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Underestimating the Challenges of Avoiding a Ghastly Future


" Humanity is causing a rapid loss of biodiversity and, with it, Earth's ability to support complex life. But the mainstream is having difficulty grasping the magnitude of this loss, despite the steady erosion of the fabric of human civilization "


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Just a thought:

With all the things that are going on right now that are occupying everyone's mind I am worried that the problems with the Environment are going to be neglected at the time that it's of great importance and urgency to take the right actions before this Planet goes past the point of no return.

Before the Pandemic and all these political and racial upheavals came around I felt that we were making some headways in creating awareness amongst the general population as at that time it seemed like the Global Warming and the Environmental issues were the main focal points at the United Nations, but now it seems like they have been pushed to the back burner for the time being.

Although there is currently some talks about reviving the Paris Accord Agreement, but in all honesty the time for having more conferences and giving more speeches has long past and now we have arrived at the point that taking immediate and concrete actions at the large scale is the only thing that can save this Good Old Earth.


GoodOldEarth.com / .org

GoodOleEarth.com/ .org


I recently registered these domains for bringing more attention back to the Environment and our Home Planet, which one you all think is better the one with "Old" or "Ole".

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oldtimer said:

Just a thought:

With all the things that are going on right now that are occupying everyone's mind I am worried that the problems with the Environment are going to be neglected at the time that it's of great importance and urgency to take the right actions before this Planet goes past the point of no return.

Before the Pandemic and all these political and racial upheavals came around I felt that we were making some headways in creating awareness amongst the general population as at that time it seemed like the Global Warming and the Environmental issues were the main focal point at the United Nations, but now it seems like they have been pushed to the back burner for the time being.

Although there is currently some talks about reviving the Paris Accord Agreement, but in all honesty the time for having more conferences and giving more speeches has long past and now we have arrived at the point that taking immediate and concrete actions at the large scale is the only thing that can save this Good Old Earth of ours.


GoodOldEarth.com / .org

GoodOleEarth.com/ .org


I recently registered these domains for bringing more attention back to the Environment and our Home Planet, which one you all think is better the one with "Old" or "Ole".

IMO

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I agree, the pandemic has been a major distraction, people are more concerned about personal safety at the moment. However, there may be a silver lining to follow: straying from the business as usual model. At least that is my hope.

GoodOldEarth (.org) is better IMO.

When you get set up (together with any concerned domainers), we can exchange backlinks to this webpage:

ProjectBluePlanet.com (under construction)

Cheers

I have been wondering about how it is that we collectively as the Human Race with all our intelligence and knowhow seem not to be able to fully address and fix the many major problems and issues that the Humanity and our Home Planet are currently facing.

Whether it's the Pandemic, Global Warming, and all the Environmental Damage, or the issues with AI, Automation, and nano, genetic, and quantum engineering, or the political, religious, racial, and economical upheavals and turmoils that we have recently been experiencing or whether it's how we plan for all the natural and manmade disasters that could adversely affect the World it seems that the common denominator between the way that all these problems and issues are being addressed and handled right now is the fact that there is not enough cooperation, communication, planning, and preparedness at the Global level.

So far we have been spending a lot of time and energy talking about all these problems and issues, but unless if we can find an effective method of problem solving that can be applied across the board here we are going to waste even more time and energy on speeches and conferences going forward.

What happens when there are problems at a factory or large companies and organisations. I am sure that there is a systematic method that those problems are addressed and solved, so if we thought of this Planet as a big factory with the Human Race as its workers perhaps we could apply the same systematic methods to fix the problems and issues that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing.

So in short it might be best stop wasting so much time and energy talking about each individual problem or issue and try working on finding a systematic method that can address and fix all the problems and issues that the Humanity and our Home Planet are facing at the same time.

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I have been so busy the last few months that I kind of had forgotten about the Environment,

Well just kidding,

How can one forget about the Environment, it's all around us and it is now effecting every aspect of our lives.

