discuss Are random 4L .com really worth investing renewals?

Akhilesh.Kumar · Feb 28, 2021

Keep aside repeat letters, multiple vowels, pronounceable, known or prompt possible abbreviations etc, if you consider random combination of 4 letter to make a .com, is it really worth?
I mean all 4L are either bought-up from kid to young by paying their school fee (renewals) for 10-15 years or the orphans (drop/expired) are adopted at a high ransom (bid) from an open auction.

The no-meaning, non pronounceable random combination of 4 letters sells for $100-150 in auctions.
I was negotiating one on such auction platform where there was no bid due to high reserve. I threw an under reserve (micro) bid to mark presence. Post auction, the name lost it's esteem and jumped from Burj-Khalifa ($999) to pot hole ($99) and landed in my mail box with a low BIN offer.

And soon flashed in my mind, the name I am referring to is aged since 2005.
Since 2005, the name celebrated 15 birthdays and 15 birthday gifts (renewals) would have been somewhere equal to what the young man (4L.com domain) is earning today.

Saying this, I want to discuss with community/family- the valuable 4L.com including usable abbreviations, fancy combinations, repeat letters etc are valuable (understandably).
Is it true that all non sense (excuse the description. Not intended to insult) 4L.com are renewed and are expected to sell high just because of the fact that there are no free available 4L.com available like all dictionary words.
Or the names are waiting for future when sometime someone may think of a 4 word name for his/her firm and that coincidentally matches the waiting 4L.com for abbreviation.

Logically end user may prefer a decent 2 word name for $50-70 rather a no meaning 4L for $100-150

I am still a leaner and may not see what vintage domineers do. So trying to find out an understanding why is it so. Please do not see the post as sarcasm or challenging. I do not have any (not even 0.00001%) intentions to insult owners of any sort of 4L.com name.

Cheers... !!!

Future Sensors · Feb 28, 2021

Akhilesh.Kumar said:
BTW @Future Sensors Do you have an article or write up about that interesting quote "78% of human domainers will be replaced by robots". If so, I would love to read.

Cheers...!!!

It's my guesstimate

AI will be used, and will create better domains than most of us will ever do on this forum. Maybe these newly created domains will be used by robots, though...

The parties with access to all of our queries will have a huge advantage, like AOL had back in the days. In the future, the largest registries and DNS-over-HTTPS monopolies will have all information. But there are more. Lots and lots of other parties are in the path. Who will eventually monetize all this information in a smart AI way? Maybe I'm just as curious as you.

Akhilesh.Kumar · Feb 28, 2021

CraigD said:
This is an old article, but explains it relatively simply:

Aged domain names: a change in ownership is considered as a new registration in UDRP.

https://onlinedomain.com/2014/01/02...-is-considered-as-a-new-registration-in-udrp/

Thanks a ton. That's short and informative. Got a gist of the story.

theinvestor · Feb 28, 2021

This is a good question and one of the main reasons I pivoted very early on from buying LLLL to buying quality LLLLL that is now worth way more than a random LLLL.

Although I still do own a few LLLL, I didn’t go purchasing random ones just for the sake to try to sell them for 20 years later at a possible loss.

Akhilesh.Kumar · Feb 28, 2021

theinvestor said:
This is a good question and one of the main reasons I pivoted very early on from buying LLLL to buying quality LLLLL that is now worth way more than a random LLLL.

Although I still do own a few LLLL, I didn’t go purchasing random ones just for the sake to try to sell them for 20 years later at a possible loss.

Exactly my point.
Though the difference between me and you is that I am even late for good 5Ls now..

Akhilesh.Kumar · Feb 28, 2021

Future Sensors said:
It's my guesstimate AI will be used, and will create better domains than most of us will ever do on this forum. Maybe these newly created domains will be used by robots, though...

The parties with access to all of our queries will have a huge advantage, like AOL had back in the days. In the future, the largest registries and DNS-over-HTTPS monopolies will have all information. But there are more. Lots and lots of other parties are in the path. Who will eventually monetize all this information in a smart AI way? Maybe I'm just as curious as you.

That is a kicker my friend. Who knows the future. Lets do it now, what we can.
Enjoy your Sunday.

Cheers...!!!

Future Sensors · Feb 28, 2021

Akhilesh.Kumar said:
Exactly my point.
Though the difference between me and you is that I am even late for good 5Ls now..

