registrars GoDaddy terminating fast transfer inclusions over Afternic for any of Epik’s customers

NameWell said:

@Hypersot In all fairness, it's not my fault that the seller whose domain name I bought through www.nameliquidate.com decided to keep it after all (to my understanding that's what happened), but Epik is making me to literally pay for it by keeping my money at their Store Credit ...

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I hope the seller got a warning, or is this allowed per TOS?

NameWell said:

@Hypersot In all fairness, it's not my fault that the seller whose domain name I bought through www.nameliquidate.com decided to keep it after all (to my understanding that's what happened), but Epik is making me to literally pay for it by keeping my money at their Store Credit and thus forcing me to keep using their services ...

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You do realise that I was referring ONLY to what happened with Afternic and PayPal, right?

Hypersot said:

You do realise that I was referring ONLY to what happened with Afternic and PayPal, right?

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Of course I do

Future Sensors said:

I hope the seller got a warning, or is this allowed per TOS?

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Agreed. Account banned if truly refused

Hypersot said:

In all fairness, those were not Epik's decisions.

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They were a result of Epik's conduct/actions/behaviour no? I'm not afternic supporter but why doesn't Afternic have the benefit of conducting their business as they see fit just like others here have implied Epik should be able to?

UPDATE: Yesterday Rob Monster PM'd me, looked into this case and the domain name in question was moved to my account (I don't know how they did that) so there is no need for a refund anymore.

But the question itself regarding the refund policy at NL is still open. What would happen in a hypothetical situation where a buyer sees a gem at NL and buys it right away at $998 + $8.49 transfer (Total of $1006,49) and then the seller decides to keep the domain name or something else unrelated to the buyer happens and the sale fails. Where does the money go? To buyer's Epik account In-Store Credit, right? Now the most important question: can the buyer withdraw it (get a real refund) or not?

anantj said:

They were a result of Epik's conduct/actions/behaviour no? I'm not afternic supporter but why doesn't Afternic have the benefit of conducting their business as they see fit just like others here have implied Epik should be able to?

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I agree with everyone's view here. I personally feel epik's plan is to be as fair as possible for all sides while keeping each process of low friction / simplicity .
This is not a black and white industry. Blm and wlm is not logical. ALM. And since they choose to not force strict escrow / proof of ownership for nameliquidate.com domains listed.
In my opinion they are of no fault for ignorant sellers when such circumstances happen.

ecomslice said:

I agree with everyone's view here. I personally feel epik's plan is to be as fair as possible for all sides while keeping each process of low friction / simplicity .
This is not a black and white industry. Blm and wlm is not logical. ALM. And since they choose to not force strict escrow / proof of ownership for nameliquidate.com domains listed.
In my opinion they are of no fault for ignorant sellers when such circumstances happen.

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Makes sense.

NameWell said:

UPDATE: Yesterday Rob Monster PM'd me, looked into this case and the domain name in question was moved to my account (I don't know how they did that) so there is no need for a refund anymore.

But the question itself regarding the refund policy at NL is still open. What would happen in a hypothetical situation where a buyer sees a gem at NL and buys it right away at $998 + $8.49 transfer (Total of $1006,49) and then the seller decides to keep the domain name or something else unrelated to the buyer happens and the sale fails. Where does the money go? To buyer's Epik account In-Store Credit, right? Now the most important question: can they withdraw it (get a real refund) or not?

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In that situation clearly a buyer should have the option to get a refund. It would be unreasonable to be stuck with that much store credit via no fault of your own.

I believe Dynadot offers store credit for renewed expired domains, but you can request an actual refund.

That is the only reasonable policy IMO.

Brad

ecomslice said:

I agree with everyone's view here. I personally feel epik's plan is to be as fair as possible for all sides while keeping each process of low friction / simplicity .
This is not a black and white industry. Blm and wlm is not logical. ALM. And since they choose to not force strict escrow / proof of ownership for nameliquidate.com domains listed.
In my opinion they are of no fault for ignorant sellers when such circumstances happen.

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Um, I'm not talking about Nameliquidate. I'm talking about Epik getting booted by Paypal and Afternic.

Epik support Afternic fast transfer and Sedo MLS now?

elmoney said:

Epik support Afternic fast transfer and Sedo MLS now?

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epik is part of the sedo mls network. i don't think that epik has anything to do with the godaddy network of companies.

cabotower said:

epik is part of the sedo mls network. i don't think that epik has anything to do with the godaddy network of companies.

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Dynadot, Sav, Namecheap, Namesilo NetSol etc support Afternic DLS

elmoney said:

Dynadot, Sav, Namecheap, Namesilo NetSol etc support Afternic DLS

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i always try to register a name with a registrar that is part of both sedo and afternic premium networks.

elmoney said:

Epik support Afternic fast transfer and Sedo MLS now?

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NO!
I used the transfer deal at Epik, then got contacted by a buyer for the domain. Lost the sale because Epik set a 60 day transfer out lock at transfer in.

The buyer is king, and told me not wanting to have anything to do with Epik, so needed to transfer out to another registrar for the sale to happen.