I am somewhat encouraged by the fact that fossil fuels are being condemned by the majority of the members in the ongoing climate conference,

But as long as everyone in the conference goes back to thier multimillion dollar mansions with the same old mindsets and continues with the same wasteful and excessive lifestyles and habits that have caused all these environmental problems in the first place then I honestly don't see how we can put a dent in the climate warming problem.

The answer to our present environmental problems is to change the mindsets, behaviors, habits, and the lifestyles that have caused all these problems in the first place.

And in addition to curbing fossil fuels this also requires that we all learn how to live a simpler and less wasteful life.

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@oldtimer I love your passion on such issues

Outside of the Amazon issue, I'd like to see a $10k fine for every piece of litter dropped. See how that works out

The politicisation is all by design. All of this stuff was all in the plan and is just a way to usher in more controls and a world government.

Once again all of the moronic trolls have come down on the wrong side of the argument, not necessarily in this thread, but when you're "arguing" for the same things that the ruling classes, big corps, universities, news outlets, main stream TV outlets are parroting all day long as their flavour of the month there's nothing you're fighting against. You've just been convinced by people with an agenda to go along with it hook line and sinker.

Tldr: Same opinions as McDonalds?... Rethink your opinions.

Enjoy.

jhm said:

@oldtimer I love your passion on such issues

Outside of the Amazon issue, I'd like to see a $10k fine for every piece of litter dropped. See how that works out

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On the surface giving people a fine for littering might sound logical, but even if everyone disposes of their trash properly all that trash is still going to end up in the landfills which is a problem by itself.

The better thing for us all to do is to produce less trash to begin with and that requires that we change some of our habits and lifestyles that contribute to creating so much trash everyday.

Equally important to limiting the amount of trash that each one of us is producing is to also find a way to limit our footprint in the Environment when it comes to how much resources, materials, and energy each one of us is using.

And for that reason I believe that people should not be allowed to build bigger houses than what they actually need to live in or to own too many cars, planes, and yachts no matter how rich and famous they are.

In another words being rich and famous should not automatically give anyone a license to have a bigger footprint when it comes to how much a person owns, consumes, or wastes.

Nevertheless regardless of our financial or social status we ALL need to learn to live a simpler and less wasteful life if we want to see any meaningful improvements in the situation with the Environment. I hope that all the participants in the conference remember that when they go back home because they need to set the right example for everyone else to follow.

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It appears that the Climate has become the great equalizer.

No more dancing around the issues with the Environment for the developed countries.

We can no longer allow certain people to live in excesses and have a bigger footprint in the Environment than they should while trying to limit those who live in the undeveloped and underdeveloped countries from having a basic standard of life.

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Wonderful. So what do you propose to do about it?

HotKey said:

Wonderful. So what do you propose to do about it?

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My thoughts on how to deal with the Environmental and all the other Political, Religious, Racial, Economical, and Technological problems that are facing us are scattered across the many threads and comments that I have made here on this forum over the past few years.

Hopefully if my health allows I am going to develop one of my domain names below to put all my thoughts and ideas in one place:

RemakingHumanity.com

GlobalReform.com

If I happen to get killed by the forces of the status quo that have been trying to sabotage and silence my voice then I guess you have to go and find all my threads and comments here on NamePros to get an idea of what I am proposing.

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Yes domain names will definitely solve the world's environmental issues. Not.

3rd world countries are trying to find food and water, 1st world countries are trying to understand why "getting their panties in bunch" offends them, while they tear down historical statues, whilst they race to the nearest fast food joint in their gas-guzzling vehicles as if there's a woman (oops wait is not woman anymore maybe it's "her" or "it") on board about to give birth.

There won't be a blanket mindset on this issue because everyone's life is a different circumstance where what is beneficial to one may not be to the other. A "footprint" by the rich or by large companies shouldn't undermined, because they do have a larger footprint whether it be by rooftop square footage or waste output. We just need to do what we can within our limits to our lifestyle. IMO.

