information Brent Oxley Loses Access to Create.com, Plus Millions of Dollars Worth of His Domains

James Iles · Mar 4, 2021

Brent Oxley, the founder of HostGator, has been accruing a portfolio of ultra-premium domain names since he sold his hosting company for close to $300 million in 2013.

With purchases such as Give.com for $500,000, Broker.com for $375,000, and Texas.com for $1,007,500, Oxley has spent millions of dollars over the past few years accumulating this collection. According to his website, the portfolio is worth more than $25 million.

Oxley has now, however, lost access to a proportion of his portfolio

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MediaCode · Mar 8, 2021

trelgor said:
I don’t think counsel did a great job either. The judges’ questions were legitimate.

And, one wonders, why did Brent use Oklahoma City lawyers for a court case filed in Houston, Texas??

Chris Hydrick · Mar 8, 2021

MediaCode said:
And, one wonders, why did Brent use Oklahoma City lawyers for a court case filed in Houston, Texas??

Sounds like somebody shoulda called the industries best. the greatest of all time. the closer. Mr. @jberryhill !!

The Rover · Mar 8, 2021

trelgor said:
I don’t think counsel did a great job either. The judges’ questions were legitimate.

Sure, while I agree that the performance of Brent's lawyer kinda sucked, it has to be pointed out that the Judge seemed utterly clueless. Despite that fact, she didn't hesitate to scrutinize the counsel with endless skepticism, while concurrently showing bias for a guy that couldn't even bother showing up on Zoom? All of this is utterly bizarre, from top to bottom.

trelgor · Mar 8, 2021

The Rover said:
Sure, while I agree that the performance of Brent's lawyer kinda sucked, it has to be pointed out that the Judge seemed utterly clueless. Despite that fact, she didn't hesitate to scrutinize the counsel with endless skepticism, while concurrently showing bias for a guy that couldn't even bother showing up on zoom. All of this is utterly bizarre, from top to bottom.

Judges sometimes are clueless about technicalities. It’s normal. That’s why she is asking questions. The counsel needs to explain it so she understands and is able to translate it to law in a way she feels confident about. He didn’t.

The Rover · Mar 8, 2021

trelgor said:
Judges sometimes are clueless about technicalities. It’s normal. That’s why she is asking questions. The counsel needs to explain it so she understands and is able to translate it to law in a way she feels confident about. He didn’t.

How could he when she's intterupting him every 5 seconds? Also, I have to disagree with the "normal" bit. It's unusual for a judge to show bias for someone who didn't even bother showing up.

blogspotter · Mar 8, 2021

alcy said:
looks like we are two done... epik...namecheap..

let's see also @Dynadot plz

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Chris Hydrick · Mar 8, 2021

The Rover said:
How could he when she's intterupting him every 5 seconds? Also, I have to disagree with the "normal" bit. It's unusual for a judge to show bias for someone who didn't even bother showing up.

Probably a smart move for Puneet not to show. He likely would have engaged in a similar pattern of disrespectful language and uncivil behavior for which nPers have grown accsustomed to seeing out of @barybadrinath.

Which begs the question, why didn't Mr. Oxley previously yield to any of the red flags Mr. Argawal was displaying? And how did it ever get this far? Surely, he could have found a better "broker". He has other brokers (I think ones that have even been dubbed the spam brothers by some) So why Mr. Argawal?

Maybe he enjoyed the tenacity of somebody who engages in spam like intrusions and disregards civility enough to never take no for an answer? I think I read somewhere here that Mr. Argawal sent 2,000 emails while working for Mr. Oxley and was cited for harassing the PM or something like that? I mean, after all, if sales is just a numbers game of persistency, Mr. Argawal seems to be able to channel some impressive manic like energy. Maybe good for some aspects of sales, but certainly not all.

dotman · Mar 8, 2021

Finally I read the entire transcript too, Mr Carsey and Brent better to write down whole story together before any court or law assistant get involved ,let everyone understood clearly ,then need to sue someone in India for criminal offense ,also need to submit the complaints with ICA about GD, something wrong here ,GD probably was little lazy and didn't want to get trouble with india market but they will lost their registrants and market in the world even in India , so GD really need to sort it fair and reasonable asap before a single spark becoming a prairie fire ! the fire will hurt every registrars not just GD exactly.

oldtimer · Mar 8, 2021

Grilled said:
Probably a smart move for Puneet not to show. He likely would have displayed a similar pattern of disrespectful language and uncivil behavior for which nPers have grown accsustomed to seeing out of @barybadrinath.

