?

One thing to keep in mind is that some appraisals can be viewed by anyone. The threads which are part of the public side of NamePros and will be Google indexed are
There are several additional types of appraisals, open only to a portion of the community, which are not indexed by Google.
  • Professional appraisals in the Insiders Club are open to Gold Members. The NamePros Account Levels page indicates requirements for each account level and what is included.
  • PRO Network appraisals are open only to members who have qualified for the PRO designation. The qualifications for PRO Network are listed here.
NamePros appraisals of adult domain names are also not Google indexed.

The Key Question

Before you post a domain name for appraisal, ask yourself what you want to know. Possibilities include
  • How should I retail price this domain name?
  • I have an offer, how should I respond?
  • How might this domain name be used? For example, brainstorming ideas for outbound.
  • Which of these names are worth keeping long term?
  • Does this domain name have worth, or has it some fundamental flaw such as incorrect wording. This might be particularly helpful to know if the domain is in a language other than your first.
  • What should I stress on the lander?
  • What sort of marketplace is best for this domain name? For example, is it a brandable name or better suited to a general purpose marketplace?
  • I need to turn over some of my names quickly. What would be wholesale pricing on this domain name?
  • What is wrong with this domain name?
There are other possibilities covered in last week’s article or the poll associated with this article. Keep in mind that some appraisal posts and replies will be publicly viewable, and that can potentially be negative to selling the domain name. This is particularly a concern if you just got a reasonable offer on the domain name.

Asking For An Appraisal

Some of the appraisal requests that receive no replies ask something like “What do you guys think?” followed by a very long list of names. I think you can improve your chances of getting responses by doing some of the following.
  1. Make it clear what it is you want to know. Are you mainly looking for retail pricing? Is it more a decision whether to hold long term? This can help responders not waste time answering something you don’t really care about.
  2. Show that you have already done some research, and share that. That will show you are serious in the request, and have invested your own time. It also will make it faster for someone else to make an evaluation.
  3. If you particularly want responses from those with certain types of expertise, indicate that. For example, those who have done $$$$ sales, or only those with experience selling .co, or whatever. Making that clear will save your time and that of potential respondents.
  4. Politely thank people in advance for giving help. A friendly tone can help your request be the one people choose to invest time responding to.
  5. Prioritize. Some simultaneously start more than one appraisal threads - see the Account Levels page for how many you are allowed. Even when allowed multiple appraisals, it is perhaps better to decide the one name you most want to have appraised. After you have learned from that appraisal, then pick a second name to list for appraisal, and so on.
The possible downside of #2 is it can, potentially, bias the responder. On the other hand, if you have already checked prior similar sales on NameBio, or number of extensions the name is registered in on DotDB, or how many business/organization names on OpenCorporates have one of the keywords, why not share that objective information instead of expecting each responder to repeat the same research? In most cases don’t go as far as totally providing your own appraisal, however.

Here are some fictitious examples of possible appraisal requests to illustrate the above points.

#1
I just registered this domain name. My thoughts are maybe it could be used in robotics or drones. What other possible uses do you see for this name, please? Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

#2
I have had this domain name for 5 years and have only got one low offer. But when I look at NameBio, it seems to me that Example1.com that sold for $5000 in 2018 and Example2.com that went for $3800 but in 2012 might be close comparators. Do you see those names as comparable in worth? Would you retail price my name mid $$$$, or is that too much or too little? I hope to get responses from as many experienced domainers as possible. Thank you for taking the time, even if you can just briefly respond.

#3
I just acquired this 12 year aged domain name which is not yet listed. There are 450 businesses on OpenCorporates using the second keyword, but only 5 with the first term. I searched NameBio but have trouble finding any close comparator sale. Thanks for any insights on how I should retail price this name. I don’t mind holding it a number of years, so not looking for fast-flip or outbound pricing. Thanks so much!


A Few Alternatives

Here are a few alternatives to appraisal request formats.
  1. While there are downsides in posting a big list of names in one appraisal, since no one will carefully research them all, a moderate length list with a question such as which are the best 5 names on this list, or which 5 should I not renew, might be effective in getting good feedback.
  2. If you are mainly interested in pricing, consider having a poll as part off your appraisal thread. It is easier for many to vote in a poll than to write out an opinion.
  3. Consider ways to make your request so the time to respond is reasonable. For example, if looking for ideas for types of use, why not ask each respondent to give just one idea not yet suggested.
  4. It can sometimes be helpful posing your question as a comparison between two names, for example is the singular or plural better.
Your Appraisal Is The Most Important

Sometimes the constant barrage of social media in modern society can have us fall into the trap of depending too much on the opinions of others. Odds are, you have invested far more time in research on this domain name, considering comparator sales, looking at possible uses, competitive names available for sale or to register, etc. Don’t ignore the views of others, so appraisals definitely have a place, but keep in mind that most appraisers have probably spent only a few minutes considering the name. Also, they, like you, will bring certain biases into the appraisal, based on their own experience and circumstances.