The real issue at hand is over-population and catering to the wants of consumerism for profit.

HotKey said:

There won't be a blanket mindset on this issue because everyone's life is a different circumstance where what is beneficial to one may not be to the other.

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Even with all the differences in our ideologies, beliefs, interests, and agendas I am sure that the majority of the people around the world agree that our Home Planet and the future of our species is now at risk.

As to what could be done to save ourselves and our Home planet we have to accept the fact that the problems with the Environment can not be solved in isolation from all the other problems that we are facing.

We have to fix the big picture and this requires that we change Humanity at its core.

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So lets look at the elephant in the room which is the people who use up 10 , 100 , or even 1000 times the amount of energy, resources, and materials than they should.

As soon as someone becomes rich or famous they buy or even worse they build the biggest mansion that they can afford.

In most cases 10, 20, or even 50 rooms in those mansions stay empty even though those all are kept fully furnished and are made warm in the winter and cold in the summer which makes a lot of energy and resources go to waste needlessly year after year.

Those who live in these mansions often times own multiple cars, planes, and yachts which also use up the earth's resources and pollute the Environment.

In my opinion it should be made illegal for anyone to leave a bigger footprint on the Environment than is justified.

Those who live in those big mansions in this time and age with all the problems that we are facing with the Environment should know that they are committing a crime against nature and our Home Planet.

As I have already said before regardless of our financial or social status we All need to learn how to live a simpler and less wasteful life if we want to save our future.

We have a choice, we can continue living as animals, and yes we can be rich and famous and live in the nicest mansions and gather the nicest things around us and wear the nicest clothes and still be considered to be an animal, or we can live like a higher being that cares about Humanity and the Environment which includes all the other natural and artificial lifeforms and entities on Earth and beyond.

But the truth of the matter is that the destiny and future of the World can not be left in the hands of a bunch of animals that want to kill each other by the millions and who have almost destroyed their own Home Planet.

One thing is for sure as ultimately the way of Logic and Compassion is going to win over the animalistic and evil ways that the World is being run right now, but unless we all wake up soon the World might pass the point of no return and then even if everyone decides to do the right thing, but it will be too late to save ourselves.

So stop worshipping the rich and the famous as idols as they are going to sink this ship and everyone else along with it by insisting on continuing with their old ways and setting the wrong examples for the rest of the people to follow specifically when it comes to the younger generations that are much more vulnerable to their influence.

And finally for the record I must say that I don't hate anyone and that my comments here are not derived from any political, religious, racial, or economical affiliations or loyalties since as a Human Rights and Environmental activist and intellectual my first priority is to create awareness around the issues and problems that are facing us and our Home Planet before we pass the point of no return and that requires that I sometimes be very blunt and unforgiving in my assessment of the critical situation that we are in. Unfortunately as always there are some people in the establishment that are too quick to want to throw me under the bus for telling the truth, but I am hoping that they will evolve out of the animalistic state of mind that they are in and be able to see the light soon.

The way of Logic and Compassion is our path to salvation.

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The best thing that we can do to save the Environment is to stop living our lives as an animal and become a higher entity that thinks Logically and has Compassion when it comes to dealing with all the problems that are facing the Humanity and the World.

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So the question is when are WE All going to stop living like animals and start caring about the Humanity and the Environment.

What is it going to take for everyone to wake up and start seeing the critical situation that the World is in.

When are we going to accept the fact that time is of an essence right now and that we can't afford to be ignorant or make any mistakes.

When are we going to realize that continuing doing business as usual is no longer an option.

As intelligent and peaceful beings that we claim to be are we going to rise up to the situation and prove that we can be a Force For Good or are we going to ignore the truth and continue on this path of self destruction.

There is no more room for dancing around these issues and ignoring our responsibilities as every minute that goes by the World is getting closer to the point of no return.