There are still good opportunities for catchy 5L/6L/7L on droplists. Often these are the domains you see at "brandable" marketplaces. Non-dictionary words. You can catch them for a small amount and keep them.

Learn how to create a good regex and filter by popular patterns. Use metrics to decide what domain has the most potential, based on starting letters of companies, etc.

marijuanadomain · Feb 28, 2021

I bought so many 4L domains years ago at dirt cheap prices at $15 a piece from someone who called themselves to be a domain Expert or Domain Pro or Domain Investor- Domains I got dirt cheap like
gxnx.com.zmmr.com,kvlp.com,llyu.com,mbxy.com,wzwi.com,vhvk.com and now I getting high prices offers...
Squarely.com- I got for just 1K and square is using squarely for their podcast as talking squarely.
So who is laughing all the way to the bank now!!!

-AR- · Feb 28, 2021

I guess it's all about luck as well as the fact that owning a 4 letter .com will have value in the next 5 years simply because it is limited in quantity. Just like 3 letter dot com's are today. Secondly there are a lot of big brands that are increasingly using 4L.com's. Don't forget that the moment you move to 5 and 6 letter domains you are expecting your customers to be more literate too not to misspell the domain and land somewhere else.

I do agree though that some are just pure junk to the untrained eye, my theory is that we should all own some junk to keep the game going, but it's easier said than done.

Reallybigidea.com · Feb 28, 2021

LLLL com is a great investment but otherwise according my research Chinese investors are moved to new gtld english one-words lol.

scrsteven · Mar 1, 2021

Bad letter LLLL.com (like QZJX.com) are net losers if you hold them for passive resale: renewal expenses exceed end user sale income on average. Verisign and ICANN are the only winners.

Akhilesh.Kumar · Mar 1, 2021

marijuanadomain said:
gxnx.com.zmmr.com,kvlp.com,llyu.com,mbxy.com,wzwi.com,vhvk.com and now I getting high prices offers...

Most of those names have a pattern or possible abbreviations.
The most meaningless combination af 4 letters us alive for 15-20 years eating up tons of renewal cost getting sold for less then total of their renewal expenses. That's the point.

-AR- said:
I guess it's all about luck as well as the fact that owning a 4 letter .com will have value in the next 5 years simply because it is limited in quantity

Bingo. That's the reason whatever is available is glittery. Cos rhe quantity is too low.

ReallyBigIdea.com said:
LLLL com is a great investment but otherwise according my research Chinese investors are moved to new gtld english one-words lol.

Don't know anything about chinese taste dear. If they are/were making 4Ls expensive, I may need to read further and develop understanding.

scrsteven said:
Bad letter LLLL.com (like QZJX.com) are net losers if you hold them for passive resale: renewal expenses exceed end user sale income on average. Verisign and ICANN are the only winners.

You forgot Registrars. They make renewal profits, transfer fee, privacy protection bla bla bla.. The world is selfish.

DuDD · Mar 1, 2021

4L
It's still very valuable

Akhilesh.Kumar · Mar 1, 2021

du6262 said:
4L
It's still very valuable

In context to China?
If so why 15 yrs old 4L getting sold for 100 USD,

santis · Mar 3, 2021

I have 3 domains 4L .com (zezd, tugv, ynvo) and holding for 4 years but no inquiries, I think I will liquidate them.

Akhilesh.Kumar · Mar 3, 2021

santis said:
I have 3 domains 4L .com (zezd, tugv, ynvo) and holding for 4 years but no inquiries, I think I will liquidate them.

Good luck.

branding · Mar 3, 2021

It's all about taking a gamble and about liquidity.

Invest some for a short period of time in whatever LLLL, if it doesn't pay off you're certain you can liquidate for at least a break even number within a day may you want/need to (if you bought wisely).

Akhilesh.Kumar · Mar 4, 2021

DirkS said:
It's all about taking a gamble and about liquidity.

Invest some for a short period of time in whatever LLLL, if it doesn't pay off you're certain you can liquidate for at least a break even number within a day may you want/need to (if you bought wisely).

That's true.
It's like no or little risk for Reinvestor if invested for little time.

Haroon Basha · Mar 4, 2021

You already insulted the owners of thousands of 4 letter dot com owners by terming these names as "all non sense 4L.com"

Please avoid sarcastic comments.

branding · Mar 4, 2021

Haroon Basha said:
You already insulted the owners of thousands of 4 letter dot com owners by terming these names as "all non sense 4L.com"

Please avoid sarcastic comments.