Incentives For Good Appraisals

It takes time to provide a quality appraisal response. Ideally, the person providing the providing the appraisal should include a rationale. In fact, the Official Rules of NamePros require “All appraisals below $10 USD must include a unique and constructive explanation to support the assessment.” Most domain investors are busy with many things. It is not surprising that many requests result in few or no responses.

Some of the above ideas may make it faster and more efficient to respond, but is there something NamePros can do to encourage more excellent appraisal responses? I don’t speak for NamePros, but wondered about the following as possibilities.
  • List the members who have written appraisals obtaining the highest number of Thank votes.
  • Feature the top few appraisals of the week.
  • A badge to indicate consistent proficiency in appraisals.
What other possibilities do you see to recognize and thank those who provide good appraisals? One thing any of us can do is to use the Thank button to acknowledge high quality appraisals.

How Participation In Appraisals Can Help You Become A Better Domainer

While spending time to give a considered appraisal will mainly benefit the person who asked for the appraisal, there can be benefits to the person giving the appraisal as well.
  • It will help you get better appraising your own domain names.
  • Seeing what others have written will give you new insights.
  • Domain names you see seeking appraisals may trigger ideas for related domain names you can acquire.
  • Knowing what other domain investors think can be important if you sell domain names at wholesale prices.
  • Giving quality appraisals is one way to get noticed as a valuable member of the NamePros community, and that may open up other opportunities.
Have Your Say

I hope that many of you will provide your own views on how we can improve the appraisal process here in NamePros.

Also, have you ever had an appraisal response that really made a difference with your success with a domain name. For example, were you encouraged to price a name higher than you had planned, and it sold at that price? Or someone in an appraisal gave you the confidence to keep a name, and it has now sold? If so, please share those anecdotes with us.

Someone suggested after the previous appraisal article that there should be a poll on why people ask for appraisals. I have included the poll with this week’s post, and urge you to vote. Note that you can select more than a single response.

Some like to use expert or crowd-based appraisals more than others. For those who do appreciate human appraisals, the NamePros domain appraisal system is both flexible and valuable.


Special thanks to itssri for suggesting the poll that accompanies this article.
 
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I use godaddy's appraisal tool to see the selling prices of comparable domain names. You don't see some sales in namebio while you do see them in godaddy appraisal.
 
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b) Many names have multiple meanings, or could be used in different industries to the one I originally envisioned it for. Perhaps my outbound efforts in one industry haven't been successful. Sometimes people just want to ask their peers for opinions and ideas. This is a community after all. Isn't that why we're here?

fair
be aware that google / twitter / facebook may give you enough insight
 
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I use godaddy's appraisal tool to see the selling prices of comparable domain names. You don't see some sales in namebio while you do see them in godaddy appraisal.


they don't even quote their own sales correctly
 
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and to be honest spend very little time myself there any more, and almost never list a name for appraisal. I

Hi

lol

so, why you keep hyping appraisals then?
you know the faults, outweigh the benefits, particularly for the group who think they need it the most.

yet, you continue.

still, if you want more out of appraisal section, then allow less.
because sometimes, less is more
then maybe you'll get more quality requests and less BS

that may mean as @johnn alluded to,
imposing restrictions/limits on new members creating and responding to posts there, until they have accumulated X # of posts in other sections of the forum.

moderators should also be actively monitoring threads to reduce spam, solicitation and promotions.

once you create a standard, then the path to professional conformity will be followed.

imo....
 
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You can sell the same name to a small company or individual for $500 or sell to a big company for $500,000
Very true. Also your point that the precise price is only known when, and if, a sale is concluded. Any appraisal, even from the great minds in domain investing, will be imprecise. That does not necessarily mean that appraisals by definition have no value, however, in my opinion. I think there is a lot of merit for those who do give appraisals to carefully consider both of these points you raise. Say the sale to a small business might be at X while a major business might give Y. That implies a valuation range.