Did you all know that theoretically everyone here at NamePros could be called as a witness.

IMO

alcy · Mar 8, 2021

oldtimer said:
Did you all know that theoretically everyone here at NamePros could be called as a witness.

IMO

via zoom? then I decline. it is not secure enuf.

alcy · Mar 8, 2021

Grilled said:
Probably a smart move for Puneet not to show. He likely would have engaged in a similar pattern of disrespectful language and uncivil behavior for which nPers have grown accsustomed to seeing out of @barybadrinath.

Which begs the question, why didn't Mr. Oxley previously yield to any of the red flags Mr. Argawal was displaying? And how did it ever get this far? Surely, he could have found a better "broker". But maybe he enjoyed the tenacity of somebody who disregarded spam like intrusions and civility. I think I read somewhere here that he sent 2,000 emails on behalf of Mr. Oxley and was cited for harassing the PM or something like that? I mean, after all, if sales is just a numbers game of persistency, Mr. Argawal seems to be able to channel some impressive manic like energy. Maybe good for some aspects of sales, but certainly not all.

does someone actually know his resume as broker.. work he did..or did not do..sales record etc... sorry if I missed it but where or how was he found or hired and on what competences...

I mean at this stage do we more likely assume he has sold big names in past or he has not

The Rover · Mar 8, 2021

oldtimer said:
Did you all know that theoretically everyone here at NamePros could be called as a witness.

IMO

Our court system can barely even discern what's right and wrong, so I doubt it would have the competence to call anyone at this point. The Judge gave the lawyer resistance at every turn, while repeatedly insinuating that Mr. Puneet wasn't really causing Brent too much harm. It really felt like pulling teeth just to get her to grasp that the defendant's actions were harmful. At one point, she literally asked "so you want me to make him stop being an asshole?" That's literally what she decided to whittle all of this down to? Our legal system is hanging by a thread, and has for a while. It would be nice if Judges showed this much skepticism towards people like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, but they're knee deep on the "woke" side, so no dice there.

boker · Mar 8, 2021

anunt said:
First of all, why was Brent even dealing with a guy like Puneet?

I think we are missing a lot more to this story,

I think there is some illegal activity going on where Puneet has insider friends at godaddy to find Brent all these one word domains to buy at discount prices.

So GoDaddy blocked Brent’s names until they get things cleared up.

that’s my guess

@Paul Nicks has replied couple of times here, talking only abot the complain from Puneet, nothing else. You can't lock something just on a suspicion and even if they done that, they should inform the owner what's the reason. You can't do that for one year or for unlimited time just because. From my understanding, Puneet is the kind of guy who sends tens hundreds of emails until somebody replies, so Brent probably was using him to the shitty job finding owners who will sell at the right price.

Chris Hydrick · Mar 8, 2021

alcy said:
via zoom? then I decline. it is not secure enuf.

The legal system can't just stop completely due to COVID. And due to COVID, the remote nature afforded Puneet the opportunity to attend a hearing he otherwise likely couldn't have afforded to attend.

UmerK · Mar 8, 2021

I think we should ask Brent why he ignored all the red flags regarding Mr Agarwal

However, that's secondary and isn't a priority.

I can't see how a big registrar like Godaddy can lock such high value assets due to frivolous complains in an Indian court which is yet to issue an order?

If I understand this whole thing;

Anyone can launch a court complain and that will have domains LOCKED by GD without a court order and until the court settles the case?

This is frightening and I'm having second thoughts about using GD as my core registrar.

I think we should all learn from this and try not to engage in partnerships which aren't defined OR don't have a contract unless you are dealing with people who you know and trust.

branding · Mar 8, 2021

alcy said:
does someone actually know his resume as broker.. work he did..or did not do..sales record etc... sorry if I missed it but where or how was he found or hired and on what competences...

I mean at this stage do we more likely assume he has sold big names in past or he has not

He's been commenting some of his sales in the sales thread recently.

lock · Mar 8, 2021

wrong thread.

Chris Hydrick · Mar 8, 2021

The Rover said:
At one point, she literally asked "so you want me to make him stop being an asshole?" That's literally what she decided to whittle all of this down to?

