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  • Both Parties

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    44.7%
  • Neither Party

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    9.5%
  • Democrats

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    22.2%
  • Republicans

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    23.5%
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You're so stupid, there is not a nice way to say that. They were facing the way they were watching.
“We see what we want to see.”
“Believe what we want to see.”

Psychology. “Come on man.” This (isn't) simple stuff.”
 
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You're so stupid, there is not a nice way to say that. They were facing the way they were watching.

Come on JB... Let these guys keep up their fan fiction charade.

They are clearly military trained experts when it comes to the positioning of troops.

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Mighty Joe already paying off.

Stock market logs best Inauguration Day rise in 36 years as Biden takes office
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/s...n-36-years-as-biden-takes-office-11611177633#

U.S. stocks finish at fresh highs as Biden begins presidency with vow of unity
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-futures-rise-tepidly-on-bidens-inauguration-day-11611146421

Here's how the stock market performed under President Donald Trump, and how it compares to previous administration.
And since election day and up until inauguration day, President Joe Biden saw the sharpest gain on record in the S&P 500 of 12.8%, according to LPL. This compares to Trump's gain of 6.2%, and the previous record holder of John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton, when the S&P 500 surged 8.8% between election day and inauguration day.

Annualized return of the Dow
Obama - 12.1%
Clinton - 15.9%
Trump - 11.8%

https://markets.businessinsider.com...onald-trump-dow-jones-sp500-2021-1-1029987163


Has Joe Biden tweeted about the stock market record yet, demanding credit for it?

I wonder what Trump's reaction is. He has kind of become irrelevant since the internet banned him.

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Biden says Trump left him "very generous" letter

President Joe Biden said his predecessor left him a "very generous letter" before departing office.

Speaking from behind the Resolute Desk, Biden said he would not reveal the contents of the letter out of respect for former President Donald Trump.

"The President wrote a very generous letter," Biden said. "Because it was private I will not talk about it until I talk to him."
 
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I figure it like this .... Democrats have the presidency and the Senate ... so most anything is possible to get passed through now ...So there hardly any excuses for the lack of .. or any actions they take.. so now it is just wait and see ... there are only two opportunities for the Democrats now .... prove that they are the real deal ... or completely flop ... words of things mean nothing .. action is the end result
 
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I was told that DC is keeping 6,000 national guard permanently until further notice
 
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I figure it like this .... Democrats have the presidency and the Senate ... so most anything is possible to get passed through now ...So there hardly any excuses for the lack of .. or any actions they take.. so now it is just wait and see ... there are only two opportunities for the Democrats now .... prove that they are the real deal ... or completely flop ... words of things mean nothing .. action is the end result

I think the Dems winning with a bare majority is the best possible outcome.

It is like a form of split government, but one that can actually bring things to the floor to be debated and voted on.

Mitch McConnell in the past has blocked things that would have easily passed from even getting a debate, never mind a vote.

If the legislation is reasonable it probably has the votes.
If it is too extreme it won't have the votes.

The ball is in the GOP's court. If they want to actually cooperate things will get done.

If they just want to just obstruct and hide behind the filibuster, there is always the option of getting rid of it (which is not my preference).

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“We see what we want to see.”
“Believe what we want to see.”

Psychology. “Come on man.” This (isn't) simple stuff.”

Keep believing that.

You guys are truly hopeless, it's literally on video. Even read the comments to that tweet:

"I think their backs are turned away because they have to watch for incoming dangers."

"Or they’re looking out in the other direction for threats... probably the more likely scenario."

"Oh, please, this is the height of stupidity. When you're guarding someone, you don't look in at them, you look out for potential attackers. It's not difficult to understand.."

"There doing there job, keeping him safe.... From the loonies......."

And.............wait for it...................

It wouldn't come from Biden's car, probably the reporter's pool car.

The sheer stupidity that drops down from the Trump tree. I think you guys saw one of your own in the White House, Trump being one of the OG Birthers.
 
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It wouldn't come from Biden's car, probably the reporter's pool car.

The sheer stupidity that drops down from the Trump tree. I think you guys saw one of your own in the White House, Trump being one of the OG Birthers.

It is obviously not from Biden's car. Did you see how long the motorcade was?
The post was also from 10:32 AM, well before the inauguration even started.

I can assure you if someone inside Biden's car took this video they would be fired instantly, and potentially face further criminal penalties. That would be such a breach of security protocol for the secret service.

It is an out of context video, that a few people grasping at straws want to actually believe means something.

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I figure it like this .... Democrats have the presidency and the Senate ... so most anything is possible to get passed through now ...So there hardly any excuses for the lack of .. or any actions they take.. so now it is just wait and see ... there are only two opportunities for the Democrats now .... prove that they are the real deal ... or completely flop ... words of things mean nothing .. action is the end result

A lot of stuff will still get blocked:

- Some things need votes from two-thirds of senators (67), but the Democrats only have 50. Many of Obama's policies got blocked that way.

- There are Democrats from right-wing places who practically act like Republicans. Joe Manchin from West Virginia was saying earlier that he wouldn't support $1400 stimulus checks, although he apparently softened his stance later. But him and others like that act more like Republicans, and end up blocking progressive policies.

The US system of government is screwed up and gives too much power to rural states. It's ridiculous that small states with less than 1 million people get 2 senators, the same as huge states with 30+ million people.


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I think the Dems winning with a bare majority is the best possible outcome.

It is like a form of split government, but one that can actually bring things to the floor to be debated and voted on.

Mitch McConnell in the past has blocked things that would have easily passed from even getting a debate, never mind a vote.

If the legislation is reasonable it probably has the votes.
If it is too extreme it won't have the votes.