Epik refused to lift the 60 day transfer lock, sale lost.

The quicker I am no longer with Epik, the better. Never again with Epik. They made me loose money, big time.

jd854 said:

NO!
I used the transfer deal at Epik, then got contacted by a buyer for the domain. Lost the sale because Epik set a 60 day transfer out lock at transfer in.

The buyer is king, and told me not wanting to have anything to do with Epik, so needed to transfer out to another registrar for the sale to happen.

Epik refused to lift the 60 day transfer lock, sale lost.

The quicker I am no longer with Epik, the better. Never again with Epik. They made me loose money, big time.

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Fast transfer is not what you mean. It is Afternic FT Network he is referring to.

Regarding the 60 day lock it is applied by ICANN and there is no exception. No registrar can lift the 60day lock.

jd854 said:

NO!
I used the transfer deal at Epik, then got contacted by a buyer for the domain. Lost the sale because Epik set a 60 day transfer out lock at transfer in.

The buyer is king, and told me not wanting to have anything to do with Epik, so needed to transfer out to another registrar for the sale to happen.

Epik refused to lift the 60 day transfer lock, sale lost.

The quicker I am no longer with Epik, the better. Never again with Epik. They made me loose money, big time.

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It sounds more like a hate message than a genuine feedback.

Here are a few reasons imo..

1. You are a new member.

2. You have ZERO trade reviews.

3. Whats the domain name on which you say, you lost the BIG sale? The world wants to know...

4. "I used the transfer deal at Epik" - Its only recently that epik had a transfer deal on .com after a long time. When did you transfer? Also, you can opt out of the transfer lock. Did you change email, phone number, name after transfer?

5. EPIK is one of the most reputed registrars. More than 90% of the people are happy with EPIK except a few (thats normal - you cant please everyone).

Care to explain some for the community to take you seriously..

VaibhavA said:

... Also, you can opt out of the transfer lock. Did you change email, phone number, name after transfer?
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No, you can not, regardless of changing any contact info (which there was not) and regardless of ICANN rules, Epik imposes a 60 days transfer lock upon transferring into Epik.

You try to discredit the messenger instead of checking the message. In doing so you lead people into believing upon transferring into Epik there is no transfer lock because Epik has a nice reputation in the community?

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Without limitation, domain name services may not be transferred within 60 calendar days of initial registration, within 60 calendar days of a transfer, ...
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Registrars may (but are not required to) allow registrants to opt out of the 60-day lock prior to the change of registrant request.
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At the present time, Epik is enforcing this transfer lock.
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It seems Epik has a reputation, leading people would believe they can, but actually can't.

jd854 said:

You try to discredit the messenger instead of checking the message.

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I had no intentions of doing that. If you felt that way or my message sounded like that, then I want to clarify again, I was only trying to get more info as it concerns me too, as I have names on Epik.

So dear, speak up, you have the right to speak and this forum is meant for that reason only.

You did not answer most of my questions. The community would like to know more as most people here have domains on Epik.

Trust me, if I face any such issues with Epik, firstly, I will try and talk to them and if I am not satisfied with their response(except freewill), I will raise my voice on namepros. But, all my issues in the past were resolved by Epik quickly.

jd854 said:

At the present time, Epik is enforcing this transfer lock.

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After reading your reply yesterday, I remembered, I needed to opt in for Sedo fast transfer of 16 domains that I transferred to Epik in June.

So, I went ahead and activated fast transfer of those names on Sedo.

I received a mail from epik with an hour and all 16 domains are now fast transfer activated on Sedo.

If, 60 day transfer lock was enforced on those 16 domains, then I would not have been able to do that.

Hope it clarifies this doubt of yours.

Maybe, it is case to case basis.

So, tell us more about it and if the community finds that your issue is genuine, you will get support here.

This is the "Epik Promo Deals" thread. People like me follow it to get alerts on Epik promotions. This line of conversation belongs more in:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/go...-afternic-for-any-of-epiks-customers.1216491/

blogspotter said:

Regarding the 60 day lock it is applied by ICANN and there is no exception. No registrar can lift the 60day lock.

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Nowadays it is just option (MAY), but not requirement (MUST).
There are many recent threads about this matter.

Epik is not bad, I personally am choosing other registrars, but not because they have any problems aside from Afternic DSL ,
Regardless, they certainly respond faster than most , and have many benefits. So coming from non biased me moving away from them. There is no strong negatives , no one should fear using them.

I confirm that jd854's problem is real. I was selling a batch of names to another user, 1 of them was recently transferred into Epik and when I tried to transfer out I got this message:

Blocked by the date of purchase: 2021-07-XX

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Since I was selling to a domainer I had no problem pushing to the buyer's Epik account. If this was an end user things could've gotten as ugly.

I used to be able to transfer out easily without the transfer-in-lock but that was quite some time ago. It's possible that the terms may have changed starting this month, since VaibhavA was able to activate fast transfer last month; or that the terms are different for those transferred with discounts.

Either way, Epik staff should clarify what's this really about.