Discrediting or killing me as a Human Rights and Environmental activist and intellectual is not going to make these questions go away. We have arrived at the point that our whole existence and our whole way of life is going to be challenged and put to the test (if not by me then by a logical and Compassionate AI that is capable of independent thought and Judgment).

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Some pods require fire to regenerate. Everything living also dies.

lock said:

Some pods require fire to regenerate.

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We as humans apparently need War to thrive and we consume other animals in order to survive, but as intelligent beings that we have evolved into eventually we have to learn how to conquer the negative aspects of how the World and everything in it has been molded to become over millions of years by the brute natural forces that have been out of our control so far, perhaps AI can help us create a more peaceful Environment for all the natural and artificial lifeforms once it's fully functional.

lock said:

Everything living also dies.

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Perhaps our subconscious and our soul can continue to exist in the Metaverse as our brains are linked up to the Cloud.

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oldtimer said:

We as humans apparently need War to thrive and we consume other animals in order to survive, but as intelligent beings that we have evolved into eventually we have to learn how to conquer the negative aspects of how the World and everything in it has been molded to become over millions of years by the brute natural forces that have been out of our control so far, perhaps AI can help us create a more peaceful Environment for all the natural and artificial lifeforms once it's fully functional.



Perhaps our subconscious and our soul can continue to exist in the Metaverse as our brains are linked up to the Cloud.

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Humans don't need war to thrive, but the military has become embedded in culture, prioritized, politicized, ritualized and glorified (in some countries more than others)...and I don't see the military machine losing traction any time soon.

If war is what humans need, then perhaps a new definition and/or shift in perception might help reshape our attitude toward the environment. We are not at war with the environment, but rather the elements that would destroy it. The environment is not the enemy (ie. the Amazon rainforest did not burn itself).

The Metaverse is a logical extension of Internet growth, but it will not increase our intelligence, common sense, nor compassion. Rather, it will likely become a place to escape and 'get away' rather than deal with problems in the real world, IMO.

Cannuck said:

Humans don't need war to thrive, but the military has become embedded in culture, prioritized, politicized, ritualized and glorified (in some countries more than others)...and I don't see the military machine losing traction any time soon.

If war is what humans need, then perhaps a new definition and/or shift in perception might help reshape our attitude toward the environment. We are not at war with the environment, but rather the elements that would destroy it. The environment is not the enemy (ie. the Amazon rainforest did not burn itself).

The Metaverse is a logical extension of Internet growth, but it will not increase our intelligence, common sense, nor compassion. Rather, it will likely become a place to escape and 'get away' rather than deal with problems in the real world, IMO.

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You can't separate the Military from the rest of the Humanity. It's all one package and we each play a role in how things operate and unfold both in the Social and the Environmental aspect of things. And yes we are and have been at War both amongst ourselves and with the Environment for a long time now.

As I have already mentioned we can't solve the problems with the Environment in isolation from all the other problems that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing. We have to look at the big picture because all our problems are connected together somehow.

The best way to deal with this situation is to have a two track mind and approach. Like for example while we appreciate what the Military is doing to protect us, but we also have to think about how we can put an end to all the hostilities and Wars for good.

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oldtimer said:

You can't separate the Military from the rest of the Humanity. It's all one package and we each play a role in how things operate and unfold both in the Social and the Environmental aspect of things. And yes we are and have been at War both amongst ourselves and with the Environment for a long time now.

As I have already mentioned we can't solve the problems with the Environment in isolation from all the other problems that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing. We have to look at the big picture because all our problems are connected together somehow.

The best way to deal with this situation is to have a two track mind and approach. Like for example while we appreciate what the Military is doing to protect us, but we also have to think about how we can put an end to all the hostilities and Wars for good.

IMO

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When 'might' is right, there will be very little international accountability in terms of global climate change. Some nations have claimed sovereign immunity from international treaties, or their leaders refuse to co-operate entirely.