Sutruk · Mar 8, 2021

From Transcript:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.1785233/gov.uscourts.txsd.1785233.17.0.pdf

THE COURT:...But then let me get to you, Mr. Carsey, because,really, what you're asking for almost seems like you're asking for relief against GoDaddy, not against Mr. Agarwal.
.........
MR. CARSEY:...however, our dispute really isn't with GoDaddy. Our dispute is with Mr. Agarwal.
THE COURT: I know, but are you saying that you want a TRO telling GoDaddy to release the names?
MR. CARSEY: Yes. Yes.
THE COURT: So that is really a temporary restraining order against GoDaddy. It's not against Mr. Agarwal.
MR. CARSEY: Oh, yeah, but he's -- he's -- he's --he's entitled to be notified of this, but, yeah, I've notified GoDaddy, and they're --
THE COURT: I know, but what -- who you're asking me to restrain is GoDaddy from enforcing the provisions of their --of their contract --
MR. CARSEY: Well --
THE COURT: -- and I --
MR. CARSEY: Well --
THE COURT: -- and you don't have a lawsuit against GoDaddy"

-------------------------

Really, no words...I really think it's self explanatory. Wrong case from the very first second.

The Rover · Mar 8, 2021

UmerK said:
If I understand this whole thing;

Anyone can launch a court complain and that will have domains LOCKED by GD without a court order and until the court settles the case?

Possibly. but I'm guessing not likely. It might be a case of Brent being singled out, or it could be a result of enforcing a terrible policy? Either way, I'm guessing we won't find that out until later. But you're correct in that it's utterly bizarre and terrifying. It's so bizarre in fact, that one does have to wonder whether there were other motives involved here. I've raised those concerns previously in this thread and was attacked for it (which is equally bizarre).

UmerK · Mar 8, 2021

The Rover said:
Possibly. but I'm guessing not likely. It might be a case of Brent being singled out, or it could be a result of enforcing a terrible policy. Either way, I'm guessing we won't find that out until later. But you're correct in that it's utterly bizarre and terrifying. It's so bizarre in fact, that one does have to wonder whether there were other motives involved here. I've raised those concerns previously in this thread and was attacked for it (which is equally bizarre).

I think we can come to theories, agendas and relationship of Brent with this guy later.

Our first and form priority as investors should be to push Godaddy to do the right thing and give access to Brent for his domain names.

I have to say I'm sort of jealous that this guy gets to work with or for Brent & Sharjil while I keep outbounding my geos

dotman · Mar 8, 2021

Should against GoDaddy, not against Mr. Agarwal ,no sense to against Mr Agarwal in USA. Also Agarwal haven’t got the ability to lock the domain names .

That is my understanding.

UmerK · Mar 8, 2021

Sutruk said:
From Transcript:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.1785233/gov.uscourts.txsd.1785233.17.0.pdf

THE COURT:...But then let me get to you, Mr. Carsey, because,really, what you're asking for almost seems like you're asking for relief against GoDaddy, not against Mr. Agarwal.
.........
MR. CARSEY:...however, our dispute really isn't with GoDaddy. Our dispute is with Mr. Agarwal.
THE COURT: I know, but are you saying that you want a TRO telling GoDaddy to release the names?
MR. CARSEY: Yes. Yes.
THE COURT: So that is really a temporary restraining order against GoDaddy. It's not against Mr. Agarwal.
MR. CARSEY: Oh, yeah, but he's -- he's -- he's --he's entitled to be notified of this, but, yeah, I've notified GoDaddy, and they're --
THE COURT: I know, but what -- who you're asking me to restrain is GoDaddy from enforcing the provisions of their --of their contract --
MR. CARSEY: Well --
THE COURT: -- and I --
MR. CARSEY: Well --
THE COURT: -- and you don't have a lawsuit against GoDaddy"

-------------------------

Really, no words...I really think it's self explanatory. Wrong case from the very first second.

@create.com needs a better lawyer, I can't see how this one can turn things into his favor.

boker · Mar 8, 2021

blogspotter said:
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I've had issues with them, with some european cctlds, with them locking my domains after expiration, when the respective registry allows transfer for up to 90 days. I needed to contact the registry and they give them 2 hours to comply or removing their right to deal anymore with them.

MediaCode · Mar 8, 2021

Sutruk said:
Really, no words...I really think it's self explanatory. Wrong case from the very first second.

Exactly. Wrong lawyers.

Clearly, GoDaddy has locked Brent's domain names not because Puneet has sued Brent but because Puneet has sued GoDaddy India.

GoDaddy has put a lock on the domains because the registrar has been sued. The registrant doesn't matter.

GoDaddy India needs a judge's court order to tell them to release the locks they've put in place because GoDaddy India was sued by Puneet. The locks are all because GoDaddy India has been sued, not Brent.

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