The ball is in the GOP's court. If they want to actually cooperate things will get done.

If they just want to just obstruct and hide behind the filibuster, there is always the option of getting rid of it (which is not my preference).

Brad

I am hoping all work together to solve issues ... not make more of them ... McConnell needs to go either way IMO ... I don’t feel he can truly be trusted by either party .. despite his latest efforts to work with the Democrats .. he is just not trustworthy IMO ... his time has played out ... I hope he works fair and impartial... he will have to prove that
 
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"I think their backs are turned away because they have to watch for incoming dangers."

"Or they’re looking out in the other direction for threats... probably the more likely scenario."

So most of the troops are looking the other way for incoming dangers? You are a funny dude.
 
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A lot of stuff will still get blocked:

- Some things need two-thirds of senators (67), but the Democrats only have 50. Many of Obama's policies got blocked that way.

- There are Democrats from right-wing places who practically act like Republicans. Joe Manchin from West Virginia was saying earlier that he wouldn't support $1400 stimulus checks, although he apparently softened his stance later. But him and others like that act more like Republicans, and end up blocking progressive policies.

The US system of government is screwed up and gives too much power to rural states. It's ridiculous that small states with less than 1 million people get 2 senators, the same as huge states with 30+ million people.


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these are the things we can’t have happening going forward .. we are simply out of time now ... 4 more years of these type of selfish actions will take America down and out IMO ... we are teetering on a fine line right now ..
 
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I am hoping all work together to solve issues ... not make more of them ... McConnell needs to go either way IMO ... I don’t feel he can truly be trusted by either party .. despite his latest efforts to work with the Democrats .. he is just not trustworthy IMO ... his time has played out ... I hope he works fair and impartial... he will have to prove that

Hopefully there can be agreements where both sides "win". It isn't going to work when it becomes a zero sum game.

A lot of this can simply be accomplished by tone. Trump was simply too antagonistic and adversarial. He constantly got in the way of negotiation efforts, like with the stimulus for instance.

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A lot of stuff will still get blocked:

- Some things need votes from two-thirds of senators (67), but the Democrats only have 50. Many of Obama's policies got blocked that way.

- There are Democrats from right-wing places who practically act like Republicans. Joe Manchin from West Virginia was saying earlier that he wouldn't support $1400 stimulus checks, although he apparently softened his stance later. But him and others like that act more like Republicans, and end up blocking progressive policies.

The US system of government is screwed up and gives too much power to rural states. It's ridiculous that small states with less than 1 million people get 2 senators, the same as huge states with 30+ million people.


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The 2 party system is the issue, but I am not sure how to fix it.

If you have 4-5 parties and none of them have an actual majority like in several countries above you would basically be forced to create operating alliances and the results are far more likely to represent the populace.

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The 2 party system is the issue, but I am not sure how to fix it.

If you have 4-5 parties and none of them have an actual majority like in several countries above you would basically be forced to create operating alliances and the results are far more likely to represent the populace.

Brad

Bring back the Whigs. :xf.grin:
 
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The 2 party system is the issue, but I am not sure how to fix it.

If you have 4-5 parties and none of them have an actual majority like in several countries above you would basically be forced to create operating alliances and the results are far more likely to represent the populace.

Brad

That's true, more parties would help a lot.

But I think the "2 senators per state" thing would still be a big problem... it allows small rural states to act as roadblocks.

I think the senate should be reformulated based on some consideration of both population and land size.

But right now, there's North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming with 2.3 million people... and they have 6 senators. But then there are states like California with 40 million people, and only 2 senators.
 
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And the US system has changed over time:
I was amazed when I read that early on, the Vice President was the guy who got the 2nd highest number of votes... which is kind of crazy, because he can then do stuff to thwart the President.

So I think reformulating the senate is pretty reasonable. The US population distribution today is a lot different than it was 200+ years ago.

I know it probably is a pipedream though, because Republicans will block any attempt of that, but I think it would help a lot.

Campaign finance reform is another big problem too, and Republicans also block that. Most major problems have their roots in what the Republican do/support.
 
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That's true, more parties would help a lot.

But I think the "2 senators per state" thing would still be a big problem... it allows small rural states to act as roadblocks.

I think the senate should be reformulated based on some consideration of both population and land size.

But right now, there's North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming with 2.3 million people... and they have 6 senators. But then there are states like California with 40 million people, and only 2 senators.

Well, the Senate was designed to represent the small states, but in fairness at the time you did not have population gaps like today. You didn't have 40M in one state and 600,000 in another...

You also didn't have near as many states.

Still, let's set the Senate aside. The House, which is 100% designed to be representative of the population of states is wildly out of line now.

https://www.thegreenpapers.com/Census10/FedRep.phtml

As you can see on the right side, the "People per house seat" varies wildly by state.

On top of that gerrymandering of districts has not helped. It has lead to results that often don't reflect the will of the voters, and leads to extremely low quality candidates, think of people in the current crop like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Lauren Boebert.

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Cool story. I look forward to them presenting their "evidence" in court. :)

Honestly, people are over this baseless voter fraud bullshit. This stuff was thrown out in every court from the lowest to the Supreme Court.

Trump was unpopular. Joe Biden got more votes. He is now president.

We are moving on. You can keep clinging to your voter fraud delusions if you want.

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‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/technology/proud-boys-trump.html

I think Trump is going to become irrelevant a lot quicker than people realize. He has no real outlet now without the bully pulpit or social media. Also, being a loser is not popular, especially a sore loser.

It seems like many of his supporters are finally coming to the realization that they were lied to and mislead.

All the people who stormed the capitol, believing on his orders, now are left facing potentially very serious criminal charges.

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