How would that be an insult? That's non sense

Akhilesh.Kumar · Mar 4, 2021

Haroon Basha said:
You already insulted the owners of thousands of 4 letter dot com owners by terming these names as "all non sense 4L.com"

Please avoid sarcastic comments.

Hello Mr. Basha,

I respect your seniority and like million others here, you too are a source or learning and information for me. Thank you for being a valuable source.

With due respect, may I request you to read the post again (completely). Or to save your time, here is the thing I need your attention on (copied from my original post) -

Akhilesh.Kumar said:
I am still a leaner and may not see what vintage domineers do. So trying to find out an understanding why is it so. Please do not see the post as sarcasm or challenging. I do not have any (not even 0.00001%) intentions to insult owners of any sort of 4L.com name.

Cheers... !!!

The discussion is about trying to get a sense out of 4L .coms which do not end up in any abbreviations or repeat characters or fancy formations etc.

Everyone else participating in the discussion found it an opportunity to portray their thoughts.
If you found anything inappropriate, please feel free to use the "Report" button.
If not, enjoy your coffee and say Cheers...!!!

Akhilesh.Kumar · Mar 4, 2021

DirkS said:
How would that be an insult? That's non sense

Thanks for your understanding.
Enjoy your day.
Cheers...!!!

branding · Mar 4, 2021

Akhilesh.Kumar said:
Thanks for your understanding.
Enjoy your day.
Cheers...!!!

You're welcome. You worded it decent enough.

I would actually describe some random ones I own as crap, basically not even worth reg fee. Unless someone starts using a weird abbreviation, no brand value in it. The only reason they have value is because LLLL is 'scarce' and in demand.

Akhilesh.Kumar · Mar 4, 2021

DirkS said:
You're welcome. You worded it decent enough.

I would actually describe some random ones I own as crap, basically not even worth reg fee. Unless someone starts using a weird abbreviation, no brand value in it. The only reason they have value is because LLLL is 'scarce' and in demand.

Bingo...!!!

That's my point. If it's not worth reg fee or 10 to 15 years of renewal fee investment, what's the point bidding $100-150 on such combination of 4 random letters?
They are just worth around $100 for the fact they are 4L dot com.

I tried buying some but could not convince myself to invest $100 for one name that doesn't make any sense. Rather I may prefer investing $100 doing hand reg for 15 names that make some sense.
IMO... Once again, not intent to insult anyone..

Cheers...!!!

Duck_Duck_Domain · Mar 6, 2021

Akhilesh.Kumar said:
Keep aside repeat letters, multiple vowels, pronounceable, known or prompt possible abbreviations etc, if you consider random combination of 4 letter to make a .com, is it really worth?
I mean all 4L are either bought-up from kid to young by paying their school fee (renewals) for 10-15 years or the orphans (drop/expired) are adopted at a high ransom (bid) from an open auction.

The no-meaning, non pronounceable random combination of 4 letters sells for $100-150 in auctions.
I was negotiating one on such auction platform where there was no bid due to high reserve. I threw an under reserve (micro) bid to mark presence. Post auction, the name lost it's esteem and jumped from Burj-Khalifa ($999) to pot hole ($99) and landed in my mail box with a low BIN offer.

And soon flashed in my mind, the name I am referring to is aged since 2005.
Since 2005, the name celebrated 15 birthdays and 15 birthday gifts (renewals) would have been somewhere equal to what the young man (4L.com domain) is earning today.

Saying this, I want to discuss with community/family- the valuable 4L.com including usable abbreviations, fancy combinations, repeat letters etc are valuable (understandably).
Is it true that all non sense (excuse the description. Not intended to insult) 4L.com are renewed and are expected to sell high just because of the fact that there are no free available 4L.com available like all dictionary words.
Or the names are waiting for future when sometime someone may think of a 4 word name for his/her firm and that coincidentally matches the waiting 4L.com for abbreviation.

Logically end user may prefer a decent 2 word name for $50-70 rather a no meaning 4L for $100-150

I am still a leaner and may not see what vintage domineers do. So trying to find out an understanding why is it so. Please do not see the post as sarcasm or challenging. I do not have any (not even 0.00001%) intentions to insult owners of any sort of 4L.com name.

Cheers... !!!

Totally agree, very valid point.

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