For instance, the US military pollutes more than 100 countries combined! I'm not saying the military is not important, but doesn't the cost of freedom go far beyond the 705 billion dollar per year budget? Should they not be held accountable for environmental impact and eco-footprint like businesses and consumers?

Cannuck said:

When 'might' is right, there will be very little international accountability in terms of global climate change. Some nations have claimed sovereign immunity from international treaties, or their leaders refuse to co-operate entirely.

For instance, the US military pollutes more than 100 countries combined! I'm not saying the military is not important, but doesn't the cost of freedom go far beyond the 705 billion dollar per year budget? Should they not be held accountable for environmental impact and eco-footprint like businesses and consumers?

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I cannot speak on behalf of any one country in the World since I am more focused on the Humanity and the Environment as a whole.

But the way that the World is right now since there are strong forces that want to undermine the freedom and lives of others then it sounds reasonable for people to want to have a strong military to protect them against those forces. As to who the good guys and the bad guys are I guess that depends on each person's preservative. I personally believe that Humanity as a whole needs to ascend out of the animalistic and to some extent evil existence that we all have come to accept as being the norm. And that's why that I have been saying all along that we need to start a new Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that are derived through Logic and Compassion and that can make it possible for all lifeforms and entities whether natural or artificial to be able to live a safe, peaceful, productive, righteous, healthy, and happy life.

That might sound a little idealistic, but the truth of the matter is that if we as the intelligent beings that we claim to be cannot ascend to a higher level of existence and thinking then it's not going to take a genius to realize where the Humanity and our Home Planet are going to be headed to.

We need to stop pointing fingers at one another as everyone is guilty in one way or another when it comes to failing to accept responsibly for the future of the Humanity and our Home Planet.

At this time the best thing that we can do is to try to find some common grounds amongst us over finding the Logical and Compassionate path that can take us out of the mess that we all as the human race have created thus far.

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oldtimer said:

I cannot speak on behalf of any one country in the World since I am more focused on the Humanity and the Environment as a whole.

But the way that the World is right now since there are strong forces that want to undermine the freedom and lives of others then it sounds reasonable for people to want to have a strong military to protect them against those forces. As to who the good guys and the bad guys are I guess that depends ...

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Being a citizen of the world, one still cannot ignore the elephant in the room. US maintains a global military presence while China remains primarily focused on security issues within the Indo-Pacific. Still, there are some who would undermine the freedom and lives of others, but that can also be said of economic forces by increasing national debt, selling the future.

By simple comparison: USA spent $778, 232 million in 2020, while China spent $252,304 million.


Really, how much protection does one really need when one can get shot on the street?

The two largest economies MUST take responsibility for being in that position and take the leadership role, not merely backbenchers in the envrionmental theatre, IMO.

Cannuck said:

The two largest economies MUST take responsibility for being in that position and take the leadership role, not merely backbenchers in the envrionmental theatre, IMO.

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There is no way that we can fix the problems with the Environment without remaking the Humanity and starting a new Era that is based on a whole new kind of mindset, behavior, and attitude.

That's why I am more focused on the Humanity as a whole because without fixing the big picture we are pretty much wasting our time takling about the Environment.

People have been coming up with all kinds of research and graphs in the climate conferences for the past 50 years, but as I have already said the problems with the Environment cannot be fixed in isolation from all the orher problems that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing.

Everything is connected together and we need to start worrying about the big picture if we are going to have any chances of saving ourselves and the Environment.

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oldtimer said:

There is no way that we can fix the problems with the Environment without remaking the Humanity and starting a new Era that is based on a whole new kind of mindset, behavior, and attitude.

That's why I am more focused on the Humanity as a whole because without fixing the big picture we are pretty much wasting our time takling about the Environment.

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Capitalism is not the culprit, it's the fantasy we've been sold by the lobbyists. Difficult to change a mindset, especially when one becomes conditioned to an unsustainable standard of living.

"Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, and the last stream poisoned, will we realize we cannot eat money." ― Cree Indian Prophecy

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