Giving the wrong appraisal value may give the owner the wrong impression about the value of a name.
Very true. I agree that ill-considered appraisals can be dangerous, and that people asking for appraisals should view them as just one, of many, things to consider. It was my intention to make that very clear in the article (e.g. in the Your Appraisal... section). If I did not, my apology for lack of clarity on the important point.

Your final point about maybe the need for some qualification who give appraisals, I think should definitely be considered. At the very least, as you suggest, require some minimum time on NamePros. But more specific would be even better.

Thanks for your well expressed points, @johnn - you regularly take the time to offer good advice based on your long experience in domain names.

Bob
 
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so, why you keep hyping appraisals then?
you know the faults, outweigh the benefits, particularly for the group who think they need it the most.
I totally agree wth your point that used poorly there can be faults in appraisals which outweigh benefits.

However, I don't view what I write as hyping, and it concerns me that you view it that way. Not just at NamePros, but on social media, some podcasts, conferences etc., people do appraise domain names. I think in certain circumstances there are valid reasons to seek second (third, fourth, etc.) opinions, and the appraisal section offers that opportunity. Some do use it. Some do value it. No one needs to use it. From those who have voted so far, it seems about 1/3 never use the appraisal section. I don't view pointing out limitations and ways to improve, as hyping something. I am sorry you view it that way.

The same statement about I don't use it much could be applied to many articles. For example, I am pretty sure that I will never own a single character legacy domain name, but thought people would find an article on that interesting. I personally don't own a decent domain hack, but some like them, so I covered that. I hardly invest in .app (I have one), and not at all in decentralized, but they are both topics of interest to portions of the domain community. At the time that I wrote the two .io articles I not only had never owned one but not even seriously searched for one (subsequently I did pick up a few, and now have 4). Many NamePros members do invest in .io though, so an article on it, or even 2, seemed totally appropriate. When I choose what to write for NamePros, I try to be driven by what is of interest to a significant part of the NamePros membership, not my personal interests. Not every article will be of interest to everyone, of course. Sometimes that means I need to do a lot of research. I probably easily spent 80 hr researching .io before I wrote those articles, maybe more. I never write a NamePros Blog post to hype something. I wrote about appraisals because some use them and I think they could be better. I would probably use them more personally if they did get better.

that may mean as @johnn alluded to, imposing restrictions/limits on new members creating and responding to posts there, until they have accumulated X # of posts in other sections of the forum.
I agree. Thanks for stressing that point.

Even though I disagree, partly, thanks for taking the time to express your views.

Bob
 
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I never write a NamePros Blog post to hype something.

Hi

you might believe it,
because you think it's true
but wouldn't change perspective
on this subject.....
even if the bold font color was blue

imo...
 
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By the way I meant to say I totally agree with the following sentiment
because sometimes, less is more then maybe you'll get more quality requests
I think if we had fewer appraisal requests, but what they were seeking from the appraisal was well thought out and expressed, then the service could be more valuable. I was trying to say that in the article. And maybe failed, it seems, for at least one reader. The idea of asking people to think why they wanted an appraisal, who they wanted it from, how they planned to use it, and do their own work before asking for an appraisal, are all, I would argue, in spirit of what you say.
Bob
 
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Thank you for this article, many useful infos as always.

I already been concerned by this topic before:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/make-your-own-domain-name-appraisal.1220860/

Benefit of appraising your own/other domain names?

It's important to gain this knowledge, so that when a domain name is already on the market ... you will be able to negociate it at a small price by giving the seller a solid arguments about the real value of the domain name and the right price to pay for it, and vice versa if you are in the role of seller (A right appraisal, will result with a hugh profits with each sales).

Appraisal means also detecting the value behind a name, especially if you are well informed in a particular niche... otherwhise what is the reason that push us to buy a specific domain name in order to make profits from it? If you buy 10 domains appraised with your own and personal measures and estimation you should make atleast 1 good sale from them if well done or stop and switch to something else.

Thoses who post appraisal requests should also add their own opinions and how much they think their domain worth to engage debat with others.

This what I think about it.
 
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@Bob Hawkes - Having posted on this thread and therefore with it in mind I have today again tried to give 'constructive criticism' on an appraisal thread, I had a couple of minutes so why not try and be helpful.

The thread is here:

Psychologyy.com is it worth $99 ? - NamePros

Unfortunately it seems to have been a couple of minutes wasted of my life.
 
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